Immigration

[Felicia]

Why should your family have to wait 8 years? It should be easier to become a citizen through legal processes. That simple.

It should be easier, but not in Poland in the 70s/80s. Part of the issue, however, was because of schooling for my mom and her siblings, I'm not exactly sure how much time that took up. My mom's family might have had it easier though, because my grandmother's parents were American citizens, not quite sure if they lived there then moved to Poland, or moved to the US and then returned to Poland. My guess is after all the issues not directly related to the immigration process, the time frame was around the same as avguste's.


I don't quite see where this became an argument against conservatives? First off, last I checked, conservatives oppose big government, they don't hate the federal government. Second off, how do illegal immigrants pay taxes? I'm seriously asking this because all I can think of is sales tax if they buy something in a store.

 

[avguste]

illegal immigrants don't pay taxes.
However, in any of the "armistice" proposals, one of the requirements is for illegal immigrants to pay any taxes due.

 

[katy perry is hot]

For me the immigration issue is quite important and it boils down to two things:

1. legal immigrants should and need to be welcome with open arms.

2. illegal immigrants should be deported and banned from this country. No armistice, no deals.

I am myself an immigrant in the USA. Came legally from France in 1999, obtained a green card, had to go thru the whole immigration process. Waited till 2004-05 to apply for US Citizenship, which I obtained in 2005.

I don't see why should illegal immigrants be compensated for their illegal behaviors by armisticeR and obtaining legal status, before the legal immigrants.

I don't have a problem with immigration. My problem is illegal immigration.

See perhaps if that process were easier and less drawn out (as you said it took you years) we wouldn't have these problems. I know a guy who came here from Hungary in '99 also on a green card, and he has no family or wife to sponsor him and his 10 year thing ran out so now he just still lives here... he said the process is so ridiculous and hard for him and he's still on waiting lines to get this form and that form and stuff it's just terrible for the guy.

 

[Felicia]

I definitely see the point that the process should be easier and quicker. However, until that happens I don't think that illegal immigrants can just hang around twiddling their thumbs. Also, I don't think that illegal immigrants should just be granted citizenship with a snap of the fingers. Obviously there will have to be some paperwork, etc. that they should have to go through, only it will probably be a quicker process.

I should find out from my parents where my cousin stands. He is a Polish citizen by birth and lives in Poland most of the time for school, but he and my aunt also got green cards I believe. Now he has a certain requirement that he has to reside here for a certain amount of time every year, or some amount of months every 5 years, something like that. As far as I know the green card is expired but he got something else? Probably what your acquaintance from Hungary is waiting for?

I know my uncle is a resident alien and has been for 20+ years.

 

[Deleted member 1609]

I don't quite see where this became an argument against conservatives? First off, last I checked, conservatives oppose big government, they don't hate the federal government. Second off, how do illegal immigrants pay taxes? I'm seriously asking this because all I can think of is sales tax if they buy something in a store.

They pay property taxes. Many of them also purchase social security numbers of dead people to get jobs, so they pay income taxes.

 

[katy perry is hot]

I don't quite see where this became an argument against conservatives? First off, last I checked, conservatives oppose big government, they don't hate the federal government. Second off, how do illegal immigrants pay taxes? I'm seriously asking this because all I can think of is sales tax if they buy something in a store.

Many of them also purchase social security numbers of dead people to get jobs, so they pay income taxes.

They were just talking about that the other day on CNN... that's really interesting lol and apparently like none of them get found out for doing it really.

 

[Deleted member 1609]

I don't quite see where this became an argument against conservatives? First off, last I checked, conservatives oppose big government, they don't hate the federal government. Second off, how do illegal immigrants pay taxes? I'm seriously asking this because all I can think of is sales tax if they buy something in a store.

Many of them also purchase social security numbers of dead people to get jobs, so they pay income taxes.

They were just talking about that the other day on CNN... that's really interesting lol and apparently like none of them get found out for doing it really.

I just don't see how illegal immigration is a huge crisis since they pay taxes. I mean, some legal citizens don't pay any taxes at all, and we let them stay here.

 

[avguste]

illegal immigration is against the law of any country.
And illegal immigrants don't pay taxes. they don't declare anything to the IRS (the whole thing of being illegal).
The fact that some legal residents, including USA citizens havent paid taxes is not a reason and not an excuse to let illegal immigrants stay in the country and legalize them. If any illegal immigrant wants to stay, they just need to go back to their country of origin and apply as all legal immigrants.
And by the way, this should be the policy of any country.

 

[David]

illegal immigration is against the law of any country.
And illegal immigrants don't pay taxes. they don't declare anything to the IRS (the whole thing of being illegal).
The fact that some legal residents, including USA citizens havent paid taxes is not a reason and not an excuse to let illegal immigrants stay in the country and legalize them. If any illegal immigrant wants to stay, they just need to go back to their country of origin and apply as all legal immigrants.
And by the way, this should be the policy of any country.

That's stupid. Maybe you should understand why they have illegally immigrated before deportation. If they are being hunted down by some gang of their country, they should have every right to illegally immigrate and seek asylum just to survive. They are basic human rights which everyone is entitled to.

But by your logic, they should have to spend valuable time sitting in an office, paranoid about getting killed, filling in a form to be processed within a month or so, and then to be possibly turned down, and an almost certain chance of getting killed. I would run for my life instead.

 

[Deleted member 1609]

And illegal immigrants don't pay taxes. they don't declare anything to the IRS (the whole thing of being illegal).

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/illeg ... 21300.html
http://www.truth-out.org/undocumented-i ... efits59264
http://ezinearticles.com/?Do-Illegal-Im ... id=4572895
http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/1424.html
http://news.jornal.us/article-4671.Ille ... Video.html

 

[avguste]

And illegal immigrants don't pay taxes. they don't declare anything to the IRS (the whole thing of being illegal).

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/illeg ... 21300.html
http://www.truth-out.org/undocumented-i ... efits59264
http://ezinearticles.com/?Do-Illegal-Im ... id=4572895
http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/1424.html
http://news.jornal.us/article-4671.Ille ... Video.html

Thank you for the articles. Havent seen them yet. Will read and comment afterwards.

To David

Yes, everyone has right to asylum, but that is why you have political asylum. The right of asylum is and should be dealt on an individual basis.
The United States honors the right of asylum of individuals as specified by international and federal law. A specified number of legally defined refugees, who apply for refugee status overseas, as well as those applying for asylum after arriving in the U.S., are admitted annually.
If people are afraid for their lives, they should apply for asylum, either in their country of origins, either when they get here. Now, last I checked (and I don't listen to the news 24/7), the majority of illegal immigrants are not doing that. They just come in and stay under the radar.

 

[David]

To David

Yes, everyone has right to asylum, but that is why you have political asylum. The right of asylum is and should be dealt on an individual basis.
The United States honors the right of asylum of individuals as specified by international and federal law. A specified number of legally defined refugees, who apply for refugee status overseas, as well as those applying for asylum after arriving in the U.S., are admitted annually.
If people are afraid for their lives, they should apply for asylum, either in their country of origins, either when they get here. Now, last I checked (and I don't listen to the news 24/7), the majority of illegal immigrants are not doing that. They just come in and stay under the radar.

Also, many illegal immigrants probably have never heard of the term "asylum", which could be a valid reason as to why there aren't that many.

 

[katy perry is hot]

Well people coming here from Mexico aren't really going to be looking for asylum in most cases. Just going to come out and make the statement 😛

 

[David]

Well people coming here from Mexico aren't really going to be looking for asylum in most cases. Just going to come out and make the statement 😛

Yeah I know. I originally had "excluding Mexicans" but thought someone would make a comment either way if I wrote that or not, so I just left it out 😛

 

[ItsZippy]

What I find difficult with discussion over immigration is that it's based on the fact that we own bits of the Earth. I don't know where the notion that we have the right to prevent people from living where they want to came from. If they're willing to contribute to our society, I don't see a problem.

 

[PhairChild]

I say make the current one citizens, they made it here let them stay. But I say stop the rest... It doesnt help American workers. Business owners hold that your illegal over their head and can pay them $3 an hour... Well there goes American jobs. and for an american to get a job they have to accept less. Lets face it, Ill pay this guy $3 an hour, hes an okay worker, he gets the job done... your a good worker... you want $21 an hour... Well this guy gets the job done... i can higher 6 more and get 7x more done then just highering you... It effect more then people think in my opinion

 

[freebird]

I say we have all been immigrants looking for a better land better opportunity. They have the right but I would hope they do it by the law and pay taxes otherwise they are more of a burden. Businesses that do things illegal here for cheap labor or if they go abroad for cheap labor hurt the US economy.

 

[David]

I say make the current one citizens, they made it here let them stay. But I say stop the rest... It doesnt help American workers. Business owners hold that your illegal over their head and can pay them $3 an hour... Well there goes American jobs. and for an american to get a job they have to accept less. Lets face it, Ill pay this guy $3 an hour, hes an okay worker, he gets the job done... your a good worker... you want $21 an hour... Well this guy gets the job done... i can higher 6 more and get 7x more done then just highering you... It effect more then people think in my opinion

Why stop immigrants when it's the employers not applying fair workplace rules? Should the immigrant take the hit if the employer is misleading immigrants? Do immigrants know what a fair work pay is? That's where education comes in and everyone should be entitled to education.

 

[Deleted member 1609]

I agree completely, David. Don't punish the immigrant who's just trying to make a better living; punish the employer who's circumventing the minimum wage.

 

[Nuke]

Too much to quote in order to reply, derp.

Immigration is fine as long as they learn the National Language in order for proper function of society. This means the government shouldn't force anyone to give them any special treatment. They must assimilate and become a true part of the nation. Otherwise you get things like Islamic Terror, where they'll come in, get free stuff, possibly infiltrate the military, sabotage the nation, kill innocent civilians, etc. Also, the border guards of America don't just go to all Mexicans. Sanctuary Cities need to be forced to stop their allowance of illegal immigrants to commit actual crimes, such as theft and murder, too.

I think we need to be cautious in letting immigrants in - And illegals should be shot so they don't come back if they commit a crime. Maybe let the kids be Americans though. I'm against Anchor Babies, though.