Freedom from what exactly...?

[Naiwen]

Yet you speak as I if you're a 'higher power', in denial and again avoiding the argument.

And you're obstinately refusing to see my point about being us all human...

And you're obstinately refusing to acknowledge the fact you are the one so desperate for control you created this thread. You have changed your argument immensely from weather a 'higher power' created 'us' , to feeling oppressed because you 'have' to eat to all humans desperate for power and control. That's how it works the delusions manifest until you believe them yourself.

Now if you said certain/some people where desperate for power then that would be totally a different story.

No... because everyone is... and that's my point and even you. I won't change my mind about this just because you think otherwise and because everyone is so inherently human.

Provide proof that I'm desperate for power. Not just manifestations of thoughts. My argument is backed up by the posts you make.

Maybe your dream was to become rich and have a powerful company and own lots of stuff (a car, a plane...) stop being in denial about ever wanting that.

 

[Venom]

Yet you speak as I if you're a 'higher power', in denial and again avoiding the argument.

And you're obstinately refusing to see my point about being us all human...

And you're obstinately refusing to acknowledge the fact you are the one so desperate for control you created this thread. You have changed your argument immensely from weather a 'higher power' created 'us' , to feeling oppressed because you 'have' to eat to all humans desperate for power and control. That's how it works the delusions manifest until you believe them yourself.

Now if you said certain/some people where desperate for power then that would be totally a different story.

No... because everyone is... and that's my point and even you. I won't change my mind about this just because you think otherwise and because everyone is so inherently human.

Provide proof that I'm desperate for power. Not just manifestations of thoughts. My argument is backed up by the posts you make.

Maybe your dream was to become rich and have a powerful company and own lots of stuff (a car, a plane...) stop being in denial about ever wanting that.

Again keyword and where your argument all falls apart. Maybe. This just proves that is an assumption and not proof.

Money: I think everyone would like enough money to have a comfortable life.

If I was rich I would donate money to the people that really need it. The people with noting. I still donate money but would be nice it I could donate a large sum.

Owning a car: a practicality in the modern world, and not like you can conquer the world in a fiat panda.

Plane: that would be rather nice actually, could use it to help evacuate people who get hit by some horrible natural crysis.

So yes you're right, I do dream about all the extra good I could do with those things.

 

[GamerPerfection]

I would define freedom as the ability to be able to make your own decisions, on your own free will. I'm not really sure why you have to free from something to be free. Freedom can simply mean the ability to exercise your free will, without having someone else control your future.

And that's only an illusion in our minds... nothing substantial... though are we ever going
to be free from eating, the need to drink and etc... no...?

Who wants to be free from eating and drinking? Life would be a misery without eating and drinking. There would be more unemployment, more homeless, and more killing because if we didn't need to eat and drink to survive people would live longer in general and the population would be even higher and overcrowded.

So answer me this question Naiwen because you avoid everyone elses questions..... why would you want to be free from eating and drinking, AND who wants to be free from it?

I don't want to be free from being human, so what does that do to your theories in this thread?

 

[Naiwen]

because people are "fighting/dying for "freedoms (which is the freedom from eating, breathing and even living...) which is ridiculous, by the way, because it doesn't exist, really, it's a just fickle idea from our heads/minds.

 

[GamerPerfection]

Who is fighting/dying for freedom from eating and breathing????

 

[Naiwen]

Who is fighting/dying for freedom from eating and breathing????

Everyone on Earth, (including you...) and since when? since the dawn of humanity.

 

[Eternal]

Who is fighting/dying for freedom from eating and breathing????

Everyone on Earth, (including you...) and since when? since the dawn of humanity.

I personally enjoy eating and breathing, and have never fought against that right.

 

[Taz]

Who is fighting/dying for freedom from eating and breathing????

Everyone on Earth, (including you...) and since when? since the dawn of humanity.

I personally enjoy eating and breathing, and have never fought against that right.

Thats because people are dying for your freedom.

 

[Eternal]

Who is fighting/dying for freedom from eating and breathing????

Everyone on Earth, (including you...) and since when? since the dawn of humanity.

I personally enjoy eating and breathing, and have never fought against that right.

Thats because people are dying for your freedom.

Unless I'm mistaken, the argument here is that we are fighting against wanting to eat and breathe. I don't think many people are fighting so they can no longer eat or breathe, that doesn't make much sense.

 

[Naiwen]

Who is fighting/dying for freedom from eating and breathing????

Everyone on Earth, (including you...) and since when? since the dawn of humanity.

I personally enjoy eating and breathing, and have never fought against that right.

Thats because people are dying for your freedom.

Unless I'm mistaken, the argument here is that we are fighting against wanting to eat and breathe. I don't think many people are fighting so they can no longer eat or breathe, that doesn't make much sense.

See.. how absurd your "freedom values/ideas" are...?XD So what are we fighting over for then...? Absolutely nothing. Why die for "freedom" then...?

 

[Eternal]

See.. how absurd your "freedom values/ideas" are...?XD So what are we fighting over for then...? Absolutely nothing. Why die for "freedom" then...?

Naiwen, you're making no sense. You are saying that everyone in the world should stop eating, and stop breathing. Thus, we all die. I can't even understand your argument.

 

[Naiwen]

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No, we shouldn't "die for our freedoms..." Or do we need to die for them...? No.

 

[pandaa]

No one is fighting to be free from eating or breathing, or living in general. I understand that people ARE fighting for other things, but they are not fighting to be free from eating or breathing.

You're really making no sense. Make one claim, stick to that one claim, and support it, and please, stop taking this discussion in a different direction.

 

[Naiwen]

No one is fighting to be free from eating or breathing, or living in general. I understand that people ARE fighting for other things, but they are not fighting to be free from eating or breathing.
?
You're really making no sense. Make one claim, stick to that one claim, and support it, and please, stop taking this discussion in a different direction.

Yes people are... fighting for space to live on Earth... you're the one who's blind
to the truth and reality...then tell me why are the resources getting scarcer?And why no much space to live on Earth... ? Why the expeditions to space then...?

 

[pandaa]

Yes people are... fighting for space to live on Earth... you're the who's blind
to the truth and reality...

I have to find a place to live in peace.
I am forced to eat this food to sustain my life, even though I wouldn't like to.

Those are different points, yet you say those are the EXACT same thing. So I have a hard time seeing how I'm blind to truth and reality.

 

[Naiwen]

Yes people are... fighting for space to live on Earth... you're the who's blind
to the truth and reality...

I have to find a place to live in peace.
I am forced to eat this food, even though I wouldn't like to.

Those are different points, yet you say those are the EXACT same thing. So I have a hard time seeing how I'm blind to truth and reality.

so, you're fighting for these "freedoms" yourself... and what I'm asking you is: why do we need to fight over for these...? When we people can live in peace, on Earth, our home...?

 

[pandaa]

Your arguments are making no sense, and this "debate" isn't even about the same issue that your original post is about. Thread locked.