Homosexuality: Right or Wrong?

[Hotspot]

The bible doesn't "condemn" homosexuality, it just says it's wrong. The bible also says a man should cut off his right hand or gauge out his eyes if he looks at a girl inappropriately. I can nit pick anything out of any book and say anything bad about it and seem smart. I have a feeling you have no idea what you're talking about @Hotspot, and I feel you are being very naive against the bible. I believe you are taking words and verses out of the bible and taking them out of context when most of that was from the old testament and if you read the rest of the verse it would make sense.

But you just said on the other page that it is condemned. :shock:
Which is it? Condemned or a sin, or both?

Homosexuality is clearly condemned by the Bible...

Please don't post if you have no idea what you're talking about. Bible speaks specifically that Homosexuality is a sin.

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it just says it's wrong. The bible also says a man should cut off his right hand or gauge out his eyes if he looks at a girl inappropriately. I can nit pick anything out of any book and say anything bad about it and seem smart.

What I'm getting from what you said here, you do believe that homosexuality is a sin.. but you don't pay attention to this rule you just mentioned. So basically, what I got from your previous post is that you do 100% think that homosexuality is a sin, but you do not believe for a second that a man should cut off his hand or gauge his eyes if he looks at a girl.
I mean, I don't care whether anyone believes it's a sin or not.. but should you not follow every rule in the bible? Cause I'm sure it's supposed to be all or nothing, not "Oh, I like this rule, but not this one so I'll follow this one and not this one". (Which many people seem to do with just about any kind of rule system)
Just saying, it sounds kind of lop sided to me. 😱
I mean, if I was given a rule book and I had to follow all of the rules.. well.. I wouldn't trample over one and pay attention to certain ones, well I'd follow all of them!
If you ask me, most people who do trample over certain rules and not others... should trample over the homosexuality is a sin and not pay any attention to it, as it doesn't hurt anyone and homosexuality is as natural as anyone's hair color (Even if they're bald). But that's just my opinion.
But they should also abide to the golden rule, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".. there's lot's of haters these days!

I have a feeling you have no idea what you're talking about @Hotspot, and I feel you are being very naive against the bible. I believe you are taking words and verses out of the bible and taking them out of context when most of that was from the old testament and if you read the rest of the verse it would make sense.

Well then.. I do admit I can be naive about various things..I do know some things about the bible, maybe not everything.. But I definitely know something! Perhaps it is just my happy go lucky nature with a thrill for adventure that caught your eye? It sounds to me like you think I'm pulling all of these views and thoughts of mine out of my butt, in which I am not. I thoroughly think all of the views that I made in my previous post, if it doesn't make sense.. I would never tell anyone it. Most of them are in fact thoughts and views that I have had for two years and as the days pass I learn more and more about these views and how I can make the stronger and more understanding. I am not simply making things up to just say that I disagree with the statement that homosexuality is a sin; I am speaking logical opinions and ideas that I have learned over the years.
I pointed out facts and views about this one passage about homosexuality being an "Abomination", the other "verses" that I posted were just other quotes that many people find odd and do not pay attention to "Trample on" if you will. Whether I took them out of context or not, that isn't much of the point here.. I was merely stating some examples to further grasp the fact that not all of the quotes in the bible are very sensible in which many people disagree with, especially various religious people.
If you ask me, if I was naive about it.. then I probably would have said something completely insane, rather than something from the bible.. maybe if not completely correct.. at least partially correct to some degree.
It's not like I said....
"Being gay is an abominashun because Jesus had a gay friend and his gay friend was mad at him, so they unfriended each other and since then, Jesus hates gay people and thinks they're abominations! Also, he went to the moon in a space ship and became the first king of Mars."
Now that would be complete stupidity; at least I knew something about what I was talking about.. I didn't go on some strange rant about Jesus going to mars or something else insane, incorrect and impossible.



It all really shouldn't matter anyway, as Jesus died for everyone's sins.. so even if it was a sin.. it wouldn't be as big of a deal as it may seem.

 

[Zaborg]

Well, after reading these walls of text, I just want to say that who cares what the Bible says, really.

You can't choose to be gay or straight. (When did YOU choose to be straight? When did YOU choose to be gay? ...exactly.)

And the Bible has got nothing to do with it since you are not born from the book. (If that makes any sense.)

 

[Wrecks]

That and why should you chain yourself to a bible and live by everything it says? That's not living or even being your own person.

 

[Watch Me Sink]

Well, after reading these walls of text, I just want to say that who cares what the Bible says, really.

You can't choose to be gay or straight. (When did YOU choose to be straight? When did YOU choose to be gay? ...exactly.)

And the Bible has got nothing to do with it since you are not born from the book. (If that makes any sense.)

I chose to be straight after I saw Emma Watson and Elisha Cuthbert.

 

[death180]

I chose to be straight after I saw Emma Watson and Elisha Cuthbert.

Ditto.

 

[pandaa]

I think love is love. I'm not personally gay, but I have no problem with those who choose to be. It's their life. 🙂

 

[Jonathan]

Some of the arguments here have been so appalling and absurd I've found this thread quite difficult to read. If you want to defend homosexuals, don't start telling people to disregard what is written in the Bible. If that is people's religion, they have every right to and they most certainly will think that is is a holy book that speaks truth. Is that so surprising?

The fact is that the Bible tells people most distinctly to love thy neighbour. If your neighbour puts his willy in another dude's poopdy poopdy then such it is. I do advocate responsible and contextual reading of the Bible, but people can choose to interpret it how they like with as many contradictions as they care to make sense of.

 

[NBK*Twitch]

Some of the arguments here have been so appalling and absurd I've found this thread quite difficult to read. If you want to defend homosexuals, don't start telling people to disregard what is written in the Bible. If that is people's religion, they have every right to and they most certainly will think that is is a holy book that speaks truth. Is that so surprising?

The fact is that the Bible tells people most distinctly to love thy neighbour. If your neighbour puts his willy in another dude's poopdy poopdy then such it is. I do advocate responsible and contextual reading of the Bible, but people can choose to interpret it how they like with as many contradictions as they care to make sense of.

Well I got a honest question for you then or anyone who is a bible follower.

Why do you put so much belief and faith in a book written over 2000 years ago, translated over 100 times, and gives no real proof of anything it says. The only people who believe in it so much is other people who have this "faith" that is true.

Again this is a real question, im not trolling or trying to start crap. I am just confused how people could live their life by a single book...

 

[Jonathan]

Some of the arguments here have been so appalling and absurd I've found this thread quite difficult to read. If you want to defend homosexuals, don't start telling people to disregard what is written in the Bible. If that is people's religion, they have every right to and they most certainly will think that is is a holy book that speaks truth. Is that so surprising?

The fact is that the Bible tells people most distinctly to love thy neighbour. If your neighbour puts his willy in another dude's poopdy poopdy then such it is. I do advocate responsible and contextual reading of the Bible, but people can choose to interpret it how they like with as many contradictions as they care to make sense of.

Well I got a honest question for you then or anyone who is a bible follower.

Why do you put so much belief and faith in a book written over 2000 years ago, translated over 100 times, and gives no real proof of anything it says. The only people who believe in it so much is other people who have this "faith" that is true.

Again this is a real question, im not trolling or trying to start crap. I am just confused how people could live their life by a single book...

I'm not a Christian and I do not live my life by the Bible, so this is not a question that I can answer. People believe it as it is what they have grown up with and they have faith in that, though.

 

[SpeakWhatsReal]

Some of the arguments here have been so appalling and absurd I've found this thread quite difficult to read. If you want to defend homosexuals, don't start telling people to disregard what is written in the Bible. If that is people's religion, they have every right to and they most certainly will think that is is a holy book that speaks truth. Is that so surprising?

The fact is that the Bible tells people most distinctly to love thy neighbour. If your neighbour puts his willy in another dude's poopdy poopdy then such it is. I do advocate responsible and contextual reading of the Bible, but people can choose to interpret it how they like with as many contradictions as they care to make sense of.

Well I got a honest question for you then or anyone who is a bible follower.

Why do you put so much belief and faith in a book written over 2000 years ago, translated over 100 times, and gives no real proof of anything it says. The only people who believe in it so much is other people who have this "faith" that is true.

Again this is a real question, im not trolling or trying to start crap. I am just confused how people could live their life by a single book...

Just because the bible has been translated because time increases and words change? The bible is translated to accommodate for new words that we would never understand 😉 Look at the old king james, example:

(KjaMES) "...the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ....."

(NIV) "...the covenant previously established by God

It's the same thing, so you saying just because the bible has been translated is a very weak argument.

More: http://www.bereancall.org/newsletters/foundations.htm

 

[froggyboy604]

I support people who are homosexual, bisexual, and lesbian since everybody should be able to love any gender who they are attracted to.

 

[nazmeen]

Of course wrong

 

[Gimgak]

Of course wrong

What's wrong about it

 

[NBK*Twitch]

Of course wrong

Mind explaining yourself? Whats wrong about it?

Is it wrong just cause your precious bible says so? Come on don't be shy tell us why you feel it is wrong.

 

[Faker]

Of course wrong

did he really just sign up to say that?...

 

[Hotspot]

Of course wrong

did he really just sign up to say that?...

Looks like it. :lol:

Probably just some hater that bumped into this forum.

 

[wyldeflower]

I have no problems with anyone not Homosexual /Gay/Lesbian anything you want to call it i am also not predudiced against other races..The only thing i have a problem with is the way some people conduct themself the way they act and the deeds they do no one is perfect but some people now seem to have become very cruel and unkind to others..

 

[Christian]

I really don't care. Really. 2 people want to marry each other? Fine by me, I'm not invited and don't need to buy gifts, so yeah, don't really care.

Let's grow up, let's evolve...whatever.

 

[sapper]

I'm absolutely for gay rights. First of all, the bible doesn't say that being homosexual is a sin, it says selling your body as a male is a sin. I can guarantee being gay is not a choice. We don't chose to be straight, do we?

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Not strictly true, in Levicticus it states that lying with mankind, as with womankind should be prohibited.

There are tales of men having what experts call platonic realtionships, but homosexuality is not directly mentioned.

-- 17 Jul 2012, 17:24 --

t's not like being Jewish, it's impossible to change

Wait wait what? I mean I know that there were some Jews in WW2 that hitler "converted" and made into aryans or whatever nonsense but I don't think you can change your race. You can become religiously Jewish yes, but you're usually also ethnically Jewish 😛.

Jew isn't a race since people can convert.

They can convert to Judaism, sure. But that's just the religion, the Jewish people are a race as much as they are a religion, probably more.

Judaism is a religious culture, not a race, Jews are not a race, they are members of the human race like the rest of us.<br /><br />-- 17 Jul 2012, 17:35 --<br /><br />At the moment being "Gay" is the fashionable thing to be, that is my opinion, just like it was to be a skinhead, a suedehead or a punk, it's all similar.

There is nothing wrong in claiming to be gay, nothing wrong at all, what is wrong is the way some, and I say some, shove it in your face, I think it's referred to as "openly gay", do I go around being "openly heterosexual" not, because I don't feel the need to, yet every gay bloke I know. seems to have this need to speak and act effeminately, wear bits of make up, FFS get a life.

There is also evidence, that some STD's are more common to gay sex than hetero sex, yet that has been brushed under the carpet.

The best bit of advice I was ever given was by my Dad and it's a bit so I'll clean it up.

Spoiler

You wouldn't walk around in a sewer naked, so why put your todger in a pooh pipe

 

[Hotspot]

At the moment being "Gay" is the fashionable thing to be, that is my opinion, just like it was to be a skinhead, a suedehead or a punk, it's all similar.

The only time being gay is fashionable is when people who aren't gay, say they are gay. Which I think is the reason why some people think being gay is a choice; which it is not. Unless of course they are just pretending.
Saying that being gay is an in thing is just ridiculous, why would anyone want to be a part of a group that is widely hated by others? Why would they do that? Why would they let themselves be discriminated against? It makes no sense unless you are truly a homosexual and you cannot change that fact because it is a part of you.
Anyone who is just pretending to be gay, are ridiculous people who probably do not understand what homosexuals have to go through.
Some people can be fired from a job, beaten and sometimes even be murdered for being gay.

There is nothing wrong in claiming to be gay, nothing wrong at all, what is wrong is the way some, and I say some, shove it in your face, I think it's referred to as "openly gay", do I go around being "openly heterosexual" not, because I don't feel the need to, yet every gay bloke I know. seems to have this need to speak and act effeminately, wear bits of make up, FFS get a life.

I can understand being annoyed if someone shoves it in your face; but if they are effeminate and wear make up. They are not shoving it in anyone's face, that is just who they are.... they are just more feminine than other men. That is not shoving it in anyone's face; if they were shoving it in your face, they would be telling you gay things and maybe even try to get you to be gay. (Even though you can't because you're obviously a heterosexual)
Some men are feminine, some men are masculine. Some women are feminine and some are masculine.
It's what someone is, they are just like that. It's not shoving it down your throat at all.

There is also evidence, that some STD's are more common to gay sex than hetero sex, yet that has been brushed under the carpet.

I've heard that heterosexuals are more likely to get STD's.
There are more of them for starters.
But I don't know about that because I hear all sorts of stories so I do not know that truth.

The best bit of advice I was ever given was by my Dad and it's a bit so I'll clean it up.

Spoiler

You wouldn't walk around in a sewer naked, so why put your todger in a pooh pipe

That is so ignorant of rude u.u"

All because it's not for one person, doesn't mean it's not for another! I don't really understand how that can possibly be advice at all, for anyone...

Let's make an example....

I hate the game Final Fantasy VII.... Hate hate hate that game.
BUT! I won't hate people who do like the game.... everyone is different after all.
It's not a game for me, but it's a game for other people.


If you ask me, heterosexuals tend to shove their sexuality down my throat.
I mean, they talk about their children, show baby pictures, ask me if I have a girlfriend. (Which I don't, because I am not into girls.) Then they all automatically assume that I am a heterosexual, which is rude because people should not assume things.
But I do not do that to them, only one person at my job knows I am a homosexual and that is because I befriended her on facebook; where it says what gender I am interested in.
I myself and deathly afraid of people knowing my sexuality, because I don't want them to hate me for it... since homosexuals are widely hated.

If you ask me, it's the other way around!

Just look at the media, it's always about straight people and all the TV show characters are heterosexual... not homosexual.
It's a heterosexual persons world out there...
If a homosexual gets some acknowledgement, of course heterosexuals are going to complain about it! >.>
It's always about the heterosexuals... if you ask me. :/
I think maybe the reason why you think they're shoving it down your throat is because it's not something you are used to; many people hate and fear change. So when something different comes a long, people tend to not accept it.