I would call the police very quickly if I had time... if not, I would ask someone else to do it. One way or another, I would fight them off no matter how many attackers were there, 1 or 100. Maybe that's crazy, but I'd still do it. Gender of the victim doesn't apply.
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Saruman said:
We're not like the states we dont have guns. If someone came into our house with a gun intending to kill someone they would succeed. But if they had a knife they may have to fight, i would ring the police as they are rather quick.
A friend of mine(who at the time was a stranger) was being attacked by 2 guys at my neighborhood. When I saw them I tackled one of the guys and the other one went running. Thanks to my intervention the neighborhood cop was able to arrest the one I tackled. the other one was later caught trying to rob a local store
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You're not defending yourself by drawing a firearm on a fight.Saruman said:
That's not self defense, that's vigilante justice.
...I'm walking home with my girlfriend from the movies, and its 1:30 in the morning, we make a detour and take a side road behind a strip mall to save us some time.
About midway through the shortcut there is some man running towards us shouting, "Your Dead Man" "Come Here!"
Now its almost totally pitch black and no one else is around.
I have very few options.
And only seconds to asess, and react to the situation...
1. Run
However, If we turn our back on him, and he has a firearm, then we're possibly dead.
2. "Assume" he doesn't have a firearm ~rolleyes~ , and having a martial arts background, attempt to stand my ground.
However, "assuming" is different than knowing, he very well could be armed.
3. Draw my firearm, shout a warning.
If he stops, have my girlfriend run back where we came from, while I caustiously walk backwards, eyeing the suspect at gun point at all times, until I come to a corner, then make my escape to cover.
4. Draw my farearm, shout a warning.
If he doesn't stop, place a horizontal line of 9mm's across his chest.
When he drops, I'd caustiously walk backwards, eyeing the suspect at gun point at all times, until I come to a corner, then make my escape to cover.
If you drop him, and foolishly walk up to him, to "find a weapon" , "call the cops" , etc...
You run the risk of being questioned the whole night, etc...
So if the situation is put to a stop, I would just get out of there, there's no use in hanging around some dead guy who attempted to kill me and my girlfriend.
And I have no obligation and no benefitial use to hang around anways.
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That, is Self Defense.
~wink~
About midway through the shortcut there is some man running towards us shouting, "Your Dead Man" "Come Here!"
Now its almost totally pitch black and no one else is around.
I have very few options.
And only seconds to asess, and react to the situation...
1. Run
However, If we turn our back on him, and he has a firearm, then we're possibly dead.
2. "Assume" he doesn't have a firearm ~rolleyes~ , and having a martial arts background, attempt to stand my ground.
However, "assuming" is different than knowing, he very well could be armed.
3. Draw my firearm, shout a warning.
If he stops, have my girlfriend run back where we came from, while I caustiously walk backwards, eyeing the suspect at gun point at all times, until I come to a corner, then make my escape to cover.
4. Draw my farearm, shout a warning.
If he doesn't stop, place a horizontal line of 9mm's across his chest.
When he drops, I'd caustiously walk backwards, eyeing the suspect at gun point at all times, until I come to a corner, then make my escape to cover.
If you drop him, and foolishly walk up to him, to "find a weapon" , "call the cops" , etc...
You run the risk of being questioned the whole night, etc...
So if the situation is put to a stop, I would just get out of there, there's no use in hanging around some dead guy who attempted to kill me and my girlfriend.
And I have no obligation and no benefitial use to hang around anways.
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That, is Self Defense.
~wink~
Now just look at Switzerland, everyone is required to have a weapon at their homes and are required to practice shooting at least once a year. Now in Switzerland violent crime are virtually unheard of. For some reason I think those 2 are somehow connected.
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Are you kidding me? http://www.spiegel.de/international/eur ... 45,00.htmlbookie said:
Saurman, this is exactly why America looks so idiotic in the eyes of the rest of the world. Unless your a police officer, then you shouldn't be walking around with a gun. You don't need it, if you have such a background in martial arts why don't you use them to your advantage rather than killing someone in the name of security.
And frankly I am appalled by your strategy of leaving a dead person you just shot multiple times sitting there. That is blatant MURDER and one of the most despicable things I've ever heard. The law wouldn't come down on your side at all, and by leaving the scene, they will eventually find you somehow and you'll rot in jail for 20 years on murder charges.
Saruman said:
No that is murder. There is something (here anyways) called reasonable force.
I mean its sort of stupid but it fits in with what you have said. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2000/apr/2 ... n.ukcrime3
Van1lla ™ said:
Killing, and murdering are two different actions.
A burgaler, thug like I described above, or any taliban agent are all terrorists.
They terrorize.
In the above scenario, I felt terrorized for my life and the life of my girlfriend, so I chose to use not only justifiable, but reasonable force.
Deadly or otherwise...
What is the difference between a soldier killing a terroist overseas, and me killing one in my house, or one running up to me in the middle of the night threating me with as far as I know, a locked and loaded .45?
Tell me what you would do in the above scenario, or any of you for that matter.
"...oh I'll just sit on the ground and call the police and hope they show up before the bad guy gets to me..." ~rolleyes~
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I can't speak for britain, but over here in the u.s. the law is so screwed up, you'd get life for insulting some idiot down the street...
And we have this current administration in office now, trying to ban the purchase of fire arms, thinking...
Sweet jesus!!! the bad guys already have the guns, now you want to take them away from us law abiding citizens, so now we are un armed in the face of life threating situations.
Give me a break, I dispise politicians down to the foundation, they serve nothing but themselves.
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Plus if I ever had to use deadly force in the face of a life threating situation, I would tell no one.
...No need to,
If it were the situation I describe earilier, I'd just leave with my girlfriend and we'd just go back home.
If it were in my house, it'd be alittle more messy, but that is what a shovel and backyard is for.
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I'm curious as to how many of you are trained in firearms?
Own ccw's?
Have ever had a life threatening situation?
Have ever been burgelraized?
If you were there what did you do?
Describe to me what you would do in the above situation I mentioned a few posts up, and one involving a thug in your house in the middle of the night.
I'm curious... ~rolleyes~
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Oh and one more thing,
Both of my sisters are armed, and carry with them, even our youngest, and this incident involved our youngest...
Maybe a couple months ago or so, my sister was alone at my dads, I think it was like 2 in the morning or whatever, but anyways, she was on the computer.
We all have ccw's, so defending our personal selves is no problem, even for my sisters.
So anyways...she was on the computer, and she owns a .45 Taurus Night Court Judge, the one with the .45/.410 combination chamber.
So she was on the pc, which is right in front of the front door, and heard someone trying to kick it open, etc...
We always have at least one firearm with each of us.
She happened to have the tarus with her loaded with the home defense, .410 shot rounds.
So when she heard someone trying to break in, she said she was calm and ran to mid way up the stairs on a little landing with a small wall overlooking the downstairs.
The landing has a 3in piece of slate on the stair side of the short wall there. for a mini barrier for this exact situation.
So anyways, she ran to the landing there, locked the hammer, and aimed for a body shot at the front door.
She then said whoever was out side, stopped, or was spotted by someone else, cause she saw a shadow on the outside of the window run off to the right.
She didn't call the cops, but instead went back on the computer and did whatever she was doing.
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Now what would of happened, if she wasn't armed, and the burgalar did break in, and was armed?
~rolleyes~
Their is a difference between Gun related deaths and Violent Crimes my friend. Most these death are either an accident or a sucessful suicide attempt. If you are to research the rate of crimes and violent crimes in Switzerland you will find that they barely have any. If you are to research more into them you will find that most the violent crimes that do happen are committed by foreigners.
Now I do disagree with saruman on one part and that is walking away from the body. If the police find the body they will probably assume that you attacked the victim and since most bullets leave a mark from the gun they will be able to track you and arrest you. In this situation it will be reduced to manslaughter.
I agree with Saruman on one part, our law is kind of messed up. I do believe in rights but I also believe that the guilty need to get locked up. If its obvious that someone is guilty it should not matter if the evidence was 'illegally taken.' That is why lots of time people who are acquitted usually commit a crime again. The fact is that a lot of time the guilty walk away.
Another thing I agree with saruman is that in a life or death situation sometimes you cant just call the police and hope they arrive just in time. A gun can easily severly injure or kill someone in a quick second, what happens if the police station is 10 minutes away from your location.
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Let me make it clear that the current administration isn't trying to ban the sale of firearms and such outragous thoughts are unprovoked and ridiculous.
I believe everyone has a right to bare arms*, I own a pistol myself ( I've been learning to use it since I was seven years old from my Uncle who is a federal agent ) and now I keep it for myself. Do I walk around with it? No I don't. I keep it in my home, even when I become 21 and will have the right to get a carry permit I would never walk around with it. That's asking for trouble right there.
*Arms as in a pistol/shotgun, not an assault rifle or RPG's, and it needs to be regulated who can own a gun, and honestly - your sister seems like a great candidate and I'm glad she had such a weapon to defend herself with, and I'm personally happy to hear she had it in that instance of trouble she was in that night.
I will say that the chance of a petty burglar having a gun is slim to none, and just pointing the weapon on the fellow will stop him.
You, my friend don't seem like such a good candidate if your idea of defending yourself is walking around with a gun being Mr. Big stuff and shooting someone in alley then leaving and not even answering to the authorities, is outrageous, and I'd be seriously concerned if I knew you in real life.
I believe everyone has a right to bare arms*, I own a pistol myself ( I've been learning to use it since I was seven years old from my Uncle who is a federal agent ) and now I keep it for myself. Do I walk around with it? No I don't. I keep it in my home, even when I become 21 and will have the right to get a carry permit I would never walk around with it. That's asking for trouble right there.
*Arms as in a pistol/shotgun, not an assault rifle or RPG's, and it needs to be regulated who can own a gun, and honestly - your sister seems like a great candidate and I'm glad she had such a weapon to defend herself with, and I'm personally happy to hear she had it in that instance of trouble she was in that night.
I will say that the chance of a petty burglar having a gun is slim to none, and just pointing the weapon on the fellow will stop him.
You, my friend don't seem like such a good candidate if your idea of defending yourself is walking around with a gun being Mr. Big stuff and shooting someone in alley then leaving and not even answering to the authorities, is outrageous, and I'd be seriously concerned if I knew you in real life.
heylookjorge
New Arrival
If the situation was one which I could diffuse on my own I would step in. If not, I would contact the police
Depends whats happening. If the person had a gun or knife (or any weapon of that nature), then I'd have to put my own safety first. I'd call the police and try and find help.
However, if it was something like a mugging or "punching fight" then I would definitely step in.
However, if it was something like a mugging or "punching fight" then I would definitely step in.
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A mugging, yes I would step in..Romanite™ said:
If it's just two guys roughing it out in a bar or something just leave em be...
Glorfindel
Acquaintance
I'd go after the guy. I don't care if there are 15 big guys, even if they had weapons, I would not just stand by and let anybody get beat up, not while I can help them.
Yes, you need to be able to have weapons to defend yourself. But do you need an AK47 to defend aganst a robber?
I get what you're saying. But almost all of the people that have killed dozens of people, these people bought the weapons legaly.
Yes, you need to be able to have weapons to defend yourself. But do you need an AK47 to defend aganst a robber?
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See, that's why Assault Rifles need to be banned.
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