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Hello everyone. I am so glad to have found your forum, because when it comes to making connections with other people online, it all started with bulletin boards and forums. The 'big tents' they created were amazing places where people met, shared ideas, planned events, shared technical information about their cars, smart cars.

The smart car was a new car marque that came about roughly at the the turn of the century and the community formed on a vBulletin forum, long before social media like Facebook became mainstream. I loved the cars, and I loved the community - it was a fabulous place to be and the forum was just electric.

Facebook Groups started in, if my memory serves me correctly, around 2011, and within only four to six weeks the forums collapsed. It wasn't even a gradual decline as it was so rapid. That shocked me initially, but that shock was replaced by sadness and a feeling of grief, for the big tent had atomised into some thirty or so different groups for smart cars, each keeping their members in a silo, with no communication and a sense of hostility between them. Some FB groups are toxic, but most are managed by those who haven't a clue what they are doing. It's not surprising it all fell apart. I never, really, got over it.

These days I drive a Mini, and run a Mini Car group on Facebook where I find myself constantly battling algorithms and advertising. It's very difficult to get people to engage. Facebook seems to be getting worse by the month and, looking at the horizon, I see trouble ahead. The user experience is degrading to the point that people are beginning to turn away from it, and that doesn't auger well for the future.

I care about these car communities, because they are part of my identity and my past. I want to take my group back onto a forum/bb platform but it has to be done properly or it'll all go wrong. It is here that I hope to learn how to do this: setting up a forum is the easy part - it's the strategy and getting people to actually move across that are the tricky bits! I hope to learn from you all and, I hope, make friends along the way. My name is David, and I so look forward to getting to know you all in the months and years ahead.
 
Hi David, welcome to Forum Promotion! 🙂

You're definitely in the right place to chat with, learn from and grow alongside some incredible community owners! You're right, these days a forum has to be done in the right way or it won't take off. It's a struggle, but perseverance is a bit part of the game, as well. There a lot of car communities out there, so don't plan on jumping right in and being super successful, it will take time, but you can do it!

All the best!
 
Hi David, welcome to Forum Promotion! 🙂

You're definitely in the right place to chat with, learn from and grow alongside some incredible community owners! You're right, these days a forum has to be done in the right way or it won't take off. It's a struggle, but perseverance is a bit part of the game, as well. There a lot of car communities out there, so don't plan on jumping right in and being super successful, it will take time, but you can do it!

All the best!
Thank you for your encouraging remarks. It's going to be tough, but it can be done, and done well. There is a Mini car club in Scotland (I'm in the UK) that has already done this and it has a fair bit of engagement. I am meeting them at an event in July as I see them every year, so I will be interested to learn from them. I am sure I will get there in the end though 🙂
 
Thank you for your encouraging remarks. It's going to be tough, but it can be done, and done well. There is a Mini car club in Scotland (I'm in the UK) that has already done this and it has a fair bit of engagement. I am meeting them at an event in July as I see them every year, so I will be interested to learn from them. I am sure I will get there in the end though 🙂
Absolutely you will, and having that extra point of contact to get ideas and tips from is a great approach!
 
Hey David, it’s awesome to have you here at Forum Promotion. I hope to hear more about your plans to move away from Facebook groups with your community. 🙂
 
Welcome to FP!
 
Welcome to FP @ursus262 . Which forum software do you plan to run?
Thank you. I haven't decided yet, to be honest. I do have a fairly wide choice: vBulletin and Tapatalk are paid options that are reasonably priced; Forum Motion, Groups.io and Discord are also being considered.

My main concern at the moment is being able to articulate the need to migrate away from Facebook, and why doing so would be of benefit. I need to pursuade my fellow Modmins, our sister club within the same region, and our members. The members are really important, because, without them, there is no club.

Persuading people is the hardest thing to do. Although we meet regularly, there is only a core of about twenty people of a membership of over one hundred who actually make the effort to meet face to face. They are my most important members of our community and of all the people I need to pursuade, it'll have to be them.

Developing a strategy is the first step, with a proper plan for migration coming in closely behind.
 
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Thank you. I haven't decided yet, to be honest. I do have a fairly wide choice: vBulletin and Tapatalk are paid options that are reasonably priced; Forum Motion, Groups.io and Discord are also being considered.

My main concern at the moment is being able to articulate the need to migrate away from Facebook, and why doing so would be of benefit. I need to pursuade my fellow Modmins, our sister club within the same region, and our members. The members are really important, because, without them, there is no club.

Persuading people is the hardest thing to do. Although we meet regularly, there is only a core of about twenty people of a membership of over one hundred who actually make the effort to meet face to face. They are my most important members of our community and of all the people I need to pursuade, it'll have to be them.
VB isn't what it used to be. Most go with XenForo these days. Out of the others you named, Discord would be the next I think.

As far as getting people to move with you. That can be hard to get done. Most are happy to just be on Facebook and never change. Have you polled some of these people to see what they have to say on the subject?
 
VB isn't what it used to be. Most go with XenForo these days. Out of the others you named, Discord would be the next I think.

As far as getting people to move with you. That can be hard to get done. Most are happy to just be on Facebook and never change. Have you polled some of these people to see what they have to say on the subject?
I haven't yet, no. I'm treading very carefully at the moment. Every year we have our annual modmin meet and at the last meeting I broached the subject. They seemed to understand my concerns but felt the change would be too disruptive. The trouble is, FB itself is now so disruptive in and of itself that there is the risk it'll drive people away. I've broached the subject now and I'll keep on making the case. I suspect FB will fall apart in the not too distant future as all the signs of failure are there.
 
I haven't yet, no. I'm treading very carefully at the moment. Every year we have our annual modmin meet and at the last meeting I broached the subject. They seemed to understand my concerns but felt the change would be too disruptive. The trouble is, FB itself is now so disruptive in and of itself that there is the risk it'll drive people away. I've broached the subject now and I'll keep on making the case. I suspect FB will fall apart in the not too distant future as all the signs of failure are there.
Well I wish you luck. I am not big on Social Media. If it all closed up tomorrow, it wouldn't bug me at all. 🙂

I for one just love forums. I did take a break for a while, but couldn't stay away.
 
Hey! Welcome to FP. You certainly came to the right place for what you’re hoping to achieve!
 
Welcome to Forum Promotion. Great to hear you've decided to come back to forums they're really fun!
 
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VB isn't what it used to be. Most go with XenForo these days. Out of the others you named, Discord would be the next I think.

As far as getting people to move with you. That can be hard to get done. Most are happy to just be on Facebook and never change. Have you polled some of these people to see what they have to say on the subject?
XenForo is terribly expensive though.
 
Tapatalk isn't that useful these days, IMO. I stopped using it years ago now that most modern forum software have a good mobile layout.

VB isn't what it used to be.
I can agree on that. I have a couple vb forums I'm a member on, and it looks pretty dated from what I've seen.

Most go with XenForo these days.
XenForo is a good choice for professional software, not too expensive, compared to IPS (400-500 for initial license) or vBulletin ($250 or so iirc).

XenForo is terribly expensive though.
It is what, 190 or so initially? And I think like 90 to renew it (at least for the software with both official addons) on a yearly basis. Versus IPS' 200/year price. It's a great software for smaller to mid-sized communities, and even larger if you have it optimized and running well. IPS is good for larger sites, IIRC, but is also a lot more expensive (see previous quote response).
 
Tapatalk isn't that useful these days, IMO. I stopped using it years ago now that most modern forum software have a good mobile layout.


I can agree on that. I have a couple vb forums I'm a member on, and it looks pretty dated from what I've seen.


XenForo is a good choice for professional software, not too expensive, compared to IPS (400-500 for initial license) or vBulletin ($250 or so iirc).


It is what, 190 or so initially? And I think like 90 to renew it (at least for the software with both official addons) on a yearly basis. Versus IPS' 200/year price. It's a great software for smaller to mid-sized communities, and even larger if you have it optimized and running well. IPS is good for larger sites, IIRC, but is also a lot more expensive (see previous quote response).
Well, I'm only interested in a cloud-based solution. I really don't want to get into managing servers or databases or dealing with Linux commands. I just want an off-the-shelf option. XenForo, vBulletin and the others do a cloud managed option. I'm not an IT professional and I'm looking for something where I can just configure it and get it going.
 
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