How to deal with unreasonable people

Cosmic

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If a forum gets big enough, and old enough, then its mods and admins will eventually have to deal with unreasonable people. As one such unreasonable person, I know this just as well as anybody. And the odds are you do too, because everyone can be unreasonable at times. That’s just human nature. And the discerning admin has to understand this, or they will be in quite a bit of trouble when unreasonable people show up. In this thread, I’d like to share some of my experience for other admins here on FP on the strategies that I found were successful when dealing with unreasonable people.

First, people are proud. They don’t like to apologize, and they get angry when they feel like they are being disrespected. It can be tempting to try to shut them down, because forum admins have a lot of powers to shut people down. But this is dangerous, because by shutting them down, you simply make them angrier. It’s like responding to a leaky boat by pouring the water back into the ocean, rather than addressing the problem at its source. It’s like letting steam build up in an engine instead of releasing the pressure through a valve. That pressure will build up and explode if you don’t let it out. Overmoderating will keep building up that pressure, until it causes even more damage than it would have if let out gradually.

The key to dealing with unreasonable people is to be respectful to them. Do not shut them down, but let them talk. Let them let loose their steam, so that they don’t explode. Once that steam is all out, then they will be more constructive, and conversation can continue as normal.

Apologizing is a super power. Most people don’t like to apologize because it hurts their pride. They think it makes them look bad, but actually it doesn’t. Learn to apologize, because an apology will instantly make your members happy. And do it sincerely. Do not apologize for impressions. Don’t say “I’m sorry you feel that way,” say “I’m sorry I did X.” The more the apology hurts, the more effective it is.

The way to deal with tension on a forum, from a position of authority, is to be calm, respectful, and sincere. You have to do all of these, not just one of these, or it won’t be enough. If you make a mistake, apologize for it. Be open and accepting. Ask for input, and for ideas. And actually implement them. This makes members proud to be a part of your community.

If there is tension on a thread, never lock it. That will let the steam build up. Defuse the tension. Post to ease the conversation in a better direction. This is the great art of moderation — do not use the tools unless you absolutely must.

Those tools exist for a reason, so how do you use them? First, use them to the minimum degree possible. Never is preferred, and only after copious and explicit warning. Occasionally you may have to use them. When you do, use the minimum. Moderator queue works well, sometimes light restrictions. Only ban people who are are a threat to the safety of the community. But remember, using those tools is an admission that you have lost, because you have failed to solve the problem peacefully.

Spam bots, of course, are another matter, because they are not contributing as real people, but just to advertise their site. Ban those instantly. And trolls are a thing too. Generally, trolls contribute absolutely nothing to a site. They are people who, after you are optimally kind to then, still take delight in the suffering of others. Discerning trolls from humans is another great art of moderation — sometimes it’s easy, sometimes it’s hard. The key difference is that a real human being will respond to gestures of kindness and respect, while a troll will just keep on trolling.

Be open. Foster a discussion. Rise above everything. That is the only way to deal with tension on a forum in a lasting way. At least in my opinion.

Does anyone here have a different perspective? This is what I learned as an admin and mod who made many mistakes. I found that this approach diffused tension the best. Though perhaps it is different for other communities. I am very interested in what other perspectives people here have, since we all have communities here and have to deal with tension from time to time.
 
I agree that sometimes we become unreasonable but it should not be up to the extent of a violent reaction on posts of our "enemy" so to speak. I have experienced a closely-knit local forum where members got into factions and started harassing other members. The unreasonableness of those members led to the division of the community. Maybe if we would treat the community as a brotherhood then there will be a semblance of respect that will lead to harmony.
 
I have learned from my observation of joint family. Such places need one strong leader who doesn't show much emotions and just carries out what he or she is supposed to do. This way many other followers, trolls and members of that family tend to manage. If the owner also becomes playful joyful among the trolls and the unreasonable people. Things usually escalate towards ban and block for sometime etc. Sometimes the people at the top have to decide how much they have to mingle with people below. The mentality of "equal" treatment to all and hierarchical attention based treatment to please people does not work.
 
Good thread but at times as an admin it can be hard and even upsets admins and maybe they feel they have so much steam.
 
Cosmic, you've made a lot of great points!!

On my board if there is a flamefest in a thread it will get locked for a cool down which is supposed to be 24 hours but I forget to open it and then someone has to remind me.

Our trouble makers are not unique to our site...they're usually trouble on other sites as well. Has anyone else encountered this? I try to search out new members to see how they act on other sites.

We have a separate forum where Admins can discuss their posting style privately so as not to humiliate those members in front of the forum. We show them their current style and try to offer suggestions of how it could have been worded differently to avoid conflict, hurt feelings, etc... It doesn't always work. Some members don't see what others see in their posts or posting style.
 
I agree that admins can be wrong and make mistakes. That they should recognise they have erred and apologise. That said, they should never apologise if they aren't in the wrong and never to diffuse a situation. All that does is create the impression that the admin is a pushover. Don't give in to people who are being unreasonable. If they want something that just isn't going to happen then level with them. At that point they can either understand they're being unreasonable and back down or they can keep going and escalate the situation until it forces staff intervention.

Realistically if there is a member who is being completely unreasonable/irrational and causing problems you deal with them. Whether that means a message like: "Hey, we know you're passionate about this but please watch your manners." or a more strict "What you just did in <topic> was unacceptable... don't do that again." to even a temporary ban to get them to cool off. Sometimes there are people who cross the line of acceptable behaviour so far/fast that banning outright is the only step.
Like if they dox someone over a disagreement? You're gone with no warning at all.
 
There are some people that are unreasonable. I'm okay with trying to work things out, however, there may be some instances where that can't be done. If the person's behavior is unacceptable and they won't listen to reason, sometimes you have to give them a ban to ensure the mental and emotional health of the rest of the community. It's not my wish to ban people and it's not my first reaction either. But sometimes, there are people out there that will give you no other choice. But that's the art of being an admin/moderator on a forum. Learning to deal with that and decide which is the better action to take.
 
Step one: Learning how to identify an unreasonable person especially when that unreasonable person just so happens to be you. I think a lot of people going into this thinking they are never ever being unreasonable when they very well might be which can cause all sorts of problems.

A tip I could throw out there to deal with this would be to turn the expectation on yourself and ask " if this was being expected of me, would I be OK with it? If the answer is no then you are being unreasonable and if the answer is yes then you aren't being unreasonable.
 
Spam bots, of course, are another matter, because they are not contributing as real people, but just to advertise their site.

Those are pretty much a "piece of cake" these days. Too bad I didn't know how to stop them when I first got into web development! Just make the user registration a thing where the people have to answer a question backward like: "What is egnaro spelled backward?".
 
I can assure you in my 11 years as staff on our current community that I have come across people that just cannot be reasoned with. I could probably count them on one hand, but they have happened. Our previous forum had the #1 ranking on google for "anime forums" and this meant that we got a lot of signups. While that's awesome, it also means that you're more likely to end up with some horrible people too.

Each and every person that I personally permabanned was met with a positive reaction from the community because they had been pretty disruptive. That is, after giving them chances to improve their behaviour. I have never banned someone because I simply didn't get along with them or didn't like them. In cases where a member just had some kind of personality clash with me, I wouldn't poke the sleeping bear, I'd ask another member of staff to deal with them. Other staff often did the same asking me to have a chat with someone that they couldn't cope with. This avoids you being accused of being biased in your decisons or using your powers to silence people you disagree with.

Example: Since we formed Sakuga City 2 years ago, administration has permabanned 1 person. That person was skirting around the rules for years though, long before we formed the new site. We used to be able to talk to him, and he'd behave. His behaviour became much, much worse. I even saved his last PM to me because it was unbelievable. I have never seen anything so nutty before in my life. He wasn't attacking me or anything, but trying to justify his intolerance of others. One of the other admins banned him for that PM. I was still kinda shocked and thinking about what to do about it. lol. Not only did he send it to me, but he had sent it around to other members who informed me about the PM on social media before I even got to read it myself. The members were like "OMG Shannon! I just read the PM he sent you!" I was like "What PM?" His ban didn't come as a surprise to anyone.
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As for tension in threads, sometimes it exists because one person is strawmanning/trolling. If it hasn't gone too far down the rabbit hole, I sometimes delete the nasty posts and give a blanket warning to people to please take it back on topic. IF the troll continues, it's possible to remove that person from the thread and leave it open to everyone else.

Generally when it's people having a difference of opinion it doesn't need action. If it's quite heated, you can make a neutral post pulling up points from both sides that you think are valid. Sometimes that's enough to at least pull the argument into a calmer setting. ^^

We have a Current Events section that you can't see unless you're a member. Here, people discuss politcs. We have found it necessary to make it members only in order to remove people who can't play nice with others in that section. Probably only has 2 removed members, but it had to happen. What they can't see won't bother them. Those decisions are never made lightly. Only done after all other avenues have failed.

All thread tension seems to happen around that current events section and politics. XD
 
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