Abortion

[katy perry is hot]

Cosmic, you're argument is ridiculous. I don't know when I've ever said a parent can't spank his/her child in any topic, and infact I think I've actually agreed with you in numerous topics of that nature here that parents should be able to do what they want within reason to control a child.

Instead of debating the argument you just pull in some crap about spanking babies. Good work. A Plus debating skills.

 

[Cosmic]

@Gimgak: I would call killing your child outside of reason, if anything is.

@Irviding: many mainstream leftists believe in both though. And how is killing your child reasonable? Many parents abort them to control them, in a round about way.

 

[katy perry is hot]

@Gimgak: I would call killing your child outside of reason, if anything is.

@Irviding: many mainstream leftists believe in both though. And how is killing your child reasonable? Many parents abort them to control them, in a round about way.

But you don't seem to understand it's not killing a child. It's killing a lump of cells. It's not like a mother has a 3 year old boy and says "You know what, fuck this." and throws it in a trash can.

 

[Cosmic]

You, sir, are also a lump of cells. Even after you are born you are still just a lump of cells.

 

[Logan18]

I think that women should have the right to abortion but, I don't think they should do it.

Kind of like tobacco right now. People have the right to do it, but it's ridiculous to do.

I wish is was that simple, but what about the child's right to live?

It's almost impossible for both mother and child to get there way if you put it that way. I mean yes, the child does deserve the right to live but what if it's one of those situations where it risks the mothers life?

When it doesn't risk the mothers life, I think that the woman should have the baby and then put it up for adoption if she can't take care of it or if she doesn't want it.

 

[Cosmic]

When it doesn't risk the mothers life, I think that the woman should have the baby and then put it up for adoption if she can't take care of it or if she doesn't want it.

I agree with this. If there is sound medical proof that the woman's life is being risked, then I guess she should get to decide. It just clicks unfair to force her to risk her life over something like that. However, she isn't risking her life when there's no risk of that manner - there are charities which could take care of the child, such as adoption.

 

[katy perry is hot]

And on other pages I've already proven you wrong about just throwing the baby up for adoption and how that does not work and how the baby will usually end up with a shitty life in the end. You can keep reiterating the same points though. That's fine.

 

[Cosmic]

And? Would you rather die or have a bad life? Sounds like you are having suicidal notions. May I recommend a psychiatrist? Maybe mothers should kill their children if they become poor.

That's what your argument amounts to. The child should decide if they want to live a bad life or die, not the mother. They can jump off of a bridge if they want, it's their right, if they decide their life is too miserable. I know someone who is adopted and he is, in fact, not the happiest person, but I don't think he wants to kill himself. Suicide is against human nature, most people will not commit it even if they are in bad circumstances.

 

[Logan18]

Didn't Tim Tebows mother considered abortion with him? She didn't and look at what happened

 

[Watch Me Sink]

Though I support your notion, your arguement is rediculous. That's just like saying "Barry Bonds did a shitload of roids, but set tons of records. If I do roids, I'll be a baseball star!"
Because Tebows' mom didn't abort him doesn't mean that everybody who considers abortion, but doesn't do it, will give birth to a (what is he? football?) star.

 

[Logan18]

I'm saying that maybe they won't all have shitty lives like Irviding is saying.

 

[katy perry is hot]

Cosmic, that's not what my argument is at all. I've already lain out the problems with the adoption system on previous pages. You can look back there and refute the points if you wish, because you never bothered to then. The only person who even attempted was Kirisute. Like I said, if you want to keep ignoring what I said and just say "Oh adoption good abortion bad ok?" you can do that, just know that the baby you force a mother to bare will be floating around in the system throughout hundreds of foster homes and group homes until it gets a stable house, and we all know the stories about how a good chunk of adopters are just in it for the extra money and give a flying crap about the kid.

 

[Cosmic]

And? I refuted your argument by pointing out that it is entirely irrelevant. The kid should decide for his or her self if he/she wants to die, not the mother. If a mother is considering abortion, does she give a damn what the kid would become of if sent through the adoption system? Of course not. The kid should be given a chance. You are advocating suicide in your argument, as you say that one is better off dying than going through hardship.

 

[Needtotalk]

Abortion is fine, nothing wrong with it.

 

[Cosmic]

Abortion is fine, nothing wrong with it.

How is it different from murder? To an atheist, an unborn child is a lump of cells and a born child is a lump of overrated cells.

 

[Logan18]

Abortion is fine, nothing wrong with it.

You mind explaining, why you think that?

Irviding has done a good job explaining his thoughts. Yours, didn't have any explanation in it at all. While Irviding and I may agree and disagree some, at least he puts time into typing out his posts and explains his thoughts.

 

[katy perry is hot]

And? I refuted your argument by pointing out that it is entirely irrelevant. The kid should decide for his or her self if he/she wants to die, not the mother. If a mother is considering abortion, does she give a damn what the kid would become of if sent through the adoption system? Of course not. The kid should be given a chance. You are advocating suicide in your argument, as you say that one is better off dying than going through hardship.

What do you mean give the kid a chance? It's not a kid. Religious notations have no relevance in the laws of this country. No one has a right to tell a woman she can't control her own body. It's that simple. We are talking about something inside her body which cannot survive without her. In reality, it's a lump of cells. It's not a human being who can think, talk, and give his own opinions.

 

[Cosmic]

Then why do you give a darn about the life the kid would live? You said that the child would have a bad life in the adoption system as if the kid mattered to you, but now you are saying that that doesn't matter. Looks to me like you are just trying to score points, not maintain a steady argument.

As I said, we are all lumps of cells. Science, which is what you claim to be on your side, says that unborn children are lumps of cells and born children are overrated lumps of cells.

 

[katy perry is hot]

Then why do you give a darn about the life the kid would live? You said that the child would have a bad life in the adoption system as if the kid mattered to you, but now you are saying that that doesn't matter. Looks to me like you are just trying to score points, not maintain a steady argument.

As I said, we are all lumps of cells. Science, which is what you claim to be on your side, says that unborn children are lumps of cells and born children are overrated lumps of cells.

Science, which is on my side, says that a virus or bacteria is a lump of cells. So killing those should be illegal too. No antibiotics, no none of that. If you agree with that, then I'll be happy to concede this debate.

 

[Watch Me Sink]

Humans are lumps of cells, you are a lump of cells.