Does God Exist-Yes/No Discussion
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Thanks Justin.
It's not free will for the children who die. Personally I don't think it's free will either, to tell someone if you don't live by my rules, you will burn in hell for all eternity.
Geoffrey said:
It's not free will for the children who die. Personally I don't think it's free will either, to tell someone if you don't live by my rules, you will burn in hell for all eternity.
Evangelist
New Arrival
God isn't allowing children to die because of poverty... people are allowing children to die becasue PEOPLE are not sharing their blessings with the poor to stop poverty... like helping to feed and serve the poor. God say the poor will be with us always, and He has put us on earth and blessed many of us with more than enough to help those who do not have enough... but many are not even concerned about children in poverty or those men and women who are in poverty homeless on the streets, and living in shelters. My question would be what are you doing, and what have YOU done to prevent children from dying from poverty?
Children are a blessing of the Lord, and they are destined for heaven, so when they do die for whatever reason, their home is in heaven with the Lord. Its the adult who must decide where they will spend their eternity... not children.
Yes, God is a just God, this is why He gives us a choice (not force) to have faith to believe in Him, if nothing more than because of your very breath given to you each day, you sure don't breathe on your very own. Plus, God has provided you, me and others with many benefits each and everyday, and had it not been for His benefits toward us, we would have been gone from this earth years ago, or never been born... not to believe that GOD is who He says HE IS, is because of rebellion and rejecting the truth of Him as being God... you say, you don't believe yet, no one seems to be able to explain what part about God they do not believe... you can only say, you don't believe there is a God.
My questions again, Why is it that you do not believe?... and what is it about God that you don't believe?
God also say, there is not one creature or creation that He has created that His Spirit does not express His Being, God is in everything He created on earth... also, because God is God, and heaven is His home, its true, if you don't live according to His rules why should you be welcome to live for eternity in His home with Him? Would you welcome someone who disrespected you and didn't trust or believe in you, into your home? I don't think.... so If you went to a night club and refused to conduct yourself orderly according to the rules of the club, how long will they welcome you as a guest in their club?... you would be 86 in a hurry.
The great thing about all of this is, that God desires that no one be lost into satan's hell, and because God is God and He owns heaven and hell... He has a right to invite only those who make the choice to follow His directives and live healthy godly life-styles and have faith to believe in Him as He has required and commnaded. These are they who will have eternal life to live again after death. All others will live eternity in hell with satan, because of unbelief and disobedience.
The free choice is obedience vs disobedience... and that's our choices to choose whom we will believe in... and there are only two choices for life after death in eternity... Heaven or hell is the destination... nothing more and nothing less.
Good people don't make it to heaven, only those people who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and God our Father, and live accordingly... Good people die, because we are born to die,... remember, GOD IS IN TOTAL CONTROL OF MAN'S LIFE AND DEATH, that should be enough there to give cause for faith to believe... so we are not our own contrary to popular belief... so don't drink the kool-aid...lol
Children are a blessing of the Lord, and they are destined for heaven, so when they do die for whatever reason, their home is in heaven with the Lord. Its the adult who must decide where they will spend their eternity... not children.
Yes, God is a just God, this is why He gives us a choice (not force) to have faith to believe in Him, if nothing more than because of your very breath given to you each day, you sure don't breathe on your very own. Plus, God has provided you, me and others with many benefits each and everyday, and had it not been for His benefits toward us, we would have been gone from this earth years ago, or never been born... not to believe that GOD is who He says HE IS, is because of rebellion and rejecting the truth of Him as being God... you say, you don't believe yet, no one seems to be able to explain what part about God they do not believe... you can only say, you don't believe there is a God.
My questions again, Why is it that you do not believe?... and what is it about God that you don't believe?
God also say, there is not one creature or creation that He has created that His Spirit does not express His Being, God is in everything He created on earth... also, because God is God, and heaven is His home, its true, if you don't live according to His rules why should you be welcome to live for eternity in His home with Him? Would you welcome someone who disrespected you and didn't trust or believe in you, into your home? I don't think.... so If you went to a night club and refused to conduct yourself orderly according to the rules of the club, how long will they welcome you as a guest in their club?... you would be 86 in a hurry.
The great thing about all of this is, that God desires that no one be lost into satan's hell, and because God is God and He owns heaven and hell... He has a right to invite only those who make the choice to follow His directives and live healthy godly life-styles and have faith to believe in Him as He has required and commnaded. These are they who will have eternal life to live again after death. All others will live eternity in hell with satan, because of unbelief and disobedience.
The free choice is obedience vs disobedience... and that's our choices to choose whom we will believe in... and there are only two choices for life after death in eternity... Heaven or hell is the destination... nothing more and nothing less.
Good people don't make it to heaven, only those people who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and God our Father, and live accordingly... Good people die, because we are born to die,... remember, GOD IS IN TOTAL CONTROL OF MAN'S LIFE AND DEATH, that should be enough there to give cause for faith to believe... so we are not our own contrary to popular belief... so don't drink the kool-aid...lol
If there is a god, then he's the biggest piece of poop that ever existed.
It's really hard to believe an all mighty god would create a world where child molesters, killers and all that exist. Plus, if there was a god, then you'd think he would have seen this mess coming and would have fixed it before it created us.
But yeah... obviously I don't believe god exists.
It's really hard to believe an all mighty god would create a world where child molesters, killers and all that exist. Plus, if there was a god, then you'd think he would have seen this mess coming and would have fixed it before it created us.
But yeah... obviously I don't believe god exists.
If you believe in God, you believe that God created those "PEOPLE". In other words God created the "people" who "are allowing children to die". No matter how you look at it, it's not the children's fault - I know that's not what you are saying, just wanted to emphasise the point that they are suffering and dying through no fault of their own. Either God has the power to do something about it and chooses to let them suffer and die, or there isn't a God with the power to do anything about it.Evangelist said:
I have indeed been provided with many benefits. If those benefits were provided by God, I wonder why he doesn't provide them to hungry children? I can assure you that I am no more deserving of God's benefits than those children.
If I said to someone smaller and weaker than me that they must do as I say or I will throw them into the fire, I wouldn't consider that as giving them a choice.
I have done a little but not enough. My questioning why a God would allow such a tragedy, doesn't absolve me from a responsibility to do more.
Fergal said:
God also gave those people free will, to choose whether to kill or not.
Anyone who does accept him as his savior shall be delivered from evil.
anything bad that happens doesn't come from god... it comes from the enemy (whose name we all know to well)
People say that God knows everything and that he creates people. If God knows that someone is going to do evil on earth, before they are even born, then why does he create them?vividlion said:
If God creates a person, whom he knows will do bad things, then don't those bad things come from God?
Bluezone777
Dinner Team Leader
I think you misunderstood what God know or doesn't know. He knows the future in the sense he knows the outcome of every choice you can make but he doesn't know what choice you will make. He can't know what choice you make because he gave you free will to choose which choice you will make in life.
Another issue people bring up is they point to their surroundings/situation and suggest it means they have no free will. Free will is about making a choice as to what actions you take and what sort of perception you have over your surroundings. Everything in life comes from those two things which we have full control over. The only way we can lose that control is to freely give it away which many do then claim that they have no choice not realizing they only have no choice because they willingly gave it away.
People believe that God created evil but he didn't. Evil is merely the absence of good and not a thing in of itself. It's the same with light and darkness. There is nothing in the sky that creates darkness as darkness is merely what we use to describe the absence of light. In the end, we are given a choice to embrace or reject all that is good. There is nothing on this Earth that can take away your ability to make that choice for yourself no matter how hard they try to make it seem like they can.
Another issue people bring up is they point to their surroundings/situation and suggest it means they have no free will. Free will is about making a choice as to what actions you take and what sort of perception you have over your surroundings. Everything in life comes from those two things which we have full control over. The only way we can lose that control is to freely give it away which many do then claim that they have no choice not realizing they only have no choice because they willingly gave it away.
People believe that God created evil but he didn't. Evil is merely the absence of good and not a thing in of itself. It's the same with light and darkness. There is nothing in the sky that creates darkness as darkness is merely what we use to describe the absence of light. In the end, we are given a choice to embrace or reject all that is good. There is nothing on this Earth that can take away your ability to make that choice for yourself no matter how hard they try to make it seem like they can.
If a parent were to say to a child, do what I say or I will stick your hand in the fire, no one would consider that to be free will. Yet people seem ready to believe that a God saying, do as I say or burn in hell for eternity, is free will.Bluezone777 said:
I'm not to sure about that. When someone is deliberately cruel to another person, that is an evil act. It's not just an act that lacks goodness.
Bluezone777
Dinner Team Leader
When has God ever said that? The way I see it, he basically shows you do this or this will happen which is pretty much what people might say in certain situations. Like don't stick a knife in a power outlet or you will get electrocuted. You're more then welcome to ignore it and do it anyway but don't expect to see a different result. If you want free will then you have to be willing to suffer through the result of bad choices. Most would rather want free will but not suffer through any bad choices they make. All that would do is make you forever dependent on God and that's not very healthy to be forever dependent on anyone or anything.
I still think evil is the total absence of good. A evil person cannot have any good within them especially when they do things that they know harm others. Anyone who had good in them and did something evil would feel terrible throughout while an evil person wouldn't feel any pain for what was done.
I still think evil is the total absence of good. A evil person cannot have any good within them especially when they do things that they know harm others. Anyone who had good in them and did something evil would feel terrible throughout while an evil person wouldn't feel any pain for what was done.
An existence of god is not subjective. It's either he exists or he doesn't. I'm not gonna go "agnostic" on it just like how I will not go "that may or may not exist" if someone comes to me and said that "invisible dancing cactus are hovering above our heads".
Until someone comes up with an actual basis instead of just saying "there is a god" out of nowhere. I will not believe it nor believe that there is a chance it exists.
People may have their own opinions, but they can't have their own facts.
Until someone comes up with an actual basis instead of just saying "there is a god" out of nowhere. I will not believe it nor believe that there is a chance it exists.
People may have their own opinions, but they can't have their own facts.
PandahFish
Resident
Zerum said:
Or you can just get your face out of your butt and do some research yourself.
How do you think we got here in the first place?Take a look around you.Have you ever read the bible and see the connections about what it says and what's happening in this world right now?
Did you ever watch a horror movie? Why not try playing with pencils or an Ouija board. You may not believe in God, but if you ever do play with the Ouija board and witness the evil in it, then you must believe. Cause if you believe in the Devil, you must believe in in Jesus&God, that's just how it goes.
People can have their own opinions and have their own facts, it's possible have both.
This debate is just revolving around "How do you think we got here?!?!?!?!?!?" to "Look at this creation looks like an animal, I bet this was created by GOD!"
I believe in god, but people please read above comments because otherwise we're just running in circles. To be honest, I don't think its really possible to change a person's prospective on a subject like this without them being willing.
I believe in god, but people please read above comments because otherwise we're just running in circles. To be honest, I don't think its really possible to change a person's prospective on a subject like this without them being willing.
NBK*Twitch
Seasoned Veteran
PandahFish said:
Oh gee idk evolution :O
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