Is murder justified in wartime?

[mikehawk]

Don't let people distort the facts. Do a little research, around 100,000 Iraqis have died in violence over the past seven years. This does not mean US armed forces have killed them all. How often do you hear in the news of a car bombing in a crowded marketplace?

People scream about stopping war but they forget there are truly evil people out there who could care less about your opinion. People have slaughtered each other since the beginning of mankind.

Oh, and an interesting article: http://www.iraqbodycount.org/analysis/b ... rated-orb/

 

[katy perry is hot]

^No, not 100,000. The numbers are in the high hundred thousands, and some estimates put it in the millions.

I do believe war can be justified. For those of you who think that it isn't, take a look at WWII and tell me how it could have been solved without the bloodshed that went on. If you can come up with a better solution that would have stopped the genocide in Germany and stop Imperial Japan, then be my guest.

 

[Watch Me Sink]

^No, not 100,000. The numbers are in the high hundred thousands, and some estimates put it in the millions.

Most estimates put it between 100k and 200k. Also see the note in his post about the death count.

 

[cityStatic]

^No, not 100,000. The numbers are in the high hundred thousands, and some estimates put it in the millions.

Most estimates put it between 100k and 200k. Also see the note in his post about the death count.

That's the Iraqui, not including American or civilian toll.

 

[Watch Me Sink]

No American civilians have died in the war. 5,000 Americans have died. So between 105k and 205k.

 

[cityStatic]

No American civilians have died in the war. 5,000 Americans have died. So between 105k and 205k.

*coughIraquicivilianscough*

 

[Bossanova]

Murder can never be justified, not in non-war time non in war time. And also WAR can never be justified. War is agains justice itself.

So what activist group do you follow, anti war? Wake up. Murder can, and IS justified during war time, so long as it isn't murdering innocent, unarmed civilians.

War can never be justified? So fighting for freedom isn't a cause to declare a war?

 

[Watch Me Sink]

No American civilians have died in the war. 5,000 Americans have died. So between 105k and 205k.

*coughIraquicivilianscough*

You must need some Kleenex because you seem to cough a lot, especially in this topic.

And the 100k estimate is all Iraqis including but not limited to Iraqi insurgents, Iraqi civilians, and those residing in Iraq.

 

[Cosmic]

By the way, if you're Christian, then do realize that in the Greek translation of the bible, the commandment read "Thou shalt not murder" instead of "thou shalt not kill". Killing is the act of ending the life of another human being. Murder the act of killing in defiance of the law, and refers to a more

And I don't really care the exact number of people killed in Iraq. It is barely relevant to the discussion.

 

[Watch Me Sink]

KJV ftw. 😀

 

[lordelian]

You say War is justified? Maybe some of them for example US Revolution and defending yourself BUT if you defend yourself then someone declare war on you and attack you to invade, to kill or for some other reason and so this war isnt justified either.
IS WWII justified? NO. cos it was INVADING war began by German and Japan. It could be justified till they entered German territories but after then its invading WAR too. Is Japan part justified? it could be justified till Hirosimo and Nagasaki where were murdered 200thousand civilians by US army.
Is US Civil war Justified? Maybe. Cos it was began by people that want to save their slaves. But its also one kind of Invade. When North invaded South.
Is Afqan war justified? Maybe. It was saving Afqan people form Talibs. BUT its now INVADED by US.
Is Iraq War justified? NO. ITs just invade war and there were killed more people than during Saddam time.
IS Napaleon, Alexander the Great, Ceasar wars justified? NEVER. Cos all of it was invading wars.

P.S. Im not christian, not muslim, not jew, not any other religion. I just belive that someone created us but dont belive in any religion.

 

[Bossanova]

I like how you decide to try and attack certain points in time. So tell me then, if you were in a war with troops running at you, wanting to kill you, would you just stand there like a mindless slave and hope they realize that what they're doing is "unjustified"?

I'm not defending any country, but what I'm saying is, if there was an army coming into MY country, ready for war, and hell bent on killing me and my people, IT WOULD BE JUSTIFIED to kill them. Otherwise, you die, and so do innocent people. And why did they die? Because you felt it was unjustified? Sometimes you have to put your beliefs behind you and do what is necessary.

An example would be, invading another country, trying to stop them from doing evil deeds to their people, or actively participating in terrorist activities. If I'm a solider, and I'm called to go invade this country because they have a nuclear weapon, or might have one, I will not give it a second thought. I'd pray to be forgiven for what I'm about to do, for the lives I'm going to kill, and do what is necessary.

A few hundred dead people is the price of saving an entire city, state, or country. Another thing..so, by what you say, the 9/11 attacks are not justified enough of a reason for us to go to war? So what then? We sit on our asses and let the terrorist group who did that get away with it? Let them plan another attack?

I'm all for letting people express themselves, but not if they're only thinking from their point of view. If you're to debate something, you need to think of it from all points of views.

 

[Cosmic]

IS WWII justified? NO. cos it was INVADING war began by German and Japan. It could be justified till they entered German territories but after then its invading WAR too. Is Japan part justified? it could be justified till Hirosimo and Nagasaki where were murdered 200thousand civilians by US army

Hitler was a very, very evil man. As for the nuclear bombing, people on this forum generally know nothing about that. It was a measure, ordered by President Truman pretty much single handedly, to save hundreds of thousands of Americans from dying. It directly ended the war by scaring the Japanese enough to surrender. Otherwise it would have been a several year long invasion of Japan. the Japanese NEVER give up. There would have eventually been an Urban warfare situation which would have killed MUCH more Japanese civilians than two nukes.

Is US Civil war Justified? Maybe. Cos it was began by people that want to save their slaves. But its also one kind of Invade. When North invaded South.

Take a seat, 'cuz I have a story to tell you. The Civil war was caused by states rights issues where the southern states felt they were being oppressed. As soon as Abraham Lincoln became a President Elect, the south succeeded from the Union as they felt that Abraham Lincoln was for the abolishion of slavery. The civil war was not just about slavery, but about states rights. Slavery was a big issue, but it wasn't the whole story.

Is Afqan war justified? Maybe. It was saving Afqan people form Talibs. BUT its now INVADED by US.

why do you always all caps "INVADED"? There are sometimes reasons for invading things.

@Grievous: amen.

 

[swood]

War is war, either kill or be killed. No one is able to stop it. Soldiers are putting there life on the line to protect there families, friends, country and there way of life. If someone threatened to kill your entire family and your friends and you were given a chance to stop them, you would do it without a moments thought.

Some wars are justified and some aren't but who are we to decide who is good and who is evil. Most of the real reasons for going to war with other countries are withheld from the public

Anyway that's just my look on war

 

[Watch Me Sink]

lordelian,
Actually no, the American Revolution was complete self defense. Not one minuteman INVADE England and started fighting. The United Kingdom sent troops over here, and the fighting began. The Declaration of Independence said nothing about declaring war against the UK.

You're saying that when the United States armed forces freeing millions of Jews, Catholics, Poles, homosexuals and others was wrong since that territory belonged to Germany and we were INVADE their land? While I don't think that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were ethical as most of the deaths were civilians, a Pacific War between the United States and Japan arguably would have cost more lives to both sides.

Civil War had nothing to do with slavery until Lincoln emancipated some slaves with the Emancipation Proclamation. It had all to do with state's rights and if states had the right to secede from the Union. Slavery was never the main issue in the Civil War. Lincoln felt that the Union should be preserved, and never recognized the Confederacy as another country, so technically there was no INVADE.

Afghan War- how could the United States save Afghanis from the Taliban regime without invading Afghanistan? The Taliban had control of most, if not all of Afghanistan. What could we have done remotely with the Taliban to get them out of Afghanistan? I don't know how many terrorists use Skype or Facebook, but that's really the extent of what we could have done without INVADE Afghanistan.

 

[Dr. Vincent Lawliet]

The government sure as hell seems to think murder is totally justified in war. But when a woman kills her husband who's abused her in every single way possible she gets 10 years. (did you see the Oprah episode)?

 

[katy perry is hot]

The government sure as hell seems to think murder is totally justified in war. But when a woman kills her husband who's abused her in every single way possible she gets 10 years. (did you see the Oprah episode)?

I don't care about Oprah. If this man abused her, she should have gone to the proper authorities. If it was in self defence, that's another story.

 

[Watch Me Sink]

^^This. If you're facing domestic abuse, you can't kill your spouse. You go to the police.

 

[Ghost]

War is justified. All the terrorists should slowly die with pain in their last moments (or an hour of bleeding to death).

If they mess with my country or my people then murder of every single one of the terrorists is justified.

Not just terrorists, if you mess with the best, you die like the rest.

 

[Watch Me Sink]

^No, not 100,000. The numbers are in the high hundred thousands, and some estimates put it in the millions.

109,032. I'd say I was pretty damn close.