Abortion

[Watch Me Sink]

WARNING VERY GRAPHIC POST BELOW, KIDS UNDER THE AGE OF 13 SHOULD NOT READ. Also I will debate with anybody here if they wish.

I am extremely pro-life. I have read stories online of all types of people who have faced problems like these. I have done a great deal of "research" of personal stories from both pro-life and "pro-choice".
My opinion is that when the sperm hits the egg, it's a human. Within a few weeks (12 I believe), all body systems are working, and the baby can feel pain. It's a human, it just needs help developing, to become self sufficent.

I also have listened to a podcast after the murder of a late term abortion provider. The podcaster put abortion in the way of the difference if the baby is in the vagina, or out of it. It is perfectly legal in the United States to slaughter a baby while it is still in the vagina. If the baby comes out and a "doctor" were to rip the baby's head off (which is exactly what happens in an abortion), the "doctor" would be arrested and be thrown in jail instantly. Or if after a birth a "doctor" were to pull out a semi-automatic and shoot the baby. The "doctor" would spend the rest of his life in prison.

I've read stories about men who have begged and pleaded with women not to get abortions, and one guy spent hours crying infront of a clinic, praying for the baby. Fact is, USA laws give the "choice" to women and women only. I think (currently) the men should have a good amount of input in what happens. Unfortunately men can't carry a baby, so the law gives the "choice" only to women.

In cases of rape, I think abortion is still wrong, but is more of an acceptable reason. It may be a painful 9 months (and I think the government should assist a women during those 9 months), but I think adoption is the best option in this case. There is a pro-life speaker that travels the US, who's biological father is a rapist. Her mother endured 9 months knowing that her daughter was 50% (chromosomal) from a rapist. There are tons of couples that can't have a baby, and I'm sure they wouldn't mind adopting a baby that was "unwanted".

Another question for you pro-"choice"ers; what if you were aborted? If YOUR biological father was a rapist.

4,000 babies died today, just 500 less than the number of American soldiers killed in action since 2002.

 

[Talk Horror]

I agree.
Abortion to me is only okay, if the child were to die, or the mother.

 

[TigTrivers]

Another question for you pro-"choice"ers; what if you were aborted? If YOUR biological father was a rapist.

Well if we were aborted we would have absolutely no idea that we were aborted

ANd the only way we would know if our father was a rapistis if we were told by our mother..........but what if your mother was the rapist , and even if your father was a rapist what does that change

I'm neither for nor against abortion I am more for abortion then against it though.....You cant remember from when you were born till about 2 so its like you never existed then right? So in that case what does it matter if you are aborted

You will have no idea you were killed so you wouldnt feel pain you wouldnt have known life all you would have known is death and accepted it so why would you be against abortion

Waht if the baby wanted to be killled in the first place and you saved the baby that wouldnt be very nice would it

Now with debates like this I just ramble so I'm sorry but I think Imake some good points and I'd like to see anyones response

 

[cityStatic]

Okay, for all the debaters here-

Would you have liked it if you were aborted (assuming you believe in the afterlife)? I thought not. It's better to have the baby and put it through adoption rather than killing it. Let me get this straight- it's okay to kill a fetus, but it's wrong to kill a different living human? When the sperm cell hits the egg, is it not a human? It's a goddamn living being, and we should treat him/her as if he/she were any other living being, despite the fact that the baby hasn't been born yet. In no way, shape, or form should killing be justified. It's like taking a newborn out onto your driveway and rolling over its head many times. Is that legal? If not (which it isn't), why is ABORTION OF ALL THINGS LEGAL? Once again, 9 months of pain is better than killing a human being.

 

[Watch Me Sink]

Nvm..

 

[Dasher]

In my view, it's not fair when one person dictates whether one can or cannot have a baby.

I believe that ultimately it is the choice of the mother, so bogus laws being formed to dictate to her what her morals should be, are unnecessary, and simply a desecration in proper family planning.

First of all, whether a fetus is a living being with rights, is completely irrelevant because for 9 months, it is essentially a parasite. It relies on the mother as a host, and its life is literally her's to decide. It's her body.

I also really hate the idea that women want abortions to escape some sort of responsibility, or because they did not use protection, that they do not deserve the right to choose. The only thing that should matter is whether the woman wants to develop and raise a child.

Here's my input:
Well, if she would've been wearing protection the baby- egg per say, would've died anyways. It would've went out with the rest of the eggs on her period.

 

[Dasher]

I don't believe it's right for a woman to just go off, get pregnant for no reason and with a guy she never knew, and then just say "Ugh, I'm too lazy to consider myself as a responsible mother, so I'll just trash this baby." It's not right. Abortion should be illegal unless a woman is forcibly raped; if she is raped, then that means that the child is not hers, and that she was defenseless against the man responsible for her rape.

Do you really think they say " I'm too lazy to have this baby, so I'm going to trash it "? You gotta be kidding me.

Now, on the other hand I feel that everyone should have the right to live their life. Admittedly, the child wouldn't actually know their growth was being aborted, however I still see it as depriving a human being from physically being able to live their life, so is that not murder in a sense?

Now that I think about it. Abortion is depriving that baby of it's inalienable rights. We all have the rights to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

 

[cityStatic]

Well, if she would've been wearing protection the baby- egg per say, would've died anyways.

That statement is incorrect. The only way that a living human can come out of a woman's egg is if it were fertilized by a sperm cell, which cannot usually be transfered from male to female while the male is wearing protection.

 

[Shawn Gossman]

I think abortion is wrong... But if the mother is going to die, I think she should make her choice and be fine. Also if a young girl was raped and doesnt want to have the baby, then people shouldnt make her go through such a horrible thing, especially those at a young age, it could destroy their lives...

Its just such a touchy topic...

But I don't understand the prochoice thing... just sounds like political correct people trying to make a nicer way of saying killing babies LOL

 

[katy perry is hot]

I think abortion is wrong... But if the mother is going to die, I think she should make her choice and be fine. Also if a young girl was raped and doesnt want to have the baby, then people shouldnt make her go through such a horrible thing, especially those at a young age, it could destroy their lives...

Its just such a touchy topic...

But I don't understand the prochoice thing... just sounds like political correct people trying to make a nicer way of saying killing babies lol

You're not killing a baby. You're killing a lump of cells that are in a womans uterus. It's that simple. Like someone said before, everyone is entitled to their unalienable rights to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. How is a 16 year old getting their rights to liberty and pursuit of happiness when she can't have control over her body? How is a baby born to a mother with no money and no way to support it getting its right to pursuit of happiness? It's not. Chances are that baby will float through foster care and have an awful life anyway.

 

[Watch Me Sink]

At one point do you consider whatever is in a woman's uterus a baby? Or is a Tiller style abortion (third trimester) just a lump of cells?

Do you have any idea how hard it is for a couple to get an adoption? In many cases it is over a year that a couple has to wait to get a child.

But if a woman's right to "happiness" infringes a baby's right to live, the baby should be able to pursue life.

 

[katy perry is hot]

At one point do you consider whatever is in a woman's uterus a baby? Or is a Tiller style abortion (third trimester) just a lump of cells?

Do you have any idea how hard it is for a couple to get an adoption? In many cases it is over a year that a couple has to wait to get a child.

But if a woman's right to "happiness" infringes a baby's right to live, the baby should be able to pursue life.

I don't agree with Tiller style abortions. There are some women who do, but as a man, I support an unfettered right to choose for up to 6 months.

That's exactly my point. Adopted children don't grow up the same as a child raised by their biological parents... one of my old friends was adopted ( I don't really talk to him anymore ) and he always said that he was always curious as to why his biological parents didn't want him.
The fact of the matter is that the " adoption over abortion " solution is absolutely ludicrous. Face it, these babies sit in the system floating around between shitty foster homes for a good part of their childhood. What way to live is that? How would you feel if you were sitting in a foster home at age 11 because you're biological mom couldn't get an abortion when she couldn't provide for you.

 

[Uphoreka]

Abortion is okay in certain points. What if a woman got raped by a pervert? You do not want a baby who's father is a rapist....

 

[Gimgak]

Another question for you pro-"choice"ers; what if you were aborted? If YOUR biological father was a rapist.

Well if we were aborted we would have absolutely no idea that we were aborted

ANd the only way we would know if our father was a rapistis if we were told by our mother..........but what if your mother was the rapist , and even if your father was a rapist what does that change

I'm neither for nor against abortion I am more for abortion then against it though.....You cant remember from when you were born till about 2 so its like you never existed then right? So in that case what does it matter if you are aborted

You will have no idea you were killed so you wouldnt feel pain you wouldnt have known life all you would have known is death and accepted it so why would you be against abortion

Waht if the baby wanted to be killled in the first place and you saved the baby that wouldnt be very nice would it

Now with debates like this I just ramble so I'm sorry but I think Imake some good points and I'd like to see anyones response

So after reading this I come to the conclusion that since people with Altzheimers can't remember things it's like they never existed and it wouldn't matter if we killed them or not.

Waht if the baby wanted to be killled in the first place and you saved the baby that wouldnt be very nice would it

Wait, that means all those 13 year olds crying about being depressed because their parents are "oppressing" them should be killed too since we're helping them? Well you can learn a lot on internet forums. Guess we should legalize euthanasia everywhere then for people of all ages.

 

[Watch Me Sink]

Abortion is okay in certain points. What if a woman got raped by a pervert? You do not want a baby who's father is a rapist....

You may not, but I surely wouldn't mind telling a child that I saved their life as they were about to be judged based on their biological father.

 

[Justin]

My view on abortion is simple.

If it was unexpected and unplanned for the mother, an example of rape maybe? I think an abortion would be fine.

However, it is not fine to have an abortion if it is not those circumstances. If someone has an abortion just because they don't want a baby, that is something I can't stand.

 

[katy perry is hot]

My view on abortion is simple.

If it was unexpected and unplanned for the mother, an example of rape maybe? I think an abortion would be fine.

However, it is not fine to have an abortion if it is not those circumstances. If someone has an abortion just because they don't want a baby, that is something I can't stand.

Why? Why is it your business what someone else does with their body?

 

[Gimgak]

My view on abortion is simple.

If it was unexpected and unplanned for the mother, an example of rape maybe? I think an abortion would be fine.

However, it is not fine to have an abortion if it is not those circumstances. If someone has an abortion just because they don't want a baby, that is something I can't stand.

Why? Why is it your business what someone else does with their body?

If abortion is legal then why are substances like marijuana controlled? It's something people do with their body and shouldn't be controlled. You're not even harming anyone with it.

 

[katy perry is hot]

Who said I support keeping marijuana legal? 😛

 

[proudbabys]

Well said irviding nicely put. i totally agree