Health Care Reform

[cityStatic]

What are your thoughts on the new Health Care Reform bill? With the vote tomorrow afternoon, both sides are very close.

Note: For US

Do you live in Canada or in the UK? How do you like your health care?

 

[David]

What are your thoughts on the new Health Care Reform bill? With the vote tomorrow afternoon, both sides are very close.

Really, the world isn't USA, nor is the owner or founder, so you may want to mention that this is for USA.

From what I've read, it seems like it will be historic, but of course, I'm not American, so I wouldn't know how this would impact on US citizens.

 

[cityStatic]

What are your thoughts on the new Health Care Reform bill? With the vote tomorrow afternoon, both sides are very close.

Really, the world isn't USA, nor is the owner or founder, so you may want to mention that this is for USA.

From what I've read, it seems like it will be historic, but of course, I'm not American, so I wouldn't know how this would impact on US citizens.

1- Thank you, Captain Obvious.

2- Currently, there are ~170 YES votes, and they need 200 to pass. There are 41 undecided. *crosses fingers*

 

[David]

1) No worries 😛
2) Sounds interesting. What's the best incentive in the bill? ie. free dental checkup :shrug:

 

[cityStatic]

2) Sounds interesting. What's the best incentive in the bill? ie. free dental checkup :shrug:

For the care? Probably it will stay when you change or lose your job. But not denying coverage to people with pre-existing medical conditions might pass that. And it's not really free, you have to pay for it with your tax. However, it's better than health care companies making 53 dollars per person in the United States (which is about 307 million people, according to the a study in July 2009), which makes all health care companies combined making >one trillion dollars per year.

 

[Watch Me Sink]

Yamiyo, crossing my fingers too. Once the bill doesn't go through the liberals will finally realize that their version of a health care "reform" will never work.

Government has already fucked over enough, let's not have them interfere with health care. This will only increase taxes and lower the quality of health care. I admit I haven't read the entire bill (I did read HR3200), but I have yet to see anything good about HR3590.

 

[el canadiano]

I'm Canadian. Our health-care benefits are not that much, but it at least gives us the basic checkup. Obama's on the money. No one in the developed world deserves to go bankrupt over a medical bill (it's unheard of outside the US, mind you). He'll also stop insurance companies from dropping someone's coverage if they call a claim, which is the right thing. Many insurance companies there have been relying on ripping customers off for overall profits. It's already bad enough that the FDA is so lenient. Over half of drugs in the United States will never set soil in Canada for the more obvious reasons. Drugs should never be considered for profit.

 

[Justin M]

Yamiyo, crossing my fingers too. Once the bill doesn't go through the liberals will finally realize that their version of a health care "reform" will never work.

Government has already f****d over enough, let's not have them interfere with health care. This will only increase taxes and lower the quality of health care. I admit I haven't read the entire bill (I did read HR3200), but I have yet to see anything good about HR3590.

The US spends more per capita on healthcare than just about any other country in the world, yet we have tens of millions without insurance. The WHO ranks the American healthcare system as 37th overall in the world, behind many countries with universal coverage. The Republicans have done such a good job into scaring the public into thinking universal coverage is bad it's almost impressive.

 

[cityStatic]

"But many wealthy countries -- including Germany, the Netherlands, Japan and Switzerland -- provide universal coverage using private doctors, private hospitals and private insurance plans."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01778.html

 

[Nuke]

It's destruction, not reform.

The liberals want Communism to be forced upon us, that is why this is being done.

America's debt is close to the GDP.

May I note that insurance companies are 4% of costs, whereas hospitals are 33%, doctors are 24%, and medicine is 11%? (There are various factors)

May I note that we already have free treatment but you still need to pay eventually, possibly with interest?

I shall also note, that medicare and medicaid drop 6% of patients from coverage, whereas, the highest insurance company rate is currently 3%.

 

[agentmanningctu]

Yamiyo, crossing my fingers too. Once the bill doesn't go through the liberals will finally realize that their version of a health care "reform" will never work.

Government has already f****d over enough, let's not have them interfere with health care. This will only increase taxes and lower the quality of health care. I admit I haven't read the entire bill (I did read HR3200), but I have yet to see anything good about HR3590.

I am going to agree here. The reason people can't afford health care is because they don't have jobs, and because they can't afford taxes. More taxes mean more people that can't afford rent, food, etc.

 

[Justin M]

It's destruction, not reform.

The liberals want Communism to be forced upon us, that is why this is being done.

America's debt is close to the GDP.

May I note that insurance companies are 4% of costs, whereas hospitals are 33%, doctors are 24%, and medicine is 11%? (There are various factors)

May I note that we already have free treatment but you still need to pay eventually, possibly with interest?

I shall also note, that medicare and medicaid drop 6% of patients from coverage, whereas, the highest insurance company rate is currently 3%.

Communism, are you bloody kidding me? For one, the public option is now out of the bill. Also, post some sources to back up those claims.

 

[cityStatic]

I shall also note, that medicare and medicaid drop 6% of patients from coverage, whereas, the highest insurance company rate is currently 3%.

They still have healthcare.

 

[_20_]

Why the hell is our President caring about a health care reform, when we have close to 11% unemployment rates, along with sky rocketed taxes and crucial systems falling apart like auto industry, aerotravel industry, banks and other major systems?

We should stop with this healthcare reform garbage, stop spending billions of dollars aiding countries getting hit by natural disasters and start focusing on getting ourselves back in shape. Oh, and stop with pointless wars.

 

[Justin M]

Why the hell is our President caring about a health care reform, when we have close to 11% unemployment rates, along with sky rocketed taxes and crucial systems falling apart like auto industry, aerotravel industry, banks and other major systems?

We should stop with this healthcare reform garbage, stop spending billions of dollars aiding countries getting hit by natural disasters and start focusing on getting ourselves back in shape. Oh, and stop with pointless wars.

The hundreds of billions in bailout money saved Wall Street from the mess they got themselves into, same with the auto industry. The ARRA did a bit for unemployment, but that's something you can't just fix overnight.

And stop sending money to disaster ridden countries... well that's just laughable.

 

[_20_]

The hundreds of billions in bailout money saved Wall Street from the mess they got themselves into, same with the auto industry. The ARRA did a bit for unemployment, but that's something you can't just fix overnight.

And stop sending money to disaster ridden countries... well that's just laughable.

Wall Street doesn't need saving. The stock market doesn't run the country, since we were doing fine even before the stock market was invented.

Something can't fix overnight? It's been over a year, and all Obama has done is fail miserably with the first healthcare reform, and we are still having layoffs like no tomorrow.

Laughable is it? Why should we help others, when all we get back in shit? Remember Hurricane Katrina? What about the California wild fires? No country came to help us at all.

You're probably too young to pay taxes, Justin?

 

[agentmanningctu]

Seiously? No country came to help?

And notice the countries we give aid to. Most of them are poor, undeveloped countries that seriously need that money.

 

[cityStatic]

Wall Street doesn't need saving. The stock market doesn't run the country, since we were doing fine even before the stock market was invented.

Then why was there a Great Depression? Because the stock market crash of 1929. Companies lost billions of dollars, banks closed, then the tariffs with European countries all because of the stock crash.

 

[Justin M]

The hundreds of billions in bailout money saved Wall Street from the mess they got themselves into, same with the auto industry. The ARRA did a bit for unemployment, but that's something you can't just fix overnight.

And stop sending money to disaster ridden countries... well that's just laughable.

Wall Street doesn't need saving. The stock market doesn't run the country, since we were doing fine even before the stock market was invented.

Something can't fix overnight? It's been over a year, and all Obama has done is fail miserably with the first healthcare reform, and we are still having layoffs like no tomorrow.

Laughable is it? Why should we help others, when all we get back in ****? Remember Hurricane Katrina? What about the California wild fires? No country came to help us at all.

You're probably too young to pay taxes, Justin?

The country may have run fine without it, but now much of our economy is now tied to the stock market. Remember the Great Depression?

Hurricane Katrina, the international community donated close to a billion dollars, along with aid crews and supplies. I can't find one for the wildfires right now.

 

[cityStatic]

Although this is off topic for the last few posts, here goes it.

For all you right-wingers:

[quote="Washington Post":1fwjlz77]The Senate bill includes a number of often-overlooked provisions designed to reduce the number of abortions. They include a $250 million grant program for young, pregnant women who need help with child care or college tuition, additional tax credits for adoptive parents, and $11 million for community health centers, which serve many poor women and are barred by federal law from offering abortion services. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius affirmed Friday the administration's commitment to that ban.[/quote]

Yet the only things in this bill are left-wing. :roll: