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Hi all,

As I'm sure you've noticed over the past little while, there has been a lot of change happening within FP. From former staff moving on to new staff coming in and some interesting times in-between. Fortunately we have our bearings a bit now and we're ready to talk about what's happening next for us as a team, for FP as a site, and for our community as a whole.

I don't think it's a stretch to suggest that everyone has noticed there has been some tension, some turmoil over this past little while between a few of us, and while the end goal is never to get into a situation like that again, we have taken the time to talk with everyone that we can and get back onto decent terms so that we can all, here on FP and beyond, work towards our objectives and make every community we're involved with or indirectly associated with a good place to be. When @Noble and myself were promoted to Administrators the last thing we wanted was to come in and maintain the status quo. For a long time now the status quo has not been working. FP has been doing alright, but we've all known it could be doing much, much better, and so when the time came, we sat down, drew up some plans for what we would like to see FP become, and had a nice, long chat with @Camaroni about our vision moving forward.

Part of what makes us so excited about what's to come is that we can see a future for FP where things are more workable, more flexible. We had ideas, we had radical changes we wanted to push, and we had visions for what FP could become. There were a few speed bumps along the way, no one can deny that, but with things on good footing, we have begun slowly working on what we're currently calling "FP 2.0" or the next generation of Forum Promotion. Don't let that frighten you, FP will still have the same foundation it took nearly two decades to build, why would we lose that much history? But what we are aiming for is to build upon that foundation and put FP in a position to modernize and to be a workable, flexible platform into the future.

What does this mean, exactly? Well ideally we're going to be reworking a lot of core FP features and services to make them better for everyone. We are working on a new system for website battles, for instance, to promote more inclusion and less bias in voting methods. We're working on a fresh new look for the forums, we're working on new policies and guidelines to open the channels of communication as much as possible, and yes, we're looking at revamping the forum list, working on some new content and condensing some of the old to a more streamlined, functional format. The objective is simple -- make FP modern, bring things into the current era and get people excited to talk about forums again. We want FP to be an open, transparent place, and sadly that's something we can say has certainly been lacking in recent years. We have fleshed out our staff ranks a fair bit recently, putting people in place that we feel gives us the strongest team FP has had in a long, long time. We've also been far more open and transparent with everyone on staff about what has been happening, what they want to see changed, and what our vision is moving forward. We all have ideas, we all share them, we all try them out and we all work together to build things better. Our team feels like a team, like a cohesive unit and one I am so, so proud to be a small part of. We hope that this new open ideology reverberates throughout the entire FP community and that we can continue to openly share with everyone and be as transparent as we possibly can be so everyone on FP enjoys their time and makes the most of FP's features and services while they're here!

How does all of this take shape? Well, it won't be an overnight thing, and in fact it likely will take a very long time to get from concept to completion. We have a development environment where we are working on ideas and testing things to improve or replace existing parts of FP and we're working on new features to bring to FP, as well. We won't just surprise you and launch a new site overnight one day, so we plan to slowly phase in each change to let everyone get used to them and to not overload everyone as they come to terms with a new platform for FP to build upon. So the goal is to focus on the development environment, get the changes perfected as much as possible and slowly phase them in, one at a time, here on the live Forum Promotion forums. We're excited to see where this takes us, and we can't wait to show you the first core changes coming shortly!

But that's not the only thing we're looking at -- we want to hear from you! We want your suggestions for what you want to see in an FP 2.0, what you expect going forward and ideas you'd like to share for us to consider. You are as much a part of this as we are, so let's get some ideas going

We hope you're as excited as we are to start this new journey into FP 2.0, a brand new evolution for Forum Promotion in a new era.

Thanks all, for being a part of this wonderful community, and for placing your trust in us, the FP team, to do what is best for the community we all enjoy. Let's do this

-The FP Team

minor edit -- reworded parts of paragraphs as it could be misconstrued as insulting previous administrators. That is not our intent, at all, we love you all and thank you so much for laying the foundation that allows us to be here right now!
 
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Don’t ban me for saying this, lol. - but there’s a lot of work to be done. Even in your staff’s attitude. So hopefully that will be addressed too. FP currently has a bad reputation among many members because of recent events. So hopefully this is not a lost promise and you all work on a better future.

Put your community and its members on first place.
 
Don’t ban me for saying this, lol. - but there’s a lot of work to be done. Even in your staff’s attitude. So hopefully that will be addressed too. FP currently has a bad reputation among many members because of recent events. So hopefully this is not a lost promise and you all work on a better future.

Put your community and its members on first place.
No one's going to ban you for telling the truth 😉. You're right, things have been less than ideal before now, but we are working to change all of it. A more open communication with all of us, from the admins all the way down to our newest members, no one should feel that their opinions are discounted in any way. I recognize we've had issues in the past, but we want to try and make this a clean start, a clean break for all. We've had a good talk with staff about this, as well, a new era means exactly that, a new era.
 
Can't wait to see the changes to FP. We all need a fresh start. <3
 
Can't wait to see the changes to FP. We all need a fresh start. :heart:
Hopefully the changes will be to everyone's liking and we should start rolling the first of them out fairly soon 🙂
 
I am curious to see what changes may be made in the future. Bettering FP is fantastic and I truly hope these changes can kind of refresh how users use this forum and have a place of productivity in all parts.
 
Don’t ban me for saying this, lol. - but there’s a lot of work to be done. Even in your staff’s attitude. So hopefully that will be addressed too. FP currently has a bad reputation among many members because of recent events. So hopefully this is not a lost promise and you all work on a better future.

Put your community and its members on first place.
I cannot comment on previous attitudes of staff as I am new to the team, but you will get nothing of bias from me. I am open and honest at all times and will always be as fair as I can. 🙂
 
I cannot comment on previous attitudes of staff as I am new to the team, but you will get nothing of bias from me. I am open and honest at all times and will always be as fair as I can. 🙂
Sorry if it gave you the impression but this was not directed to you at all. From what I've seen, you're a decent and honest guy. But that can't be said about everyone. Now, I'm not here to start anything, so I'll leave that for what it is. But again, you're cool. 😉
 
Don’t ban me for saying this, lol. - but there’s a lot of work to be done. Even in your staff’s attitude. So hopefully that will be addressed too. FP currently has a bad reputation among many members because of recent events. So hopefully this is not a lost promise and you all work on a better future.

Put your community and its members on first place.
I can't comment on previous staff teams, as like others I am new to the team. However, what I will say is that I know reactions from staff haven't always been the best in the past, and yes, there's been times the CT have let down our members.

When I took over the team, I wanted to make the CT a friendlier, and more engaging team, and we have some absolutely brilliant people on-board to make that happen. At the end of the day we're all here because of you, the members.

If you ever feel things don't quite meet those expectations, or there's a situation that you felt has been wrongly handled, please contact me directly and ideally privately so I can look into it. I don't mind what's said, if there's some finger-pointing etc. as long as its done privately and with a genuine desire to make things better. I will always listen and look into things 🙂

On the topic of FP 2.0, super excited to see this happen!
 
Sorry if it gave you the impression but this was not directed to you at all. From what I've seen, you're a decent and honest guy. But that can't be said about everyone. Now, I'm not here to start anything, so I'll leave that for what it is. But again, you're cool. 😉
No, not taken as accusatory, I just wanted to clarify my thoughts and observations on the matter.
 
However, what I will say is that I know reactions from staff haven't always been the best in the past, and yes, there's been times the CT have let down our members.
Staff from the past I too feel didn't make very good calls, but a lot of the things I saw I didn't agree with happened many many years ago. That was just how some forums were ran at that time. We are in a new period of the Internet where rules and guidelines have become less strict on most sites and even forums. It is very hard to net a perma from most of these sites/forums/whatever.

I am curious to see what changes may be made in the future. Bettering FP is fantastic and I truly hope these changes can kind of refresh how users use this forum and have a place of productivity in all parts.
Thanks, it'll be great.
 
But that's not the only thing we're looking at -- we want to hear from you! We want your suggestions for what you want to see in an FP 2.0, what you expect going forward and ideas you'd like to share for us to consider. You are as much a part of this as we are, so let's get some ideas going
I think this is one of the more important points to address. A forum is only as good as its members. If the members are not content nor active, then a forum won't exist. This is not to say we can take every suggestion & implement them. It's saying we will LISTEN & you will be HEARD 🙂
 
I think this is one of the more important points to address. A forum is only as good as its members. If the members are not content nor active, then a forum won't exist. This is not to say we can take every suggestion & implement them. It's saying we will LISTEN & you will be HEARD 🙂
Absolutely agreed, we want as much feedback as we can possibly get, as many ideas as we can get, and we want to keep the channels open for solid two-way communication going forward.
 
If you all think about it, we already have seen changes from staff members revised and shuffled around. Little theme adjustments plus "Blog Contributions" as to more new content and blogs to read about. We all going to have good and bad but nothing new to what any other sites have to deal with. I like to know what the team is thinking about 😛 what they have up there sleeves or who they are banning 😛
 
If you all think about it, we already have seen changes from staff members revised and shuffled around. Little theme adjustments plus "Blog Contributions" as to more new content and blogs to read about. We all going to have good and bad but nothing new to what any other sites have to deal with. I like to know what the team is thinking about 😛 what they have up there sleeves or who they are banning 😛
That's the plan, openness and transparency
 
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Excited for the future of FP 🙂 and to see the changes, as i haven't been a member for that long so i don't under what has happened previously, but can't wait to see the changes and my future with FP as so far its been a pleasure being apart of FP.
 
Not going to lie,

I'm oblivious to anything and everything that had happened if anything. I started tuning all of that stuff out, as it's a broken record really. No offense to anyone.

This is the same story from every new team here at FP for over a decade. That's also coming from someone who at one point also was in a position of some capacity. Albeit with a previous owner. I experienced how toxic the staff team was at that time. The only one I actually enjoyed was Josh, he kept it real :laughing: (Edit: Oh, and Malcom I suppose 👀)

I'll give Cam one thing though, he has had FP the most stable though since it's original owner. It kind of became a meme of a new owner every other year for FP. I enjoy cam. Definitely has done some good for FP.

I do wish the best, truly. I believe some major overhauls need to be done. That's a personal opinion though. A tough pill to swallow is, the site can't just be geared towards "Forum Promotion" anymore. Ironically coming from someone who also owns a couple forums though 😛 The thing is, and I know this is also a broken record, forums are just not what they use to be.

I have a few secrets to spill now that it's been some time. Back when I was a technician and working with the previous owner, I was pretty close to him. There wasn't nothing I did that he wasn't aware about, and there were a lot of plans, and a lot of talks. Clearly, nothing had been done as he is no longer around, and I was no longer a technician. However, even at that time, "forums" were not what they use to be.

I joined discord a few months after it was released. I saw it becoming big, and I shoot myself in the foot for not following through, or at least doing something of my own. One of the things I was developing was a custom discord promotion tool for XenForo to be used on FP. Users would use the addon to promote their discord servers and bots similar to how a lot of those type of websites do today. There wasn't really anywhere to do that. Not long after, the discord bots. com website (Now top .gg) blew up. Imagine if that could have been FP? The userbase that could have gained, the traffic, the monetary value, etc. That of course, if it didn't only solely focus on forums which seems to be the mind set people are stuck on for FP.

There was another custom XenForo addon for a "postloop" type system for those who remember postloop. Albeit, this is something that is geared towards forums, but it was going to be something unique to a forum promotion type website nonetheless. Used the FP's own currency to work.

There were others, a lot of "grand" ideas that never came to fruition of course. Alas, still here doing the same thing 😛

I'm just saying, there needs to be more than just discussion around forums. The site needs to evolve or be left behind.

Nonetheless, PGen, you sound genuine, and enthusiastic, so looking forward to seeing what comes.
 
Not going to lie,

I'm oblivious to anything and everything that had happened if anything. I started tuning all of that stuff out, as it's a broken record really. No offense to anyone.

This is the same story from every new team here at FP for over a decade. That's also coming from someone who at one point also was in a position of some capacity. Albeit with a previous owner. I experienced how toxic the staff team was at that time. The only one I actually enjoyed was Josh, he kept it real :laughing: (Edit: Oh, and Malcom I suppose 👀)

I'll give Cam one thing though, he has had FP the most stable though since it's original owner. It kind of became a meme of a new owner every other year for FP. I enjoy cam. Definitely has done some good for FP.

I do wish the best, truly. I believe some major overhauls need to be done. That's a personal opinion though. A tough pill to swallow is, the site can't just be geared towards "Forum Promotion" anymore. Ironically coming from someone who also owns a couple forums though 😛 The thing is, and I know this is also a broken record, forums are just not what they use to be.

I have a few secrets to spill now that it's been some time. Back when I was a technician and working with the previous owner, I was pretty close to him. There wasn't nothing I did that he wasn't aware about, and there were a lot of plans, and a lot of talks. Clearly, nothing had been done as he is no longer around, and I was no longer a technician. However, even at that time, "forums" were not what they use to be.

I joined discord a few months after it was released. I saw it becoming big, and I shoot myself in the foot for not following through, or at least doing something of my own. One of the things I was developing was a custom discord promotion tool for XenForo to be used on FP. Users would use the addon to promote their discord servers and bots similar to how a lot of those type of websites do today. There wasn't really anywhere to do that. Not long after, the discord bots. com website (Now top .gg) blew up. Imagine if that could have been FP? The userbase that could have gained, the traffic, the monetary value, etc. That of course, if it didn't only solely focus on forums which seems to be the mind set people are stuck on for FP.

There was another custom XenForo addon for a "postloop" type system for those who remember postloop. Albeit, this is something that is geared towards forums, but it was going to be something unique to a forum promotion type website nonetheless. Used the FP's own currency to work.

There were others, a lot of "grand" ideas that never came to fruition of course. Alas, still here doing the same thing 😛

I'm just saying, there needs to be more than just discussion around forums. The site needs to evolve or be left behind.

Nonetheless, PGen, you sound genuine, and enthusiastic, so looking forward to seeing what comes.
You're right, there has been a lot of talk, and a lot of promises made, but we are actively working to enact changes. I can't speak to past owners or past administrators, I know a good many of them and they are good people with good intentions.

I can only speak for now, and at this point in time we have plans, yes ambitious, but also realistic, and we aim to enact those plans on the development environment and, as they're finished and tested, slowly roll them over here. I understand this isn't new to hear of such grandiose claims, but we have the ideas ready, we have plans behind most of them, we just need the time to put everything together. FP cannot sit still anymore, as you said yourself, FORUM promotion isn't a large selling point anymore, but will remain a part of FP going forward. That said, however, greater focus will be given to communities of all types so that we might extend our services and our audience beyond the forum realm. I grew up on forums, I adore them and I will have a forum of some kind in my life until they are technically too antiquated to maintain. But I am a realist and both Jay and I see that FP needs a complete overhaul. We won't abandon the foundation that made FP what it is, but we need to do our best to make it something enticing and sustainable for the long term.

We might be promising the moon by the sounds of it, but we beg your indulgence, we are here and we are working on our ideas daily to find the right solutions and the right tools to match our ambitions. FP's next generation is in the works, and it will include many of the things FP has needed for a very long time. We have Cam to thank for that, for allowing us to pursue these ideas and take FP beyond what it is now. He's a great leader, we have an amazing team in place right now, and FP as a whole is beyond ready for a breath of fresh air. We will do everything we possibly can to see that come to life.
 
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The thing is, and I know this is also a broken record, forums are just not what they use to be.
It maybe a broken record, but it is true. Forums are not near like what they used to be. Less forum owners these days since the effort just is not worth it IMO these days to run a forum. This is coming from someone who owns a forum and saw activity just take a dive without a reason.

I'm just saying, there needs to be more than just discussion around forums. The site needs to evolve or be left behind.
I do agree here too. The site just needs to either rebrand with a new name or something to indicate that it's not just a forum promotion...uhh forum?? I've had some people not join cause they had a normal website and assumed FP was just for forums.
 
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