Joy Division said:
Where did I say I would not forgive a homo? No where. Homos have extra rights http://www.infowars.com/oregon-business ... ke-a-cake/
Homosexuality: Right or Wrong?
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Where did I say I would not forgive a homo? No where. Homos have extra rights http://www.infowars.com/oregon-business ... ke-a-cake/
Joy Division
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John123 said:
Maybe you can explain these extra rights ' homos ' have over straight people?
Joy Division said:
http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/ ... 32296.html
http://www.infowars.com/oregon-business ... ke-a-cake/
https://www.aclu.org/maps/non-discrimin ... mation-map
http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/20 ... _righ.html
This is not "equality" this is one sided laws
John123 said:
I still don't see how that gives them extra rights. Those links are all about anti-discrimination laws -- which essentially just give them the same rights that straight people already have. There is no law that gives people of a different sexuality the right to anything that straight people do not have, is there? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
The only "one sided laws" and "extra rights" are the rights straight people have that others do not -- for example, marriage.
Joy Division
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John, those links you just posted up are discriminatory!
I'm straight masked but I must admit the thought of two men having sexual relations is disgusting to me, now that doesn't mean me or any other guy feeling that way is homophobic ..just that I'm straight and only attracted to femininity.
But I wouldnt judge or act in anyway discriminatory against a gay person for only they know how they feel.
Let's just say you and a few friends went out for a drink and upon ordering drinks the Barman said to you ..." You have a St.Christopher on your kneck..are you a Christian?" And you said yes ..
The Barman replies " Christians are not welcome here"
Then he said to your friend.." Your black I don't serve black people here" ..
That would be discrimanotry on both counts..some will even say racist as far as the black friend goes!
Gay and colored people have a right to be protected from abuse and discrimination too John..otherwise we would have a hateful and racist society.
People are the way they are and just like drug addicts and alcoholics did not ask to be born gay.
I would have no problem chatting with a black man or a gay man,why should I?...
In the UK we have a political party who target and encourage hatred of Muslims while pretending to have no issues.
We are all human and neither you or I are better than someone else simply because they are gay , black or Muslim.
If say for example local housing authorities had a policy of prioritising gay or black people before white / straight people then I would agree that would also be discrimanotry , but I can't see anywhere in any of those links that gay people are being favored or getting any kind of special treatment above and beyond straight people.
In fact , the guy refusing to bake a cake for a gay couple refuses to do so because he doesn't like gay people ..
You wouldn't say that's discrimatory then ?
The only one sided I can see are people objecting to gay people and the guy refusing to bake a cake for a gay couple ..although the claim amount is harsh.
I would have thought a real Christian would have no problems with gay people or gay marriage, so it's a sin because some wee bible says so?
-- 06 Feb 2015, 00:52 --
Totally agree with that TL.
Gay people are not doing you any personal harm ..are they?
I'm straight masked but I must admit the thought of two men having sexual relations is disgusting to me, now that doesn't mean me or any other guy feeling that way is homophobic ..just that I'm straight and only attracted to femininity.
But I wouldnt judge or act in anyway discriminatory against a gay person for only they know how they feel.
Let's just say you and a few friends went out for a drink and upon ordering drinks the Barman said to you ..." You have a St.Christopher on your kneck..are you a Christian?" And you said yes ..
The Barman replies " Christians are not welcome here"
Then he said to your friend.." Your black I don't serve black people here" ..
That would be discrimanotry on both counts..some will even say racist as far as the black friend goes!
Gay and colored people have a right to be protected from abuse and discrimination too John..otherwise we would have a hateful and racist society.
People are the way they are and just like drug addicts and alcoholics did not ask to be born gay.
I would have no problem chatting with a black man or a gay man,why should I?...
In the UK we have a political party who target and encourage hatred of Muslims while pretending to have no issues.
We are all human and neither you or I are better than someone else simply because they are gay , black or Muslim.
If say for example local housing authorities had a policy of prioritising gay or black people before white / straight people then I would agree that would also be discrimanotry , but I can't see anywhere in any of those links that gay people are being favored or getting any kind of special treatment above and beyond straight people.
In fact , the guy refusing to bake a cake for a gay couple refuses to do so because he doesn't like gay people ..
You wouldn't say that's discrimatory then ?
The only one sided I can see are people objecting to gay people and the guy refusing to bake a cake for a gay couple ..although the claim amount is harsh.
I would have thought a real Christian would have no problems with gay people or gay marriage, so it's a sin because some wee bible says so?
-- 06 Feb 2015, 00:52 --
Totally agree with that TL.
Gay people are not doing you any personal harm ..are they?
John123 said:
The main purpose of marriage is not to have children, its a union between two people who love each other, what establishes a legal contract that creates rights and obligations between the spouses. So for example, they would be able to make executive decisions about life support. Many people are married and they don't have any children, many people are not married and have children and don't want to get married. So to say that is unfounded, also they are not looking religious marriage, they are looking for civil marriage, which just gives them more rights to look after there loved one.
So the whole debate about religion is useless, as I think many gay couples dont care about the religious marriage aspect, but are just looking for civil marriage. So they are not getting more rights, they are getting the same rights as any hetrosexual couple. You probably need to look into the whole thing, and understand the law a bit more. A good documentary to watch is Bridegrooms, and it will show the inequality at the moment for gay couples.
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Jonathan said:
People should be themselves!
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100% opposed presumably?Nogitsune said:
I personally do not see why people are so up in arms about allowing gay couples marry. Just because they do not practice your religion or share your views does not mean they should not get the right to marry the ones they love.
I can see how people think the gays are flaunting and pushing their ways onto the community, but in all honesty we kind of have to, otherwise how else are we going to be heard? I'm gay and I do not go flaunting it around everywhere I go, and most gays don't either. And the ones who do are no different from those who are straight and have a big head about them.
And if you want to go off of religion, God does in fact say you should love they neighbor, and I'm pretty sure making signs saying we will go to hell and what not is not doing that. 😛 Ya'll also are not supposed to judge, and yet......
It's really annoying when people use their religion to make an excuse as to why they have to deny the rights of those who do not share the same views. Everyone is a human being, religion or not, and everyone should have the same rights despite sexuality or race. It's quite clear that America does not like change, because lets look at how horrible the blacks were treated. And now gays have to go through the same thing. Religion or not, a person is a person.
I personally do not care if you accept or support gay rights, however when people go out of their way to bully and tease, and to send death threats to those who are gay is plain mean and stupid and you should not be able to use your religion as an excuse for doing so. The world does not revolve around just one religion, or else many laws here in the United States would be changed and/or added.
It's a shame really; I do not get it in the slightest. We are not monsters, we do not have fangs that help us drink your blood; we are humans with the same feelings that everyone else has. Just because someone does not see the same values as you, does not mean you can bully or disrespect them.<br /><br />-- May 30th, 2015, 7:34 pm --<br /><br />
So those mothers who cannot have babies, who adopt their children, cannot get married? That seems a little weird, don't you think?
And gays do not get "extra" rights; it might seem like it but in reality they are only passing laws that already exist for straight people. Marrige is a right you have, which is one we do not. And most laws have to do with anti-discriminatory which is not an extra right, it's rights you already have and you don't even know it.
I can see how people think the gays are flaunting and pushing their ways onto the community, but in all honesty we kind of have to, otherwise how else are we going to be heard? I'm gay and I do not go flaunting it around everywhere I go, and most gays don't either. And the ones who do are no different from those who are straight and have a big head about them.
And if you want to go off of religion, God does in fact say you should love they neighbor, and I'm pretty sure making signs saying we will go to hell and what not is not doing that. 😛 Ya'll also are not supposed to judge, and yet......
It's really annoying when people use their religion to make an excuse as to why they have to deny the rights of those who do not share the same views. Everyone is a human being, religion or not, and everyone should have the same rights despite sexuality or race. It's quite clear that America does not like change, because lets look at how horrible the blacks were treated. And now gays have to go through the same thing. Religion or not, a person is a person.
I personally do not care if you accept or support gay rights, however when people go out of their way to bully and tease, and to send death threats to those who are gay is plain mean and stupid and you should not be able to use your religion as an excuse for doing so. The world does not revolve around just one religion, or else many laws here in the United States would be changed and/or added.
It's a shame really; I do not get it in the slightest. We are not monsters, we do not have fangs that help us drink your blood; we are humans with the same feelings that everyone else has. Just because someone does not see the same values as you, does not mean you can bully or disrespect them.<br /><br />-- May 30th, 2015, 7:34 pm --<br /><br />
PoH said:
So those mothers who cannot have babies, who adopt their children, cannot get married? That seems a little weird, don't you think?
And gays do not get "extra" rights; it might seem like it but in reality they are only passing laws that already exist for straight people. Marrige is a right you have, which is one we do not. And most laws have to do with anti-discriminatory which is not an extra right, it's rights you already have and you don't even know it.
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There's nothing wrong with homosexuals. There's no need to be against them.
I hate seeing others get discriminated against because of their sexuality. I don't think a natural part of who you are should be considered wrong. Who you're attracted to is outside your control - how can we call something that's not even a decision wrong? Just my thoughts of course :/
For those who did not know. Homosexuality within human race was present way before modern ages. During middle ages some knights preferred young boys for some reasons, I can't recall why, but there was a good article back in the past I have read about this. Homosexuality is also present in the animal word. It is nothing new. Is it natural. No. But everyone has their own choice, or should at least have their own choice. I have nothing against the homosexuality itself or homosexuals but one thing I never liked were the parades. In the beginning it made sense, they were bringing out problems and showing people that hate towards homosexuality was a big issue. But any parade of such kind happening nowadays seems more like provocation to me, IMHO. There is no need for it anymore.
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