Abortion

[RandumbProd]

Why not have the option? If the option of notaborting the fetus is still open, then each person should do what they think is right, not be swayed over by different sides of an argument. That works for most social debates of any sort.

Saying that, I'm not touching the intricacies of the subject with a 30-foot pole.

 

[katy perry is hot]

Why not have the option? If the option of notaborting the fetus is still open, then each person should do what they think is right, not be swayed over by different sides of an argument. That works for most social debates of any sort.

Saying that, I'm not touching the intricacies of the subject with a 30-foot pole.

That's true, but it's impossible for people to do what they think is right because of the constant pressure from all angles.

 

[Cosmic]

Addressed to no none in particular: It's funny/disgusting to see liberals call babies Fetuses. Call them what they are, human beings. You shouldn't hide behind the term "Fetus" so that you can pretend it's just like a rock.

So, to those who are pro-choice, what if your own mother had wanted to abort you? Would you want a special exception to be made for yourself, or would you chose to die for the principle?

 

[katy perry is hot]

Addressed to no none in particular: It's funny/disgusting to see liberals call babies Fetuses. Call them what they are, human beings. You shouldn't hide behind the term "Fetus" so that you can pretend it's just like a rock.

So, to those who are pro-choice, what if your own mother had wanted to abort you? Would you want a special exception to be made for yourself, or would you chose to die for the principle?

No, if she wanted to abort me I wouldn't have existed.

And it is a fetus it's not a human being. You're wrong.

 

[Cosmic]

So, do you approve of mothers putting their children in the washing machine 1 year after they're born?

 

[katy perry is hot]

So, do you approve of mothers putting their children in the washing machine 1 year after they're born?

Maybe I should be asking you that question because the amount of mothers doing that will only increase ten fold if abortion were made illegal.

 

[Cosmic]

So, do you approve of mothers putting their children in the washing machine 1 year after they're born?

Maybe I should be asking you that question because the amount of mothers doing that will only increase ten fold if abortion were made illegal.

Well, if you lock someone away when they abort their child, then the people who don't want to go to jail will not kill their child.

 

[Deleted member 1609]

So, to those who are pro-choice, what if your own mother had wanted to abort you? Would you want a special exception to be made for yourself, or would you chose to die for the principle?

That would have been my mother's choice.

Let's not talk about how conservatives view life anyway. Conservatives are the ones who support pointless wars and eliminating the welfare state that feeds children every single day. Conservatives only care about children while they are inside their mothers. After that, conservatives stop caring about them.

 

[Watch Me Sink]

Want to talk about pointless wars?
'Nam. Started/hoaxed by liberals, ended by a great conservative.

(*Editnote: The Vietnam War started during Eisenhower's Presidency, but troop escalation and subsequent US involvement didn't start until Kennedy's first year)

And when does it become MY responsiblity to feed needy children? What about the parents? I work my ass off for the little money I earn, and having socialist liberals suck away that money for waste is rediculous.

Didn't see the edit. Saying that conservatives doesn't care about children until out of the womb is like saying libs don't care about children until out of the womb. In the womb? Nah, fuck that shit. Women's rights, rip that kid to shreds. If the woman wants to keep the kid, give it a silver platter at taxpayer expense.

 

[Cosmic]

@Gomen: Perhaps liberals support abortion so that the population of needed low-income people will be lower, thus making their welfare cost less for the government? It's a fact that dead babies cost the state less than live babies. :yes:

 

[Watch Me Sink]

True, but healthcare for females with damaged uteruses would increase taxpayer expense. You didn't think that all abortions left females in perfect state? In addition to physical damage, there's mental damage too. Can't speak from experiance, but have read stories online.

 

[Cosmic]

Perhaps, but these children would have expenses for the rest of their lives. I don't think we should pay a dime for any damages caused by the abortion, though, that's just plain wrong.

 

[Deleted member 1609]

@Gomen: Perhaps liberals support abortion so that the population of needed low-income people will be lower, thus making their welfare cost less for the government? It's a fact that dead babies cost the state less than live babies. :yes:

Even if that is true, think about the converse to that. By that logic, the conservatives are saying, "You HAVE to keep that baby, and once it's born, we don't want the baby to be able to live comfortably. We want him/her to starve/not be able to get a decent education/et cetera."

 

[Cosmic]

@Gomen: Perhaps liberals support abortion so that the population of needed low-income people will be lower, thus making their welfare cost less for the government? It's a fact that dead babies cost the state less than live babies. :yes:

Even if that is true, think about the converse to that. By that logic, the conservatives are saying, "You HAVE to keep that baby, and once it's born, we don't want the baby to be able to live comfortably. We want him/her to starve/not be able to get a decent education/et cetera."

The mother wouldn't have to keep the baby, all she'd have to do is not kill it. If some company/charity/person would take care of the child for her then she could lose the child without killing it. It's tricky, but is the only answer killing the child?

And FYI, it's easy for you to say that it would have been your mother's choice, but if I put a gun to your head then you would cry "Don't shoot", I'm sure. Same with if your mother had wanted to abort you.

 

[Watch Me Sink]

Not to mention sterile couples that wish to have children but can't would gladly take the baby.

 

[katy perry is hot]

But what you two don't understand is the adoption system doesn't work that way. It's not just "oh the baby is born and a new family takes it within 3-5 business days". It just doesn't work that way.

Consider the emotional impact on the mother. First, in the case of abortion, the mother already gets hit with enough emotional stress. Then look at adoption. You send your flesh and blood that was born and seen by you in the hospital away to an adoption agency. From what I've heard from people, adoption is extremely stressful, and is almost a way to torment a woman. Similar to the Republican party supporting the idea of forced mammograms before abortions.

Then, you need to realize again, it's not 3-5 business days. These babies float around the system between random houses for years, sometimes catching diseases, being sexually abused, etc. It is just not an applicable solution. The conservatives go on and on about how mothers who kill their babies are devils and should rot in hell.. but adoption is no better, infact, it's worse, because the baby 9 times out of 10 will end up with a shitty life in a shitty family (after the years of floating through the system) and nothing good comes out of it.

 

[Cosmic]

Irviding, I hate to play the Hitler comparison, but think what Hitler did. He did not just slaughter Jews, he also rounded up crazy and disabled people and had them gassed. As you saying that these babies should be rounded up and gassed rather than going through physical and emotional torment? Some of the people who Hitler rounded up wanted to keep on living, even though they were disabled. What if these children, despite going through the adoption system, would prefer to live instead of die?

 

[Gimgak]

 

[Watch Me Sink]

Teenage pregnancy, the father was nowhere in sight...luckily Jesus wasn't. Though I swear in this day and age if God ever pulled that again, Mary would go straight to the Maury Povich show to prove God IS the father!

...my am I coming up with some bad jokes.

 

[katy perry is hot]

Irviding, I hate to play the Hitler comparison, but think what Hitler did. He did not just slaughter Jews, he also rounded up crazy and disabled people and had them gassed. As you saying that these babies should be rounded up and gassed rather than going through physical and emotional torment? Some of the people who Hitler rounded up wanted to keep on living, even though they were disabled. What if these children, despite going through the adoption system, would prefer to live instead of die?

No. That is not what I am saying at all. I love you twist my post into me being "Hitler" but that's a typical conservative move, so not going to continue rambling on about that.

A fetus being aborted is not a baby. It is not alive. You're not taking a 3 year old and gassing it. That's completely different, and I find it appalling and completely out of line to even make such a comparison and expect to be taken seriously.