Does God Exist-Yes/No Discussion

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I, personally, have no belief in God, or any higher power for that matter.

It seems that it is "invented" yes, invented, to soothe others and make their lives feel more fulfilled. They look at the world, and think, their needs to be something bigger than this.

Thoughts?
 
This is a hard question as everyone believes differently, and not only on this topic in particular.

I myself do not believe in God, however I do have faith (which is not linked to Christianity at all) in the human race, and I believe that good things happen to good people, and every person is good in their own way. Which allows me to not believe in a "higher power" because everyone is equal.
 
God, witches, demons, monsters, etc - throughout human history, from cavemen to modern man. All to explain the unexplainable. And during the more developed times of man, to control people.

What used to be blamed on god, witches and such like is often explained by science now. We may not have answered every question we have, but we are continuously finding answers...

Therein, god does not exist. It's just a thing to satiate humans want for reasoning behind a particular event or occurrence.

To me, god is just santa for adults, tbh.
 
I never believed in god or anything. Even at 4 I would refused to believe in Santa and stuff. If I can't see it and there no logic to it then my mind can't believe that it exists.

But actually my main reason is if you believe in god then you believe in the devil, and people suffering forever just because they did something wrong, that too cruel for me to believe in.
 
Very good question PumpingIron,
My answer is YES, God does exist! And my question to you, and to those who do not believe that God exist is, what is it about God that you do not believe exist?

BTW, I'm not trying to convert you or anyone else to believe that God does exist... 🙂
 
I'm kinda un-sure at the moment in my life, I see loved ones and friends life's taken so fast around me lately. I'm scared not to believe. But I need a sense of proof to his presence..I don't know. ;(
 
Honest response TTS... and I would say to you, if you need proof that God does exist, all you must do is look in the mirrror each morning, and look around you at those things man cannot create or have control over... and wonder within yourself how it all happened... Since you have no control over whether or not you will awake each morning.. your breath of life this is your proof that God exist. You, nor does anyone have control over their life, or know whether they will live or die.

As you stated, family and friends around you are dying, and you're experiencing a certain fear which gives cause for you to be afraid not to believe. Well, its good to have healthy fearful, and being afraid of not believing in God is healthy fear. And to rid yourself of not believing that God exist, and if you're serious about getting answers and seek more proof, all you need but do is ask of God Himself to show Himself to you and to help your unbeleif... believing in God is all about having faith to believe that He is who He says He is...
Faith to believe in God is a choice, and is our responsibility to choose... the choice to believe brings freedom and eternal blessings, and the choice not to believe brings serious eternal condemnation and eternal consequences.

Moreover, I would rather live my life on earth believing that there is a God in heaven then die, and find out that there is no God or eternal life after death in heaven with God... Than to live my life on earth NOT BELIEVING in God, then die, only to find out there is a God, and find myself condemned to hell eternally in torment after death for disbelief and rejecting the truth about God and His Son.
 
Evangelist said:
Honest response TTS... and I would say to you, if you need proof that God does exist, all you must do is look in the mirrror each morning, and look around you at those things man cannot create or have control over... and wonder within yourself how it all happened... Since you have no control over whether or not you will awake each morning.. your breath of life this is your proof that God exist. You, nor does anyone have control over their life, or know whether they will live or die.

As you stated, family and friends around you are dying, and you're experiencing a certain fear which gives cause for you to be afraid not to believe. Well, its good to have healthy fearful, and being afraid of not believing in God is healthy fear. And to rid yourself of not believing that God exist, and if you're serious about getting answers and seek more proof, all you need but do is ask of God Himself to show Himself to you and to help your unbeleif... believing in God is all about having faith to believe that He is who He says He is...
Faith to believe in God is a choice, and is our responsibility to choose... the choice to believe brings freedom and eternal blessings, and the choice not to believe brings serious eternal condemnation and eternal consequences.

Moreover, I would rather live my life on earth believing that there is a God in heaven then die, and find out that there is no God or eternal life after death in heaven with God... Than to live my life on earth NOT BELIEVING in God, then die, only to find out there is a God, and find myself condemned to hell eternally in torment after death for disbelief and rejecting the truth about God and His Son.
I thank you for this. Also, about the part where you said to ask him to show himself in my belief, I've asked him several times when I was younger, I don't know how he does...Adults around me say hes showed himself to them...but he never does to me..?
 
@ Evangelist,

You say to look at everything that man cannot create himself, however one must look at what 'God' (as per people's beliefs on what the name is) and one must ask the same question;
Who created 'God'?

Good luck with finding an answer that will impress me.
 
Nathan said:
@ Evangelist,

You say to look at everything that man cannot create himself, however one must look at what 'God' (as per people's beliefs on what the name is) and one must ask the same question;
Who created 'God'?

Good luck with finding an answer that will impress me.

That question has been asked by atheists (even theists) many times and theologists have provided, what I believe are, sufficient answers. You may not agree, but this is never a simple task.

The notion of God being "created" is like asking "what is the taste of purple?". It has no meaning. By definition (subject to debate, but let's take a post-modern Christian definition), God is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient, so the notion of God being created is meaningless. (yes, this opens up another debate, the typical atheist response is 'there's evil, why does God....... etc. etc.?, but that's not the point of my response).

There are more scientific responses. By the second law of thermodynamics, entropy is always increasing to a state of thermodynamic equilibrium. Therefore by logic, there must have been a point where entropy was zero+, i.e. the instant the universe was created. So that must mean if, (yes, I say, 'if') God exists, then God must exist in a timeless, spaceless dimension. Therefore, if God is timeless and spaceless, then the notion of God being "created" is again, meaningless.

There are many advocates for either sides and I've seen numerous debates on this topic. I just have a brief collaboration of responses which are of interest and are interesting to think about, whether you believe it or not.

It shouldn't be about impressing anyone - very rarely do people's mindsets change, hence why a debate on an internet forum isn't very effective.

PS: do note that I've tried to be as scientific as possible.

PSS: this is a crap debate (no offense, but it's true) since it either leads to people flaming or people just misinterpreting everything; also, we won't ever be able to get a definitive answer.
 
David L said:
the second law of thermodynamics, entropy is always increasing to a state of thermodynamic equilibrium
Can you please explain what that means?
 
Personally, I am going to throw out here that I am agnostic (that's the common term I hear for those like me). I do not accept nor deny that god exists simply because there is no proof on either side. Do I hope that some type of hire being exists? Yes. Do I know? No. Does that mean that I don't believe in him? No. But because I don't deny that there may be one, does that mean I practice a religion? No.

Long story short, he may or may not, but in the end, I find it irrelevant. I believe that I pick my own path, and that path will be unaffected by my church attendance.
 
Oh good gracious, everyone has so many different opinions and some can get really offended if you don't believe haha. So I say I'm Catholic (I am) but I don't go to church. And I just swag out of the question xD
 
[/quote]I thank you for this. Also, about the part where you said to ask him to show himself in my belief, I've asked him several times when I was younger, I don't know how he does...Adults around me say hes showed himself to them...but he never does to me..?[/quote]

TTS, you're welcome. There is one thing for sure, as I stated, God shows you Himself everyday in many things and ways, and I think you are not accepting it as being of God. All you must do is look around you, and review seen and unseen dangers you have encountered in your life in harms way, yet you were not harmed.

Take a look at the good, the bad, the ugly, and the indifferent circumstances and situations you have experienced and came through... this should make you wonder how you overcame them and came through in victory without anyone there to assist you. And if by chance someone was there to assist you, do you ever wonder why or how that person who happened to be there on time, knew just what to do or say at the very moment of your need? It was not something grand that you did or the person did or did not do... it was God's love, grace, and mercy He showed you, and provided a means for your escape or made a way to lift the burden from you through that person, because you are His creation, and He protects what belong to Him.

If you would like for God to show Himself to you in a special way, and if you would be specific in asking Him to show Himself to you... He is a man of honor and of His Word, and He has promised those who seek Him diligently, to ask of Him and He will show Himself. But its up to you to tell Him what it is that you are seeking of Him to prove to you that He is God. God has said there is nothng that He has created on earth wherein His Spirit does not already dwell... in other words, its the same as looking upon a piece of art work, without seeing the artist's name, you are able to know who he/she is by their special touch of colors, and strokes. Same as God, without Him having to prove Himself to you, you should already know that you did not create yourself nor did any man create you or anything around us on earth. We as humans have no control over life or death, but only God. If a person does not believe in God, then it would go to say, that the person also does not believe in satan/the devil, thus, if one does not believe in God or satan, then its safe to say, neither is there a heaven or hell, nor is there good or evil, or life after death... and if these things be truth, then one should be able to explain man's existance on earth and the foundation of the universe, and what happens after death has come upon earthly man to be no more.

Moreover, its all about FAITH TO BELIEVE that GOD IS who He says He is... so I think the first thing is to ask God to do for you, is to increase your FAITH TO BELIEVE, so that when He does show Himself to you in a more specific way, you will know that it is He who has done whatever it is you have asked of Him.

You need a sign to prove there is a God, but true Faith takes it at face value and believes there is a God, because of what we see around us. It is impossible for a person to have FAITH to believe in some one or some thing that they know nothing about. Therefore, as Scripture teaches us, FAITH COMES BY HEARING, AND HEARING THE WORD OF GOD, and in humility we humble ourselves to believe, becasue a sense of false pride prevents and hinder one from believing in many things especially when it comes to truth. There is no way you can believe unless you have FAITH... but I can assure you TTS, if you need proof more than what God has already shown you, then ask of Him. We tend to not believe in people places and things we know nothing about... no one believed in the techology of computers until there was proof in the physical that the computer could do as it was thought... and whatever man puts in the compute will come out... weeell, sometimes :rofl: ... but whatever spiritual knowledge, understanding, and wisdom God imputes inside of you about Himself, it will come out without failure everytime, and that's the difference between man and God... which let's me know for a fact that Al Gore may have invented the second computer, but he didn't invent the first computer, GOD INVENTED THE FIRST COMPUTER USING MAN AS HIS SOLE EXAMPLE in the Garden with Adam and Eve. :idea: lol

Ask of God and lean not to your own understanding, and He will direct your path into all things concerning Himself. :heart: ..sorry this is so long, but I had much good to say lol<br /><br />-- 03 Jun 2013, 22:59 --<br /><br />
Dennis said:
No; I do not.
No, you do not what Dennis?... lol
 
Evangelist: I was replying to the question of this topic.
 
Nathan said:
@ Evangelist,

You say to look at everything that man cannot create himself, however one must look at what 'God' (as per people's beliefs on what the name is) and one must ask the same question;
Who created 'God'?

Good luck with finding an answer that will impress me.

Nathan, firstly, why would I try to impress you with an answer about God? Contrary to your own popular beliefs, you're impressed with God without me giving you an answer... you believe there is a God, but you just don't know anything about Him.

Secondly, God didn't need anyone to create Him... this is why He is called God, because no one created Him... He created the earth and all that dwells therein... so since He is the Creator of ALL THINGS, why would He need someone to create Him?... can't get any higher than God, nor is there any other name in heaven or on earth than to be called GOD-Jehovah. His name is above all names, because He is Spirit, and is an infinte powerful being without mother or father... now, even if you SAY, you don't believe... that you know that is awesome to be GOD and of such greatness! lol :heart:<br /><br />-- 03 Jun 2013, 23:17 --<br /><br />
Dennis said:
Evangelist: I was replying to the question of this topic.

Sorry, I mis-read your comment...
 
Fergal said:
David L said:
the second law of thermodynamics, entropy is always increasing to a state of thermodynamic equilibrium
Can you please explain what that means?

An analogy would be stirring a hot cup of tea until it is the sample temperature as its surroundings (say room temperature). The universe is the same - it will aim to achieve a state of balance. It will produce entropy until maximum entropy, by then, a state of balance is achieved.

Entropy is heat energy wasted in the process of reaching a state of balance. When you stir, you are producing energy, some of that is heat energy. That goes into the cup. The cup will keep some of that energy, the rest is lost to the surroundings. That is wasted energy, which is essentially entropy. As you keep on stirring, you aim for a state of balance, so there is always heat energy loss, until the cup is in thermal equilibrium. (This is a very simplified, albeit still confusing, example, not the best, because to explain what entropy is, I need to explain the explanation!)
 
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