Freedom from what exactly...?

[pandaa]

What significance does it have though? So what, even if we are "conditioned" to be human? We're here, in our one chance at life; shouldn't we make the best out of it? I don't see how it really even makes a difference, one way or another, whether a higher power gave us our privileges or not.

Answer this: why does it matter?

 

[Naiwen]

What significance does it have though? So what, even if we are "conditioned" to be human? We're here, in our one chance at life; shouldn't we make the best out of it? I don't see how it really even makes a difference, one way or another, whether a higher power gave us our privileges or not.

Answer this: why does it matter?

Because we wouldn't be fighting over it, if we were free from being human.

 

[pandaa]

Because we wouldn't fight over it, if we were free from being human.

Yeah, but we are human. Nothing can be changed about that. Why even consider what would happen if we weren't human, when that obviously won't happen?

 

[Naiwen]

Because we wouldn't fight over it, if we were free from being human.

Yeah, but we are human. Nothing can be changed about that. Why even consider what would happen if we weren't human, when that obviously won't happen?

But we could improve humanity by not fighting over it anymore...

 

[Twisted Fairytale]

Because we wouldn't fight over it, if we were free from being human.

Yeah, but we are human. Nothing can be changed about that. Why even consider what would happen if we weren't human, when that obviously won't happen?

But we could improve humanity by not fighting over it anymore...

Then isn't this thread doing more harm than good; considering your logic is flawless?

 

[Naiwen]

Because we wouldn't fight over it, if we were free from being human.

Yeah, but we are human. Nothing can be changed about that. Why even consider what would happen if we weren't human, when that obviously won't happen?

But we could improve humanity by not fighting over it anymore...

Then isn't this thread doing more harm than good; considering your logic is flawless?

No, it's worth talking over it, since it's big "human right" issue in the West eh?

And since we are all humans and can't be freed from it, what's the point to fight over it...? Ever thought about it...?

 

[pandaa]

What exactly are humans fighting over, in your mind? Because I can guarantee they're not fighting over supreme beings forcing them to maintain their basic human needs. I really don't understand your arguments anymore.

 

[Naiwen]

What exactly are humans fighting over, in your mind? Because I can guarantee they're not fighting over supreme beings forcing them to maintain their basic human needs. I really don't understand your arguments anymore.

So, why are we fighting over being human... then...? I think we
can agree on that eh, Pandaa?

 

[pandaa]

So, why are we fighting over being human... then...? I think we
can agree on that eh, Pandaa?

You still haven't answered my question.

What exactly are humans fighting over, in your mind? Because I can guarantee they're not fighting over supreme beings forcing them to maintain their basic human needs.

People aren't fighting over being human, unless you can prove me wrong by listing any examples.

 

[Naiwen]

So, why are we fighting over being human... then...? I think we
can agree on that eh, Pandaa?

You still haven't answered my question.

What exactly are humans fighting over, in your mind? Because I can guarantee they're not fighting over supreme beings forcing them to maintain their basic human needs.

People aren't fighting over being human, unless you can prove me wrong by listing any examples.

Yes they are: Afghanistan... Syria, China, Russia, US... and etc... and you'd be too naive to think otherwise...: there wouldn't wars or violence if we weren't fighting over who's the God/Saviour of Humanity... really. And that's my explanation for wars in
the world.

 

[pandaa]

That's actually not what those conflicts are about. Most, if not all, revolve around the issues of either democracy, nuclear or chemical weapons, terrorism, or resources such as oil. I fail to see how those issues tie into anything you were saying earlier. Sure, some issues may be religious based, but what does that have to do with freedom?

 

[Naiwen]

That's actually not what those conflicts are about. Most, if not all, revolve around the issues of either democracy, nuclear or chemical weapons, terrorism, or resources such as oil. I fail to see how those issues tie into anything you were saying earlier. Sure, some issues may be religious based, but what does that have to do with freedom?

these are merely excuses for supremacy fights (what we humans are best at and try to "justify" it in however way we can. Don't use these as "pretexts..." for these wars... and because we Humans are fighting over power (that's the real reason for these). If we could be freed from
this, we could be truly free from the evil in our hearts.

 

[pandaa]

I see how maybe we could be fighting for power, but how does that have ANYTHING to do with whether or not we were created by a higher life form? Your points aren't connecting and we're hardly talking about the same topic we were earlier.

 

[Naiwen]

I see how maybe we could be fighting for power, but how does that have ANYTHING to do with whether or not we were created by a higher life form? Your points aren't connecting and we're hardly talking about the same topic we were earlier.

Because a high power created us and made us thirsty for power, that's all.

 

[pandaa]

You're honestly just making claims. Can you backup any of this with solid evidence? Besides, this whole argument depends on the assumption that we were created, which is a completely different debate.

 

[Naiwen]

You're honestly just making claims. Can you backup any of this with solid evidence? Besides, this whole argument depends on the assumption that we were created, which is a completely different debate.

Lol, claims? Very clear to me that we humans are fighting for power (any kind of power: over resources... over other humans... and etc...)

I actually believe we humans love power more than anything else and can't let go of it...and therefore
can't be freed from it...

I think you agree that we are all humans, eh?

 

[Venom]

You're honestly just making claims. Can you backup any of this with solid evidence? Besides, this whole argument depends on the assumption that we were created, which is a completely different debate.

Lol, claims? Very clear to me that we humans are fighting for power (any kind of power: over resources... over other humans... and etc...)

I actually believe we humans love power more than anything else and can't let go of it...and therefore
can't be freed from it...

You where catagorizing races and sex/gender in another topic and now you're catagorizing humanity.

 

[Naiwen]

You're honestly just making claims. Can you backup any of this with solid evidence? Besides, this whole argument depends on the assumption that we were created, which is a completely different debate.

Lol, claims? Very clear to me that we humans are fighting for power (any kind of power: over resources... over other humans... and etc...)

I actually believe we humans love power more than anything else and can't let go of it...and therefore
can't be freed from it...

You where catagorizing races and sex/gender in another topic and now you're catagorizing humanity.

Yes... because we are all humans... so we all want the same thing: power...

 

[Venom]

No. You're now catagorizing an entire species as power hungry killers. I think what this really is, is a confession on how desperate for power you are.

 

[Naiwen]

No. You're now catagorizing an entire species as power hungry killers. I think what this really is, is a confession on how desperate for power you are.

No, because that's the harsh reality you're refusing to see. Humans=power-hungry. Every human on Earth is. So we must be freed from this: the desire
to over-power others : either by wealth, or etc...over-powering others or etc...