Seems kind of pointless don't you think? LIke an endless loop, but I guess that's what the internet is all about.... Trying to be on top of all the other sites. And I guess in time the small sites will be, but it just seems kind of overdone. I think this I dea was good for the first few sites like this one, but others need to find their own and be encouraged to do so. Advertising too much leaves you exhausted and without a goal.
Advertising other Advertising forums
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santakillz
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lol yeah they can advertise by there selfs. lol
Forums are forums. Promotion forums allow people to advertise their forums. If that forum happens to be another promotion forum, then so be it.why06 said:
It can feel that way at times but you just need to keep at it. Results dont happen over night.
Loopy Legend
Addicted
A promotion forum, is just like any other forum, its still a forum and how do you get any forum started, you advertise it of course.
Market?SIO said:
I am really getting pissed about people thinking there are too many promotion forums on the web. THE WEB DOES NOT MEAN FP's BASIC PROMOTION SECTION. There are seriously no advertising forums on the real internet. Try google?
The Hat Tipper said:
Whoah there, simmer down there. FP is not the first "promotion forum" I have encountered. There are lots of webmaster advertising forums out there. The majority of them do not get enough traffic to make it worth the time. What is the use in using a promotion forum that only has a small handful of members? Just like any other product/service, market saturation is definitely possible.
I did try Google: http://www.google.com/search?q=forum+pr ... =firefox-a
This is hardly something to get "pissed" about.
Lee Lawson
Seasoned Veteran
Dasher said:I love hwen people complain, "OH NOEZ ANUTTER PROMTIN FRM!!"
It's more advertising that you can do, shut up and promote.
Lawson+ said:Dasher said:I love hwen people complain, "OH NOEZ ANUTTER PROMTIN FRM!!"
It's more advertising that you can do, shut up and promote.
That's not true. You have to realize if you promote on one forum and they promote on yours, you tend to see the exact same members hence getting little advertising. It is an endless loop like said before.
Sure you may get packages etc., but really, its not a major part of advertising.
dotDavid said:
Dead on. That is something I always observe with post exchanges. I see the same group of people all making posts on all the same forums.
These sites are great for kick-starting a forum so it has the appearance of activity. No one will post to an empty forum after all. However, you cannot expect any long-term real activity or a sense of community on your board because A) people will only post per the exchange terms and B) it's all the same people.
There is a sense of community here on FP simply because we all have the common goal of improving our sites, but it would be unwise to expect this site to be the source of a true community on our own forums.
fantanoice
Madly Diligent
I'm surprised that most promotion forums 'only' go to promotion forums to advertise. You'd think that they'd get the word out to other forums, perhaps ones where the staff hasn't heard of the genre.
I was running my forum for three years before finding FP. I'm saddened at the fact that I didn't find out about it sooner.
I was running my forum for three years before finding FP. I'm saddened at the fact that I didn't find out about it sooner.
^ This. If more promotion forums branched out, they'd be getting different members and thus, I'd be more likely to go to one that isn't FP because I'd be seeing unique members there. 😛
Expired Account
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DanielL said:
Very true, how could you find an advertising forum if there was not an advertising forum?
The most successful thing to advertise on a promotion forum is another promotion forum.
Think about it... how many people here are looking to join genre specific forums? Not too many. How many are here trying to promote a forum? The vast majority. Another promotion forum is going to be your absolute best place to find membership as people here are already interested in the product.
If you own a forum about pens you can advertise your pens here and you might get a few clicks... maybe a member. But your sweet spot is that already well established pen forum where you participate and have your link in your signature. You much more likely to find quality members there than on a forum that has nothing to do with what you are trying to promote.
So like I said... promotion forums are the best places to promote other promotion forums and this is why they will pull the most clicks/registrations.
Think about it... how many people here are looking to join genre specific forums? Not too many. How many are here trying to promote a forum? The vast majority. Another promotion forum is going to be your absolute best place to find membership as people here are already interested in the product.
If you own a forum about pens you can advertise your pens here and you might get a few clicks... maybe a member. But your sweet spot is that already well established pen forum where you participate and have your link in your signature. You much more likely to find quality members there than on a forum that has nothing to do with what you are trying to promote.
So like I said... promotion forums are the best places to promote other promotion forums and this is why they will pull the most clicks/registrations.
fantanoice
Madly Diligent
But then you get the exact same members at all the promotion forums so you're not getting any extra exposure.Whaturmuva said:
TayneC8 said:
No. You can always optimize your site to get exposure. You have to realize that sites 10 years ago didn't need "advertising sites" to get noticed. Advertising sites really boomed in the last 5 years so it's not everything.
Whaturmuva, you will just see the exact same people, so no.
Yes you will see the exact same people... but really who cares? Activity is activity, doesn't matter if every promotion forum has the exact same member base... if people are joining and people are posting they are successful. New users come in by using search engines looking for places to advertise their new forum.
If site A, B, and C are all advertising forums that promote through each other and a new user finds their way to site B... that user will also see site A and C promoted and visit those sites as well. Users get sucked into multiple promotion forums as they believe the more they join the more successful their own forum will be.
I don't see why it matters if you see the exact same people, that are on the forum you are advertising on, if you are trying to establish an active forum. And I don't see where I said it would. I just said the forums that will pull the most clicks here are other promotion forums because it is what almost everyone here has in common... they are trying to promote their site. It's not just staff visiting each others forums. A lot of members here have gone to other promotion sites advertised here in order to promote their forum further.
Like I said, Joe Blow who made the pen site in my example advertises here and sees no result. Someone else makes a promotion forum and advertises here and they get a lot more activity than the pen site as a lot of members, even Joe Blow and his pen site, visit the new promotion forum in order to advertise in the belief that advertising on an advertising forum will make their forum active.
You're not telling me anything new... advertising on an advertising forum will do little to nothing for most sites activity. But that new promotion forum will get a good deal of activity promoting here as members here will join because they believe that promoting on a promotion forum will help boost their own forums activity.
Like I said... I could care less about having all unique members at the start. I'm trying to get activity so Google has more to index. I work on my SEO and gaining SERP and continue chugging along. Once I have that high search engine rank my site will be the first site a new user clicks on instead of having to promote to get new members.
It is useless for the vast majority of members here to promote their forums. Most get little to no membership and unless your site meshes with this in some way... Google won’t care too much about it.
But that new promotion forum will get a pretty good jumpstart from promoting here because Joe Blow, and many others, believe that he and his pen forum will really get a lot of membership by promoting through a site like this. Even Google will like to see your site linked on a site of the same genre.
My above post is absolutely valid. I explained why it makes the most sense to advertise a promotion forum here. If I'm trying to get activity to start a forum I don't care where it comes from. You need that jump start and nothing will get it quicker for a promotion forum than advertising at another promotion forum.
And once you’re at the top of Google for your keyword choice... other promotion forums promoting on your forum will snag some of your new unique members and the cycle will continue. I'm not saying it's a good thing but it is the easiest and most successful way to get a promotion forum started. Other than the established, very high ranking sites.... it's just a big leech fest for members... and if you want to get rolling you just need to find a nice soft place to grab on and suck.
Hopefully you can at least understand the logistics of what I am saying here. I understand the need for SEO, unique content, and all about how Google and websites should work. But I can also see that in this world of instant gratification not many people want to put that effort in and that is why you see this cycle. I'm not saying I agree with the cycle... but open your eyes and at least understand why it happens. You have thousands of new forum owners with zero knowledge of how forums or search engines work... they end up here trying to get activity and anywhere else they believe may help. This is why promotion forums garner so much success when the user could have had much more success going the long and difficult SEO route... but that's "hard" so lets just find a promotion forum... and every single promotion forum they can locate. How many people come here looking to find a specific forum? They don’t... they look it up in Google like everyone else.
Like I said, I don't agree with how lazy webmasters have got... but I understand the logistics behind the promotion forum and how they have pretty much taken advantage of the opportunity that lazy webmasters have given them. I say kudos to them, they found a niche and the amount of activity they get shows that they are doing something right. I don't see promotion forums dying out as more people become webmasters and they will just continue to click from one promotion forum to the next in an endless cycle and getting nowhere... but believe bumping their post every few hours will make members magically appear.
To summarize:
Promotion forums promoting on other promotion forums = Logical, easy, and will garner activity quickly. (Which is all my original post said)
Other forums promoting on promotion forums = Normally a waste of time that you could be spending working on SEO and getting links on sites/forums more specific to your own.
Lazy webmasters = Bad, normally unsuccessful, end up quitting sooner.
Hard working webmasters = More successful, more determined, longer lasting
Hope you enjoyed the read.
If site A, B, and C are all advertising forums that promote through each other and a new user finds their way to site B... that user will also see site A and C promoted and visit those sites as well. Users get sucked into multiple promotion forums as they believe the more they join the more successful their own forum will be.
I don't see why it matters if you see the exact same people, that are on the forum you are advertising on, if you are trying to establish an active forum. And I don't see where I said it would. I just said the forums that will pull the most clicks here are other promotion forums because it is what almost everyone here has in common... they are trying to promote their site. It's not just staff visiting each others forums. A lot of members here have gone to other promotion sites advertised here in order to promote their forum further.
Like I said, Joe Blow who made the pen site in my example advertises here and sees no result. Someone else makes a promotion forum and advertises here and they get a lot more activity than the pen site as a lot of members, even Joe Blow and his pen site, visit the new promotion forum in order to advertise in the belief that advertising on an advertising forum will make their forum active.
You're not telling me anything new... advertising on an advertising forum will do little to nothing for most sites activity. But that new promotion forum will get a good deal of activity promoting here as members here will join because they believe that promoting on a promotion forum will help boost their own forums activity.
Like I said... I could care less about having all unique members at the start. I'm trying to get activity so Google has more to index. I work on my SEO and gaining SERP and continue chugging along. Once I have that high search engine rank my site will be the first site a new user clicks on instead of having to promote to get new members.
It is useless for the vast majority of members here to promote their forums. Most get little to no membership and unless your site meshes with this in some way... Google won’t care too much about it.
But that new promotion forum will get a pretty good jumpstart from promoting here because Joe Blow, and many others, believe that he and his pen forum will really get a lot of membership by promoting through a site like this. Even Google will like to see your site linked on a site of the same genre.
My above post is absolutely valid. I explained why it makes the most sense to advertise a promotion forum here. If I'm trying to get activity to start a forum I don't care where it comes from. You need that jump start and nothing will get it quicker for a promotion forum than advertising at another promotion forum.
And once you’re at the top of Google for your keyword choice... other promotion forums promoting on your forum will snag some of your new unique members and the cycle will continue. I'm not saying it's a good thing but it is the easiest and most successful way to get a promotion forum started. Other than the established, very high ranking sites.... it's just a big leech fest for members... and if you want to get rolling you just need to find a nice soft place to grab on and suck.
Hopefully you can at least understand the logistics of what I am saying here. I understand the need for SEO, unique content, and all about how Google and websites should work. But I can also see that in this world of instant gratification not many people want to put that effort in and that is why you see this cycle. I'm not saying I agree with the cycle... but open your eyes and at least understand why it happens. You have thousands of new forum owners with zero knowledge of how forums or search engines work... they end up here trying to get activity and anywhere else they believe may help. This is why promotion forums garner so much success when the user could have had much more success going the long and difficult SEO route... but that's "hard" so lets just find a promotion forum... and every single promotion forum they can locate. How many people come here looking to find a specific forum? They don’t... they look it up in Google like everyone else.
Like I said, I don't agree with how lazy webmasters have got... but I understand the logistics behind the promotion forum and how they have pretty much taken advantage of the opportunity that lazy webmasters have given them. I say kudos to them, they found a niche and the amount of activity they get shows that they are doing something right. I don't see promotion forums dying out as more people become webmasters and they will just continue to click from one promotion forum to the next in an endless cycle and getting nowhere... but believe bumping their post every few hours will make members magically appear.
To summarize:
Promotion forums promoting on other promotion forums = Logical, easy, and will garner activity quickly. (Which is all my original post said)
Other forums promoting on promotion forums = Normally a waste of time that you could be spending working on SEO and getting links on sites/forums more specific to your own.
Lazy webmasters = Bad, normally unsuccessful, end up quitting sooner.
Hard working webmasters = More successful, more determined, longer lasting
Hope you enjoyed the read.
fantanoice
Madly Diligent
Nobody. That's why people stick with FP and not 'new' promotion forums. They're not getting anything special or any new exposure from the smaller site, so why bother joining?
I think promotion forum Admins need to get more creative with their advertising schemes. There are thousands of forum owners who don't utilise these, so why not target 'them' instead of the exact same promotion forum lurkers?
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