Illegal Downloads

[ℓєσ gнσѕт]

"but a band releasing songs out there expecting a dollar for each of them are getting screwed over"

Please stop right there... you just said that some were releasing them for free, so why do some expect money in return? Do they think that they're just better and should get more money? What makes them "better"? I don't understand your point there... ~neutral~

Now the rest I get, it makes legal sense (in a way). However, it's still not stealing ~lol~ no matter how you look at it, it can't (with the current laws) be called stealing, only copyright infringement. I hope you get my point now, the legal term isn't stealing but we had to go through all that to get to the "oh" moment ~wink~

I'm all for supporting the artists, i'm all for them making a living and having kids and reaching retirement and all that. I just choose not to give my money to the industry big cats, and instead I support my artists by going to concerts, buying promo stuff, donating, and clicking on ads. Overall I am making a choice, and if my choice goes against laws then as a human I must do everything within my power to attempt to change the laws to reflect my thoughts. If that doesn't work then I change myself, or settle. Right now there is a Pirate party member in EU parliament and another just got into some German thing. We are attempting to change the laws to reflect our eyes, and if it fails, then we will settle. Only time will tell ~smile~

 

[katy perry is hot]

Now the rest I get, it makes legal sense (in a way). However, it's still not stealing ~lol~ no matter how you look at it, it can't (with the current laws) be called stealing, only copyright infringement. I hope you get my point now, the legal term isn't stealing but we had to go through all that to get to the "oh" moment ~wink~

I'm all for supporting the artists, i'm all for them making a living and having kids and reaching retirement and all that. I just choose not to give my money to the industry big cats, and instead I support my artists by going to concerts, buying promo stuff, donating, and clicking on ads. Overall I am making a choice, and if my choice goes against laws then as a human I must do everything within my power to attempt to change the laws to reflect my thoughts. If that doesn't work then I change myself, or settle. Right now there is a Pirate party member in EU parliament and another just got into some German thing. We are attempting to change the laws to reflect our eyes, and if it fails, then we will settle. Only time will tell ~smile~

So you choosing not to give your money to the industry big cats is alright then? That's violating the law right there. Just because you don't want to give your money to someone doesn't mean you have the right to illegally download something.

 

[ℓєσ gнσѕт]

So you choosing not to give your money to the industry big cats is alright then? That's violating the law right there. Just because you don't want to give your money to someone doesn't mean you have the right to illegally download something.

It's perfectly fine, I can choose to use my money anyway I would like as I am not under contract.

That's not breaking any law, choosing to commit a crime is not illegal, the the action itself is. Since the action of downloading is not illegal, (it's NOT stealing, it's copyright infringement) no "crime" has been committed.

Your last bit is correct. I have never once said I had the right to do so (or it wouldn't be copyright infringement, as they hold the rights in this case ~lol~ ). However, I do have the right to make my own choices, and if I choose to commit an action of the sort then it is up to me to live with what happens as a result.

You seem to be missing my point really. I do not hate the artists, I support them actually. It's the companies which I dislike here. I find it silly that the copyright law is so out of touch that this can happen:
You like a song. You donate $50 for the album to the artist, and then download it off the Internet (just not from the official source). You are then convicted of copyright infringement because the artist did not own the rights to his own music (the companies did) so he could not give you the "right" to listen to his album, even though you put $50 directly into his pocket.

They have a monopoly. You must download from their sources. When another method of downloading (bittorrent) becomes available, they sue to owners of the trackers. That's what anti-trust laws should stop. They are preventing competition from growing, stopping distribution methods from developing and growing, limiting the development of human kind.

I am not fighting the point that artists should make money, only the fact that there are several companies that are controlling and limiting society's natural development. What is the source of their power? The copyright system, which needs to fall if they are.

Keep in mind, We're all The Pirate Bay ~wink~

 

[Gimgak]

I really don't mind people who download music illegally like I said the artist doesn't get that much. I choose really not to listen to commercial music anyway, I tend to just listen to Independent music I can download legally for free, there are really great artists on sites like Newgrounds that are better than most commercial musicians anyway.

 

[ℓєσ gнσѕт]

@Gimgak
I love people like you that embrace change instead of rejecting it ~biggrin~

I know of a few that do, though for the most part I still listen to commercial music. I simply haven't had the time to spend searching up the best open source ones yet ~razz~

 

[katy perry is hot]

I embrace change too. If you knew me more you'd realize I'm the most liberal person around 😛

The thing is though I will stand by this it is illegal to download music like this, and no matter how you attempt to sugar coat it it's still stealing. You are ILLEGALLY taking something from someone WITHOUT their permission. That is stealing my friend.

 

[Runestyle]

I plead the fifth.

 

[agentmanningctu]

If you cant afford to buy music, there are hundreds of sites where you can listen to any song you want for free.

 

[Jasonp]

I dont care what anyone else thinks/says but in my opinion why pay for something when you can get it for free? ive got better things to spend my money on rather than paying couple of 100 GBP on photoshop

 

[katy perry is hot]

I dont care what anyone else thinks/says but in my opinion why pay for something when you can get it for free? ive got better things to spend my money on rather than paying couple of 100 GBP on photoshop

So it's ok to break the law and steal just because you don't feel like paying?

I really have better things to spend my money on so I'm going to go take a bunch of laptops and DVD's from Best Buy, because if I steal them I can get them for free!

Do you see how ridiculous the arguments you guys bring up are?

 

[pkb]

I think downloading illegally hurts everyone, especially those who are customers since companies have to spend time trying to thwart the illegal use of their software when these resources could be spend making the software better.

 

[Jasonp]

I dont care what anyone else thinks/says but in my opinion why pay for something when you can get it for free? ive got better things to spend my money on rather than paying couple of 100 GBP on photoshop

So it's ok to break the law and steal just because you don't feel like paying?

I really have better things to spend my money on so I'm going to go take a bunch of laptops and DVD's from Best Buy, because if I steal them I can get them for free!

Do you see how ridiculous the arguments you guys bring up are?

Thats a different concept of stealing , its easy to steal/share on the internet , the law is corrupted its all ////ed up so meh ive saved billions from downloading instead of buying.. if i like it so much il purchase it but alot of stuff nowadays isn't worth paying for.

 

[katy perry is hot]

I dont care what anyone else thinks/says but in my opinion why pay for something when you can get it for free? ive got better things to spend my money on rather than paying couple of 100 GBP on photoshop

So it's ok to break the law and steal just because you don't feel like paying?

I really have better things to spend my money on so I'm going to go take a bunch of laptops and DVD's from Best Buy, because if I steal them I can get them for free!

Do you see how ridiculous the arguments you guys bring up are?

Thats a different concept of stealing , its easy to steal/share on the internet , the law is corrupted its all ////ed up so meh ive saved billions from downloading instead of buying.. if i like it so much il purchase it but alot of stuff nowadays isn't worth paying for.

It's not a different concept.

It would be easy for me to walk into an electronics store and take a bunch of DVDs- Does that mean it's ok because it's easy to do?

 

[ℓєσ gнσѕт]

You're still looking at it as stealing ~razz~

If it was stealing, the law would try you as a criminal. Guess what, it doesn't. Why? Because you can't steal things that arn't real to begin with. Music can't be held, only played and listened to. Music isn't an object, and according to law, only objects have the ability to be stolen. That's really the key factor here. If the law said it was illegal, i'd at least give you that much, but when the law can't call it stealing, nether can you. No matter how much you sugarcoat it to become "stealing", by law it isn't. Morally is a different issue, and is per person, so we can disagree there without causing each other pain ~lol~

@pkb
What about the products like Open Office and GIMP then? They arn't better than Microsoft Office and Photoshop (overall) yet they don't have to spend time and money chasing off stealer's. You'd think that they would have better products then, yet they don't. That voids that concept, sorry ~neutral~

 

[gqgk]

actually they do try you as stealing. so it is stealing if the law tries it as stealing. ppl pay big fines for d/l'ing illegal music and software. and some even get jail time.

 

[Jasonp]

WAREZ FOR LIFE -D- -D- -D-

 

[Howard_Crane]

Do you see how ridiculous the arguments you guys bring up are?

I can see how ridiculous it seems to you, and why.
You respect the law. And I'm glad you do. Laws are there to protect people and their interests.

In the 1930s it would have been illegal to depose Hitler. And so you must understand that this is the Reality Tunnel we're operating for. We're disposing of a tyrannical system. We may need to break certain laws to do that, but that's what happens every few years; society changes.
Very few people could see the hypocrisy and craziness of Hitler's regime in Germany, because they were all under his stinking shadow. Right now, we're under the shadow of copyright. We think just because it irons out a few problems (which it does to a point), why do we need anything different or better(?).

Our argument basically lies on the fact that most artists aren't getting their fair cut anymore. Not only that, but music is set to extortionate prices. This ritual has to change.
How do you change a habit? Stop taking part in it. Again, another historical referrence: your countrymen had to break laws in order to kick out the British Crown.

So that's our mission. Break the law, and convince everyone else to break the law too. Pretty soon, artists (like Trent Reznor of NiN) will become Free Agents and sell their own music, and actually profit off of it.

Do you get it?

actually they do try you as stealing. so it is stealing if the law tries it as stealing. ppl pay big fines for d/l'ing illegal music and software. and some even get jail time.

Depends where you are.

 

[katy perry is hot]

You can have your own little reasons to justify stealing but honestly they don't work. At least Howard here is able to admit it's breaking the law.

 

[gqgk]

You're still looking at it as stealing ~razz~

If it was stealing, the law would try you as a criminal. Guess what, it doesn't. Why? Because you can't steal things that arn't real to begin with. Music can't be held, only played and listened to. Music isn't an object, and according to law, only objects have the ability to be stolen. That's really the key factor here. If the law said it was illegal, i'd at least give you that much, but when the law can't call it stealing, nether can you. No matter how much you sugarcoat it to become "stealing", by law it isn't. Morally is a different issue, and is per person, so we can disagree there without causing each other pain ~lol~

@pkb
What about the products like Open Office and GIMP then? They arn't better than Microsoft Office and Photoshop (overall) yet they don't have to spend time and money chasing off stealer's. You'd think that they would have better products then, yet they don't. That voids that concept, sorry ~neutral~

yeah. you're from ohio (according to your location) like me. it is very illegal. people get tried for it all the time. huge lawsuits happen and people get jail time. there for its illegal. second point. there are only two countries in the world that do not have laws against d/l'ing mp3's. there is no country that allows uploading mp3's. therefore if you use a torrent it is illegal because torrents upload to other users

 

[Howard_Crane]

You can have your own little reasons to justify stealing but honestly they don't work. At least Howard here is able to admit it's breaking the law.

Well ya gotta be completely honest in life. Otherwise no one learns anything.

But I would like a response on the concept of most artists not getting a damned penny for downloads and getting slight fractions on CD sales? How does that justify the demand that we pay theives?

And as for the law. Who makes a the law? The people... or at least in theory. The fact is, the law does not reflect the people's desire. Surely on an American basis, it doesn't even infringe on your constitution. Nor does it in Ireland, or any other country that's civilized. It's just a law.