Apple vs. Android/Other

Keep in minds that's in the Netherlands!

And without Apple, HTC wouldn't have a smartphone...
 
iPhonefreak said:
Keep in minds that's in the Netherlands!

And without Apple, HTC wouldn't have a smartphone...

Keep dreaming buddy, HTC began designing the first touch and wireless hand-held device in 1998.

The first ever smartphone made was the IBM Simon 😉

Apple have actually never really been the first to create the new "thing", like a computer, smartphone or tablet.

Steve Jobs was a great marketer, but not really a great innovator...
 
Luke said:
iPhonefreak said:
Keep in minds that's in the Netherlands!

And without Apple, HTC wouldn't have a smartphone...

Keep dreaming buddy, HTC began designing the first touch and wireless hand-held device in 1998.

The first ever smartphone made was the IBM Simon 😉

HTC wouldn't have the HTC one, etc. nod would anyone today. We would still have pagers.

-- Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:17 am --

Luke said:
iPhonefreak said:
Keep in minds that's in the Netherlands!

And without Apple, HTC wouldn't have a smartphone...

Keep dreaming buddy, HTC began designing the first touch and wireless hand-held device in 1998.

The first ever smartphone made was the IBM Simon 😉

Apple have actually never really been the first to create the new "thing", like a computer, smartphone or tablet.

Steve Jobs was a great marketer, but not really a great innovator...

Apple took a category and made it correctly. They did it right which set the trend which takes innovation
 
iPhonefreak said:
Luke said:
iPhonefreak said:
Keep in minds that's in the Netherlands!

And without Apple, HTC wouldn't have a smartphone...

Keep dreaming buddy, HTC began designing the first touch and wireless hand-held device in 1998.

The first ever smartphone made was the IBM Simon 😉

HTC wouldn't have the HTC one, etc. nod would anyone today. We would still have pagers.

-- Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:17 am --

Luke said:
iPhonefreak said:
Keep in minds that's in the Netherlands!

And without Apple, HTC wouldn't have a smartphone...

Keep dreaming buddy, HTC began designing the first touch and wireless hand-held device in 1998.

The first ever smartphone made was the IBM Simon 😉

Apple have actually never really been the first to create the new "thing", like a computer, smartphone or tablet.

Steve Jobs was a great marketer, but not really a great innovator...

Apple took a category and made it correctly. They did it right which set the trend which takes innovation

I'm sure we would have things like they are today. You can see with the trend of how phones were going that we were going here, Apple just jumped in and continued the trend towards what we have today.

Anyway, Apple might have in your eyes been the first, but other companies are doing it a lot better. Apple is falling behind and other companies are completely killing it (doing really well).
 
iPhonefreak said:
We would still have pagers.

Pagers still exist -> They are a 'guaranteed' version of text messaging, hence their popularity in hospitals, etc.
 
Luke said:
iPhonefreak said:
Luke said:
iPhonefreak said:
Keep in minds that's in the Netherlands!

And without Apple, HTC wouldn't have a smartphone...

Keep dreaming buddy, HTC began designing the first touch and wireless hand-held device in 1998.

The first ever smartphone made was the IBM Simon 😉

HTC wouldn't have the HTC one, etc. nod would anyone today. We would still have pagers.

-- Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:17 am --

Luke said:
iPhonefreak said:
Keep in minds that's in the Netherlands!

And without Apple, HTC wouldn't have a smartphone...

Keep dreaming buddy, HTC began designing the first touch and wireless hand-held device in 1998.

The first ever smartphone made was the IBM Simon 😉

Apple have actually never really been the first to create the new "thing", like a computer, smartphone or tablet.

Steve Jobs was a great marketer, but not really a great innovator...

Apple took a category and made it correctly. They did it right which set the trend which takes innovation

I'm sure we would have things like they are today. You can see with the trend of how phones were going that we were going here, Apple just jumped in and continued the trend towards what we have today.

Anyway, Apple might have in your eyes been the first, but other companies are doing it a lot better. Apple is falling behind and other companies are completely killing it (doing really well).

We woulda for there in probably 2030 if Apple didn't jump in. 🙂
 
iPhonefreak said:
Keep in minds that's in the Netherlands!

And without Apple, HTC wouldn't have a smartphone...
So you mean to say Judges from Netherlands have more common sense?

And without apple HTC wouldn't have a smart phone? Really?
That's the most stupid point brought by an apple fanboy in this decade!
HTC had better looking phones when Apple was still with iphone 2g!

And by 2030? Really?
I can't really believe what I am reading here. You think Apple is the only one which can bring innovations.
 
I think it's rather obvious that Iphonefreak has already made up his mind and will not allow anything to get in the way of the reality he created for himself in which Apple is perfect and everyone else is wrong. There is no debate here as the only thing you are doing is playing verbal tennis with a figurative brick wall. It doesn't matter how good your arguments are as they will just get bounced back much like how a tennis ball will always bounce back to you when you throw it no matter how well you throw it or how good the ball is.

Do not confuse people giving up on you(IPF) as you winning as it's more like they grew tired of the proverbial game of verbal tennis and felt like doing something more rewarding and productive with their time.

The first step to being a fanboy/girl of anything is divorcing yourself from reality. I say that because reality dictates that everything has flaws and the first condition of being a fanboy/girl is fully believing that something in this world is flawless regardless if evidence comes forward that says otherwise.

I don't have any experience with Apple products so I can't say if android is better then Apple. I don't see anything that suggests the high price of Apple's products is worth it. I also see Apple going into a downward spiral now that Steve Jobs is dead. We do ourselves a service to remember what happened to Apple the last time Steve was no longer apart of it and I feel it will probably do down that route again because it seems most who work there lack the vision that he had for the company. A vision that obviously served him and Apple well during his time there as CEO and owner of it. Can you say we haven't seen signs of this already if you truly look at them honestly and without bias?

It would do a service to all those who disagree with IphoneFreak to treat him with respect regardless of what you think of his opinions regarding Apple. I seen several insult get thrown his way and they were uncalled for and were not the way to discuss or debate anything. If you have a good argument then stick to it and not allow yourselves to slide into the darkness of harsh words and pointless flaming. It's disappointing to see such hatred get thrown his way all because he has a different opinion then you do especially when we can do better then to go down that route.
 
Please note that the following post will be lengthy, and so, if you have the attention span of a fruit fly or some other urge to put "tl;dr" when seeing a post longer than 6 sentences, then by all means feel free to skip this post. I wouldn't want to bore anyone. I only want to leave my 2 cents (which is more like a dollar 😛) on this topic and am not trying to convince anyone. 🙂

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I am not, by any means a FanDroid or an iHater. I have no allegiance to any software, ok, that's not entirely true, I am faithful to the mobile platforms that have enough apps to keep me entertained while, facilitating the uses I have for my devices. :lol: While yes, I do hate Apple, my hatred has nothing to do with blind allegiance to Android. Apple does have fairly good products, and iOS is an excellent platform.

However, it is their business model, their anti-competitive, patent-trolling, litigious and blatant abuse of both the broken patent system in this country and the legal system as well as their hypocritical behavior (such as suing Samsung for its Galaxy series, when the late-Steve Jobs has admitted to stealing ideas for Apple products (link), after having quoted Pablo Picasso.(link)) As well as, blatantly stealing the notifications from Android, a feature that's been around since the G1.

If Karl Benz and Henry Ford and took the same approach to other automobile manufacturers that Steve Jobs and Apple did with Samsung and other oems, then there wouldn't be as many car makers in existence, today.

There would be no Mitsubishi, Ferrari, Toyota, Cadillac, Chrysler, Vauxhall, Citroen, etc. The latter clearly drew inspiration from the former where cars are concerned and they improved upon it. That is how it works because that is how it is supposed to work. No body sued their competitors over the fact that the cars had doors, 4 wheels, a v6 engine and said "vroom" when you turned the key in the ignition. They fueled (no pun intended) each other and it is because of that, that we have so many different kinds of cars today.

And lastly, I hate how they take advantage of their customers by forcing them to overpay for mediocre, underpowered devices that will be outdated by the time it leaves Foxconn, with menial updates, (such as an extra row of icons and a new plug after much hype..) the fact that they keep their funds off-shore to avoid paying their fair share in taxes, (when companies and the rich do this, the tax burden falls on the shoulders of the lower and middle class) and would rather supply low-wage manufacturing jobs to China, instead of good paying jobs to the Americans who need it.

They screw over the people who buy their devices 3x, while claiming to be an American company (when in all truth, they are every bit as much a global company as Samsung, at least Samsung has a variety of devices at all price points for every type of user. To make matters worse, Apple has the audacity to dictate to their customers regarding what they can and cannot do, search and watch with their devices, DESPITE the fact that these people have spent a ton of their hard-earned money to buy these devices.

Call me crazy but, I think that if I spend a ton of my hard earned money for a device, then I should get my money's worth where hardware is concerned, be able to do as I please with it, and without censorship. Don't you? That seems fair doesn't it? These are the reasons that Apple has earned my hatred of their company, and it is why I will never purchase another iDevice again.

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I think that comparing both of these O/S's is like comparing apples and oranges (no pun intended.) While yes, both are fruit, they are both very different. Whenever I've encountered some iDiot (not a regular Apple user, but an mind-numbingly arrogant and unreasonable Apple user who iGnorantly assumes that iPhone is the best despite all proof and FACTS to the contrary and refuses to accept that there are those who feel and KNOW differently.. having an opinion is fine, but don't try to claim it as fact) who assumes that I prefer Android because I can't afford an iPhone, I always tell them that the reason I prefer Android, because I had an iPhone.

The difference between these O/S's is that those who want more power, customization, features and the freedom to do with their device as they see fit, since they did after all pay for it, and want their smartphone to actually be smart, instead of using the term ironically, use Android. Those who don't, use iPhone/iDevice. Android users are generally more tech-savvy than iOS users and this is probably why their users are either very young or very old and those who just want a device that is for the most part, simple.

That is not necessarily a bad thing either. There are some who use an abacus instead of a calculator and even that isn't a bad thing, it is just a matter of personal preference.

I have used both, and have both iOS and Android devices, and my preference is Android for both phone and tablet, hands down. Although, I do miss some of the apps I had when I had an iPhone. However, because I don't believe in spending serious $$ for a device that will be outdated and under-powered (my T-mobile S2 had better specs iPhone 4s..) by the time it leaves the factory and then be told that I can't do this or that, or be told that "I'm holding it wrong" in response to a serious defect, is NOT cool with me.

My thing is, it is MY money being spent and so, I should be able to do as I see fit with it. I'm a grown woman, I don't need to be dictated to like some mindless idiot on what I can or can't do with something that I paid for with my own money. If I want an sd card, then let me have it, and if I want flash support, then I should be able to have that too, and not have to be told that that was not what some arrogant, pretentious, egotistical, putz wants in, or on his devices. (No disrespect to the deceased, but Steve Jobs was a real piece of work when he was alive, and my views about him as a person haven't changed just because he is dead.)

It is that short-sighted "one-size-fits-all" arrogance that has cost Apple the marketshare they've had over the years and it is why they are always behind the competition. It is a good thing that Apple has finally made larger screen devices and the iPad Mini and are working on a device that will [try to] compete with the Note series. If they would have stuck with Job's 'vision' then they might have been in as bad of shape as Blackberry and Microsoft are in now.

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I just get sick and tired of these people using commonly rehashed and regurgitated arguments, like "Apple always being ahead of their competition," fragmentation, "crappy Android devices," number of apps, plastic vs. metal, developer support, etc, to beat down Android.

For starters, the argument that Apple is always ahead of their competition, is not only a poor argument, it is a bold-faced lie. The Blackberry Z10 has better specs than the iPhone 5 (spec comparison link here) and it should be noted that Research In Motion (now known as Blackberry), was practically circling the drain when they released the Z10 and Q10, and yet, the Z10 has a 1.5GHz processor while the iPhone 5's A6 just has a 1.3 GHz processor (link here). Z10 has a 1,800mAh battery, while the iPhone 5 battery is 1,440mAh. (iPhone 5 teardown link here (step 9)) Also, because the Z10 can take a micro sdxc card up to 64gb (link here), that increases the Z10's internal storage to 80gb vs. the iPhone 5's max of 64gb with no sd card option.

Fragmentation is a poor argument because every major O/S out there, whether it be for PC's or mobile devices has some sort of fragmentation. I literally turned on my iPhone for the first time in 2 years to see if there were any updates, and I had about 60 updates for apps. I opened the app store to start the update and that number dropped down to 2. The reason was because I was running iOS 5, when I needed iOS 6 and newer to upgrade. Even Windows Mobile has this issue since devices running 7 can't upgrade to 8.. You can't really run Windows 7 programs on 3.1 now can you?

I think that people love to beat this dead horse where Android is concerned because it has the largest amount of fragmentation right now, which is fair, since they are the most popular mobile platform on the planet right now. However, even that might not be the case for Android since Google, OEMs and carriers are working together to rectify this. Third-party devs like the Cyanogenmod team have always done their share as well. This was why Google started its line of Nexus devices (even though some are primarily intended for developers) that will be first in line for updates and will give users a 'pure' Android experience compared to watered down carrier and oem builds.

They should just push modified or lite versions of ICS and JB to the older devices running Cupcake-Froyo and then remove any features that won't work with the device if it is too underpowered. Apple does this with iOS and if Google, the OEM's and carriers did the same, then the fragmentation issue would be resolved.

I say this because my husband's old Samsung Galaxy S was able to run a rom that was Gingerbread based but had a lot of features from ICS in it. My old S2 is updated to Jellybean 4.1.2, but there is no reason why it cannot run Jellybean 4.2.2 and later especially since, it was the most powerful version of the S2 released on other carriers.

If Google, OEMs and Carriers stopped screwing around, adding their own bloat to the software and started pushing out faster updates then there wouldn't be an issue with fragmentation or slow updates. It is their determination to discontinue devices after 2 upgrade cycles that creates this problem. The upgrades should continue for as long as the hardware can support it.

Another thing poor argument is when these people assume that all Android devices are the same and talk crap about Android when they either haven't used them at all, had very limited use, or haven't used it in a very long time, such as, them using their friend's (it is always a 'friend' or a 'friend of a friend') G1 when it ran Donut, even though Android is up to Jellybean and are now talking about Key Lime Pie and has changed a lot since then.

The great thing about Android is that there is a device for every budget and every user. Samsung's Galaxy S series are their brand of high-end devices. It is actually 1 of 5 different categories for different users.

For example, there is the S series which is Super-smart and they are high-end devices. There is the R series which means Royal and there are the upper mid-range devices. There is the W series which stands for Wonder and they are the mid-range devices. There is the M series which stands for magical and they are the low-end devices, and lastly, there is the Y series which stands for Young and is intended for kids.

This is the case with many OEMs as well, and so people need to stop acting as if all Android phones are the same, because they aren't. My Note 2 is not the same as a ZTE Blaze. I know, because I paid for it, and am still paying for it and the insurance I took out for it with a $150 deductible is evident of that. It is safe to say that if your Android phone is more powerful than your first computer, then chances are, you've got a high end device.

The idiotic plastic vs. metal argument is getting tired too, and it seriously needs to die, as of yesterday. Here's why. If I am going to spend $700+ for a phone, then it had better be durable. I don't want it to crack just because some moron thought that it was 'chic' to have a glass back, and I don't want it to dent either because it was dropped. Just about everyone who has a high-end device, will have a case to protect it. That being said, what exactly is the point of making this argument if you are just going to put a case on it?

The number of available apps is no longer a plus for iOS because now iOS devs are coming to Android. When I got my S2 back in 2012, about 55-60% of the apps I had on my iPhone were available for Android, and the quality of these apps sucked. By the end of the year it was closer to 80% and the quality was 100% better. Today, it is closer to 90% and I have spoken with developers whom I had purchased their iOS apps and they are willing to give me a copy of their paid Android version for free when they release it. There are also many iOS developers who use Android devices as their personal phones even though they develop for iOS, and they are also going to be coming to Android soon as well. I know this because I have spoken with at least 70 developers from both iOS as well as Blackberry and I am a beta-tester as well.

At the end of the day, all that matters is that people use the device and O/S they want and that works best for them. There is no need to go insulting anyone because of it.
 
Bluezone777 said:
I think it's rather obvious that Iphonefreak has already made up his mind and will not allow anything to get in the way of the reality he created for himself in which Apple is perfect and everyone else is wrong. There is no debate here as the only thing you are doing is playing verbal tennis with a figurative brick wall. It doesn't matter how good your arguments are as they will just get bounced back much like how a tennis ball will always bounce back to you when you throw it no matter how well you throw it or how good the ball is.

Do not confuse people giving up on you(IPF) as you winning as it's more like they grew tired of the proverbial game of verbal tennis and felt like doing something more rewarding and productive with their time.

The first step to being a fanboy/girl of anything is divorcing yourself from reality. I say that because reality dictates that everything has flaws and the first condition of being a fanboy/girl is fully believing that something in this world is flawless regardless if evidence comes forward that says otherwise.

I don't have any experience with Apple products so I can't say if android is better then Apple. I don't see anything that suggests the high price of Apple's products is worth it. I also see Apple going into a downward spiral now that Steve Jobs is dead. We do ourselves a service to remember what happened to Apple the last time Steve was no longer apart of it and I feel it will probably do down that route again because it seems most who work there lack the vision that he had for the company. A vision that obviously served him and Apple well during his time there as CEO and owner o?

It would do a service to all those who disagree with IphoneFreak to treat him with respect regardless of what you think of his opinions regarding Apple. I seen several insult get thrown his way and they were uncalled for and were not the way to discuss or debate anything. If you have a good argument then stick to it and not allow yourselves to slide into the darkness of harsh words and pointless flaming. It's disappointing to see such hatred get thrown his way all because he has a different opinion then you do especially when we can do better then to go down that route.

First off, thank you for your post. 🙂

Secondly, to answer your question in there: Apple simply took a little break. For example, say all of the staff here vanished. It would take time to recooperate. That's what happened when Steve died. Apple has an army of products this fall.<br /><br />-- Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:53 am --<br /><br />
xpl0iter said:
iPhonefreak said:
Keep in minds that's in the Netherlands!

And without Apple, HTC wouldn't have a smartphone...
So you mean to say Judges from Netherlands have more common sense?

And without apple HTC wouldn't have a smart phone? Really?
That's the most stupid point brought by an apple fanboy in this decade!
HTC had better looking phones when Apple was still with iphone 2g!

And by 2030? Really?
I can't really believe what I am reading here. You think Apple is the only one which can bring innovations.

No, I was simply implying its in the Netherlands so take it with a grain of salt.

I'd Like to see these phones that you claim of.

Yes, really.
 
iPhonefreak said:
That's what happened when Steve died. Apple has an army of products this fall.

Which will most likely just be the same as the previous generations. The iPad will probably be the only one to change massively, and that's only a design change 😛
 
iPhonefreak said:
I'd Like to see these phones that you claim of.
I am not going to spoon feed. grow up will you?
Check in HTC Wiki page and you will see!
iPhonefreak said:
Yes, really.
Really?
iPhonefreak said:
Apple simply took a little break. For example, say all of the staff here vanished. It would take time to recooperate. That's what happened when Steve died. Apple has an army of products this fall.
TENNIS BALL!
 
Luke said:
iPhonefreak said:
That's what happened when Steve died. Apple has an army of products this fall.

Which will most likely just be the same as the previous generations. The iPad will probably be the only one to change massively, and that's only a design change 😛
Have you not seen The story about the retail leadership thing?

How come we aren't bashing samsubg for their non design changes?<br /><br />-- Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:45 am --<br /><br />
xpl0iter said:
iPhonefreak said:
I'd Like to see these phones that you claim of.
I am not going to spoon feed. grow up will you?
Check in HTC Wiki page and you will see!
iPhonefreak said:
Yes, really.
Really?
iPhonefreak said:
Apple simply took a little break. For example, say all of the staff here vanished. It would take time to recooperate. That's what happened when Steve died. Apple has an army of products this fall.
TENNIS BALL!

Thanks, I did grow up, and I realized how blind you are!

Yes, these are better looking the the first iPhone
 

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i dont care wether apple is better or not
thing is, apple computers are freaking expensive
while others that run on windows are much cheaper
and for what

i say both andriod and apple are good​
 
IphoneFreak - As a question have you read some of the books that have been written about Steve Jobs and Apple?
 
iPhonefreak said:
Luke said:
iPhonefreak said:
How come we aren't bashing samsubg for their non design changes?

They make up for it with innovation - something Apple in recent years is lacking!

-- July 9th, 2013, 8:57 am --

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-575926 ... lobal-500/ Samsung has overtaken Apple too in the Fortune Global 500!

It's taking Samsung years to catch up, which they are now doing.

Compare the features the iPhone has to the Samsung Galaxy S4. The S4 blows the iPhone out of the water. Air View, Eye Scrolling, Stops videos when you look away and so much more. Let's take a look at the iPhone 5..... I can't even think of one the features on the iPhone 5, which happened to have been around for years on competitors devices.

Specs matter. The iPhone 5's 1.2GHz processor feels like the bareminimum to keep a phone running along, and then the 1.9GHz quad-core Snapdragon 600 processor just blows the iPhone 5's specs out of the water.

Samsung's S4 screens offer a great view even in direct sunlight and has rich colours. iPhone has 326 pixels per inch, S4 441.

iPhone 5 has a 1440mAh battery, Samsung's put a removable 2600mAh battery in the S4.

Those two phones are worlds apart, the iPhone 5 is using technology which has basically been around for years and is making the iPhone begin to look pathetic if you compare it to the big handfull of phones around which blow the iPhone's "nothing special features and specs" out of the water. Look at the features on the S4, then try telling me that the iPhone is the better of the two phones. Samsung has overtaken the iPhone with ease because they know the word innovate. Apple seems to know the words "keep the same".
 
Luke said:
ook at the features on the S4, then try telling me that the iPhone is the better of the two phones.

The iPhone is the better of the 2 phones, but I never liked Android, making it a moot point.
 
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