Abortion

Cosmic said:
Why? It isn't her's. *pulls out race card* Are you suggesting that slavery is valid because, just like an unborn child belongs to a mother, a black man can belong to a white man? :lol: Last I checked, people were their own property, particularly when it comes to the right to prolong their existence.

And if I ate a baby it would be in MY BODY. MY F***ING BODY. The government should get it's DAMN HANDS off of MY BODY.
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It IS the woman's until the baby is born. How many times do you have to be told this?
 
Honestly this topic should just be closed. Those who oppose abortion have not brought up any valid points other than stupid references about how eating a baby would be equal to abortion.

I'll say it one more time. THE FETUS IN THE MOTHER'S BODY IS NOT THE SAME THING AS YOU JUST WALKING UP AND EATING A BABY. You are being god damn ridiculous because you can't come up with anything else. Just admit it.
 
And those who support have yet to prove anything that shows that a fetus is anything but a human. It has human DNA, not monkey or armadillo DNA.

And I was referring to eating a fetus, not a baby.
 
Kirisute Gomen said:
And those who support have yet to prove anything that shows that a fetus is anything but a human. It has human DNA, not monkey or armadillo DNA.
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That's not even what Irviding and I are arguing. We know it's human DNA. The issue is whether or not a woman has the right to terminate her pregnancy. Please, at least research your talking points. You clearly have minimal knowledge on the subject, let alone any sort of debating skills.
 
Justin M said:
Kirisute Gomen said:
And those who support have yet to prove anything that shows that a fetus is anything but a human. It has human DNA, not monkey or armadillo DNA.
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That's not even what Irviding and I are arguing. We know it's human DNA.
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Really? So would you say abortion is killing a living human?
The issue is whether or not a woman has the right to terminate her pregnancy.
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In other words, kill a human.

Please, at least research your talking points. You clearly have minimal knowledge on the subject, let alone any sort of debating skills.
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I have. I've actually extracted my own DNA, and have it in a vile in my room. I know that the DNA in there is the same DNA I had when I was a fetus. While I'm not an Ob/Gyn, I highly doubt you are either. And the latter statement is completely false, I've carried on an extensive debate with Irviding for multiple pages. You come in here and think that just because you have more people supporting your side that you are automatically smarter/better/cooler than pro-lifers.

Examples of people with "[no] sort of debating skills":
carolynK said:
You are a joke like I said earlier! As the other member said, you are resorting to straw man arguments. I went through reading some pages here, and the amount of people on this site who have a brain in their head seems to be a very low number! Maybe 1 out of 5 posters support abortion on this site!! INSANE!!! First let me ask Irviding. He seems to support abortion and argue, but Irviding, why did you say you think it's wrong for a woman to get an Abortion for herself after 6 months? It's not your body, it's my body! The government can't tell me what I can do with something in my body until it's out of my womb. Still attached via umbilical cord?? You are such an idiot and you are so unable to come up with anything else, so you try to attack anyone who is against you by pulling crazy ideas out of your head in order to discredit them!!! Of course after it leaves the womb it cannot be aborted when it is attached via umbilical cord! Get a brain in your head!
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As shown above, the weak parts are:
a) THE SHOUTING
b) the argument that I don't have a brain (every human has a brain :lol: )
c) calling others idiots. While I may not support other people's viewpoints on here, I don't call them idiots just for that. I call them idiots if they show some other form of idiocracy.
d) Saying that a lack of supporters for her said view is wrong ("INSANE!!" to be exact). It's "INSANE!!" that there are very few, if any, whites in the NAACP. INSANE!!!!

I can debate as much as you want on such topics, in fact I've spent 1-2 hours debating former teachers about certain things. While I may not have that much time online I can surely provide a reasonable, at worst, debate outlining my view.
 
My problem is that you guys continue to bring up how you would eat a fetus and that would qualify as something my argument supports. The simple thing is it doesn't. If a woman chooses to abort her fetus, a part of her body, she should be able to. How the hell does that even remotely give you the right to eat a fetus? To swallow a USB drive with incriminating evidence? You use the argument "it's in your body". However, to get those things into your body, you'd have to carry out an unnatural process in order to get them into there (eat a flash drive, eat a fetus((which would have to be removed from a woman in a non fully developed stage before you could eat said fetus)). A fetus within a woman is a totally natural process that each human woman is meant to carry out.
 
With my first child i was advised to have a abortion as there was some thing wrong with him but i had heard his heart beat and i told the doctors no why, he was born on Christmas eve and he was alive
he only lived 12 hours and even today 30 years later i am glad i had him
would i do it again yes i would
i could never have a abortion
in the case of rape i agree to abortion but when a teenager gets pregnant then no
if she does not want a child there is always adoption as there is many woman can`t have kids would love to adopt a unwanted child
this is just my view
 
fiona1964 said:
With my first child i was advised to have a abortion as there was some thing wrong with him but i had heard his heart beat and i told the doctors no why, he was born on Christmas eve and he was alive
he only lived 12 hours and even today 30 years later i am glad i had him
would i do it again yes i would
i could never have a abortion
in the case of rape i agree to abortion but when a teenager gets pregnant then no
if she does not want a child there is always adoption as there is many woman can`t have kids would love to adopt a unwanted child
this is just my view
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Why in the case of rape only? No one seems to want to answer my statements regarding the whole "rape only" cases. That is not a feasible stance. It's either support it for all cases, or support it for no cases.
 
I'm pro-choice. Who are you to take away that option from someone? It's not your life that the choice will affect. If you think it's wrong, fine. Don't do it. But let each woman decide for herself what is right for her.

I know I'm not contributing to the argument. I was just throwing out my opinion. Carry on. ^^
 
I'll let my mother decide which one of her children to shoot in the backyard as well. Don't take away that option from her. It's not your life that will affect. If you think murder is wrong, don't do it. But let others decide who they wish to murder, and how. Personally, I'd like to get murdered by having my legs chopped off, my kidneys ripped out, and eventually die of internal bleeding.

As you can see above, your arguement that you stated can be easily paralleled to murder of an already born human.
 
Kirisute Gomen said:
I'll let my mother decide which one of her children to shoot in the backyard as well. Don't take away that option from her. It's not your life that will affect. If you think murder is wrong, don't do it. But let others decide who they wish to murder, and how. Personally, I'd like to get murdered by having my legs chopped off, my kidneys ripped out, and eventually die of internal bleeding.

As you can see above, your arguement that you stated can be easily paralleled to murder of an already born human.
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Aborting an unborn fetus and wantonly killing your born child are two entirely different things. Why do you think they're even comparable?
 
I believe they are the same thing.

The arguement the user above mine provided was applicable to born humans as well. Thus, a weak argument.
 
obama hates santa said:
I don't know if anyone heard but I found it interesting that this high ranking catholic nun endorsed abortion in cases of the mother's life being at risk.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities ... h-reform/1

Apparently the Archbishop of San Fransisco said she's wrong though.
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Learn to read Danny! Like I tell you all the time, you need to read something other than the NY times. The lady was condemned by every other church official that was involved in this. It's not as big of a step ahead as this stupid paper makes it out to be!
 
Regardless of when life begins, at conception, the potential for life is there in a foetus. If nature takes its course, a child will be born, a child that has the right to life. Taking this right to life before a child is born is the same as taking it after the child is born.

If the mother's life is at risk, it's a different issue, as the mother has a right to life too; I would support abortion in this case.
 
ItsZippy said:
Regardless of when life begins, at conception, the potential for life is there in a foetus. If nature takes its course, a child will be born, a child that has the right to life. Taking this right to life before a child is born is the same as taking it after the child is born.

If the mother's life is at risk, it's a different issue, as the mother has a right to life too; I would support abortion in this case.
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Alright, so you'd rather abortions be performed via coat hanger and baseball bats in an alley, killing the mother, and the fetus?
 
OBAMA said:
ItsZippy said:
Regardless of when life begins, at conception, the potential for life is there in a foetus. If nature takes its course, a child will be born, a child that has the right to life. Taking this right to life before a child is born is the same as taking it after the child is born.

If the mother's life is at risk, it's a different issue, as the mother has a right to life too; I would support abortion in this case.
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Alright, so you'd rather abortions be performed via coat hanger and baseball bats in an alley, killing the mother, and the fetus?
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No, I believe Zippy is saying he thinks it should only be legal in cases of the mother's life being at risk.
 
A mother having (or not having) an abortion could largely impact the world. Hitlers mommy was going to have abortion, but her doctor talked her out of it. Regardless of whether it was a good impact or not, it was still an impact none the less.

The person that the mother is choosing to kill for whatever reason could be the next president (or the next Zodiac killer, but lets look at the bright side of things).

I really don't see any reason for abortion unless both the mother and baby will be killed through the delivery -

Teen getting pregnant and not ready - It's her fault for spreading her legs; I see no reason for a baby having to be killed because she isn't ready for something she got herself into. She could either grow up really fast or give it up for adoption/foster care.
A woman being raped - yes, it could serve as a constant reminder of what happened to the woman, but it's not the baby who raped her. Like I said above, if she doesn't want it then give it to adoption/foster care. Being one of those children who came into foster care/adoption when I was little, I can say that it's not a bad program and they only give to approved, nice families.

Just my opinion though.
 
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