Which XenForo 2 Theme/Themes do you all prefer?

[Jason76]

https://xenforo.com/community/resources/categories/styles-2-x.45/

I prefer Minty (Doh Theme) on the top as one. Nonetheless, Melody (Doh Theme), Pad (Doh Theme) isn't so bad either. Anyway, I like pretty much all their themes. Well, actually, I like about all themes on there by anyone. Nonetheless, I want to narrow it down to what I think fits best with what I'm doing.

https://brivium.com/xenforo-2-styles/

 

[Carlos X]

https://xenforo.com/community/resources/categories/styles-2-x.45/

I prefer Minty (Doh Theme) on the top as one. Nonetheless, Melody (Doh Theme), Pad (Doh Theme) isn't so bad either. Anyway, I like pretty much all their themes. Well, actually, I like about all themes on there by anyone. Nonetheless, I want to narrow it down to what I think fits best with what I'm doing.

What kind of skin do you want? The best skins are by PixelExit, Audentio/ThemeHouse, and Artodia, but Artodia is currently hard at work on the XF2 skins, so there isn't many available.

https://brivium.com/xenforo-2-styles/

Stay, far. far. far. far. FAR away from anything Brivium. Any ties with them, chuck them out. There's a reason why this thread exists on xenForo. They created backdoors to your xenForo community, even without your explicit consent. This meant that they could hack your site any time they wanted to. This is the very reason why I imported my site into a brand new database, to break free of their plugins or backdoors.

Stay. Far. Away. From. Brivium.

I mean it: AWAY.

More investigation leads me to a thread accusing DohTheme of stealing themes and modifying them, I also found accusations of them running nulled XF. The person showed off his licenses, and said that he was in partnership with TreeTheme, soo... If you think it's similar, that's why.

Anyhoo: I'd rather do business with theme designers who have a strong presence within the xenForo community.

 

[Azareal]

They created backdoors to your xenForo community, even without your explicit consent.

Pretty stupid too, why create a backdoor when you can get people to happily use one-click updaters which they will click through without bothering to look at the code.

And I doubt skimming credit cards is even that profitable, especially with the risks of getting caught.

 

[Carlos X]

And I doubt skimming credit cards is even that profitable, especially with the risks of getting caught.

I'm not talking about that. I'm saying that Brivium created a backdoor in any skin or plugin, to allow database access without the need for a password. Meaning, Brivium could steal your admin password, access your ACP, do whatever they wanted.

They created backdoors to your xenForo community, even without your explicit consent.

Pretty stupid too, why create a backdoor when you can get people to happily use one-click updaters which they will click through without bothering to look at the code.

You would be surprised. Some skinners or coders in the days of vBulletin's rise to prominence did this in case you didn't finish your payment for the skins, but Brivium instead hacked a few sites. A lot of people were complaining on the xenForo community site. It was embarrassing. That's how that thread came about.

There were instances where the user of the skin couldn't use the ACP, or access any part of the site until the owner paid for the skin, or whatever excuse Brivium wanted to make. I forget, but rest assured, their reputation was/is awful.

 

[Jason76]

You would be surprised. Some skinners or coders in the days of vBulletin's rise to prominence did this in case you didn't finish your payment for the skins, but Brivium instead hacked a few sites. A lot of people were complaining on the xenForo community site. It was embarrassing. That's how that thread came about.

There were instances where the user of the skin couldn't use the ACP, or access any part of the site until the owner paid for the skin, or whatever excuse Brivium wanted to make. I forget, but rest assured, their reputation was/is awful.

So is Brivium a Russian company? 😀

More investigation leads me to a thread accusing DohTheme of stealing themes and modifying them, I also found accusations of them running nulled XF. The person showed off his licenses, and said that he was in partnership with TreeTheme, soo... If you think it's similar, that's why.

Anyhoo: I'd rather do business with theme designers who have a strong presence within the xenForo community.

Well, it gets tough to be original I think. I mean, looking at another industry, music, a line here or there will sound like another artist.

 

[Carlos X]

You would be surprised. Some skinners or coders in the days of vBulletin's rise to prominence did this in case you didn't finish your payment for the skins, but Brivium instead hacked a few sites. A lot of people were complaining on the xenForo community site. It was embarrassing. That's how that thread came about.

There were instances where the user of the skin couldn't use the ACP, or access any part of the site until the owner paid for the skin, or whatever excuse Brivium wanted to make. I forget, but rest assured, their reputation was/is awful.

So is Brivium a Russian company? 😀

Eh. More like an Asian company. There's a plugin called "VietXF" which tips me off that they're an asian company.

And, yes, I know you're trying to be funny. 😀

 

[Azareal]

I'll take a quick look at their site with Tor, just so I don't get a virus or something.

https://brivium.com/xenforo-add-ons/
Lol, they're so cute, they think a mere points plugin is worth $50, that's like an hour's work.

I also found accusations of them running nulled XF.

XF is seriously overpriced. Like Adobe, to be honest.
So, I wouldn't be surprised. Plus, the developers make millions.

There were instances where the user of the skin couldn't use the ACP, or access any part of the site until the owner paid for the skin, or whatever excuse Brivium wanted to make. I forget, but rest assured, their reputation was/is awful.

I'm surprised no one tried pressing charges.

 

[Azareal]

Aha, it's a fluff plugin. They added ten dials and knobs and extra superfluous features no one ever uses to make it look more valuable than it actually is.

Let's bump up the amount of work by another hour then.
This is why people from other software laugh at XenForo with these sorts of ludicrously priced plugins, but then again, if Brivium is persona non grata then, meh.

And I particularly like how you have to buy all of Brivium's plugins again for XF2.

 

[Jason76]

Eh. More like an Asian company. There's a plugin called "VietXF" which tips me off that they're an asian company.

Russian agents left over from the Cold War.

 

[Carlos X]

XF is seriously overpriced. Like Adobe, to be honest.

Nah. xenForo is $140 and that's cheap to me.
Unlike IPS or vBulletin whom wants you to buy it for exorbitant prices.

So, I wouldn't be surprised. Plus, the developers make millions.

127,725 Members x $140 = 17,881,500. (XF)
357,642 Members x $120 = 42,917,040. (Pre-IB acquisition)
357,642 Members x $249 = 89,052,858. (vB5 Base/After Acquisition) divde that by 50% today.
357,642 Members x $400 = 143 Million. (vB5 Suite/After Acquisition) divide that by 50% today.
437,807 Members x $200 = 87 Million. (IPB/IPS Base)
437,807 Members x $625 = 273 Million. (IPB/IPS With everything selected)

Mmmmh. Not really.

Numbers are different because xenForo is in U.K, and vBulletin used to be in U.K. But IB and IPS puts xenForo at a price advantage.

I'm surprised no one tried pressing charges.

That's what happens when you are a customer from U.S. and they operate from Vietnam. *sigh*

 

[Azareal]

Nah. xenForo is $140 and that's cheap to me.
Unlike IPS or vBulletin whom wants you to buy it for exorbitant prices.

127,725 Members x $140 = 17,881,500. (XF)
357,642 Members x $120 = 42,917,040. (Pre-IB acquisition)
357,642 Members x $249 = 89,052,858. (vB5 Base/After Acquisition) divde that by 50% today.
357,642 Members x $400 = 143 Million. (vB5 Suite/After Acquisition) divide that by 50% today.
437,807 Members x $200 = 87 Million. (IPB/IPS Base)
437,807 Members x $625 = 273 Million. (IPB/IPS With everything selected)

Mmmmh. Not really.

Numbers are different because xenForo is in U.K, and vBulletin used to be in U.K. But IB puts xenForo to shame.

That's what happens when you are a customer from U.S. and they operate from Vietnam. *sigh*

XF has like two developers, who also happen to be the founders, hence making them essentially free and practically no staff.
IPB has like 30 team members, plus many of their sites will likely be on renewal pricing.

Plus, $17 million is more than enough to get a few mansions and a couple of expensive cars.
And I'm supposed to feel pity that people are pirating their software? Meh lol

 

[Carlos X]

And I'm supposed to feel pity that people are pirating their software? Meh lol

We get it. We know you hate xenForo. You love your own forum software.

 

[Jason76]

More investigation leads me to a thread accusing DohTheme of stealing themes and modifying them, I also found accusations of them running nulled XF.

Making originals is tough. How can you make it original? Also, how do we know ThemeHouse or Pixel Edit is truly original?

 

[Carlos X]

Making originals is tough. How can you make it original? Also, how do we know ThemeHouse or Pixel Edit is truly original?

When you actually customize them? Yeah, that. Russ is a stand-up guy. I doubt he's that evil. Same goes for the guys at Audentio, thing is though, Brivium is making skin designers and coders look bad. Which is idiotic.

 

[Azareal]

We get it. We know you hate xenForo. You love your own forum software.

MyBB > XenForo.

 

[Azareal]

Okay, let's drop all pretence of face here.

XenForo has been a turd for years. It's had a small subset of functionality in contrast to the other players and only rose up because of the publicity from the lawsuit, which in the end, they made a mountain of money off the users jumping on them anyway.

And every plugin costs like $40. Every theme costs like $50. And it's mocked by countless people for generally being underpowered while presenting a nice big mountains of costs.

Oh sorry, is that incovienient for me to say? Don't test me, Carlos.
I played nice by not poking right into the fundamental issues, but you just had to poke the beehive.

If MyBB would just pull their fingers out, it would be immediately superior in every category, but well, you know how slow open source can be.

 

[Jason76]

A problem with XenForo is if you have many domains, you can upgrade software on all of them, even if you have only one upgrade. However, I think that's against their rules - but unenforceable unless someone rats on you.

 

[Azareal]

A problem with XenForo is if you have many domains, you can upgrade software on all of them, even if you have only one upgrade. However, I think that's against their rules - but unenforceable unless someone rats on you.

That's really the same as the piracy issue, to be honest.
Nothing stops someone downloading a nulled copy other than honour.

At the end of the day, you have to trust that people will stick to their side of the bargain to some extent.

 

[Jason76]

A problem with XenForo is if you have many domains, you can upgrade software on all of them, even if you have only one upgrade. However, I think that's against their rules - but unenforceable unless someone rats on you.

That's really the same as the piracy issue, to be honest.

They need to fix that problem via the software because, as I was saying, it's not enforceable - and people are immoral about pirated stuff these days - I think.

 

[Azareal]

They need to fix that problem via the software because, as I was saying, it's not enforceable - and people are immoral about pirated stuff these days - I think.

You can probably fingerprint copies to figure out which user leaked a nulled copy, but it goes back to the old debate about piracy, the one where piracy can be free publicity, especially if someone wouldn't have any intention of buying it otherwise.

Plus, if you've already bought it, then what's the chances of you suddenly deciding to short change them for a far smaller amount of money. And you can't go too far with software, otherwise you wind up like Brivium.

One problem with XenForo I should mention, and is why the Brivium issue is amusing with how people are mad about him pirating the thing (I know he did far worse things too) is that developers are making the XenForo Platform more attractive for admins by developing plugins for it, and then, XenForo also wants them to pay their tithe via all the license fees, etc.