Is the army really a way out?

[katy perry is hot]

Honestly, you're not defending freedom at all. You're fighting Bush's oil wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[Nathan54AB]

Honestly, you're not defending freedom at all. You're fighting Bush's oil wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Yeah that's what I meant by "ulterior motives and agendas". Bush, and now it seems Obama, are among those people.

 

[TwiMamas#2]

Joining the military, for the most part nowadays, is a mistake. It seems that people in the army are being used for ulterior motives and agendas. The only good reason to join the army is to defend the gift of life and freedom. The way I see it, there is nothing glorious or noble about that. Defending from evil forces who want to take freedom away is in nature, and to make it a supernatural ideal by portraying it as glorious and noble, as those lame GoArmy.com advertisements do, is to make life and and freedom seem unnatural and unreal. Then they say that another good reason to join is because all your needs will be tended too. That, combined with the first recruiting method, also applies a cheap price to life and freedom. If you ponder it closely, it is a very similar parallel to the Borg society in Star Trek. The army as it is portrayed and looked upon nowadays is not an escape. It is an entrapment. It is madness.

To some joining the military is an alternative to jail, some its a family legacy thing, others its duty, and for more, its about the income and stability.

I dont always agree with the military (or the government period) and I dont always like what goes on with the military but for many its the only way of life they know. My brother joined shortly after 9/11 as did my husband because they felt that it was their duty to their family and their country. They didnt know when they joined that things would be like they have been. NO ONE did !

Things may have turned into an oil war along with other things, but the service members couldnt know that when they joined and many cant get out of their duty unless they go to jail for going AWOL or Desertion.
Many times, being in the military is just like any other job. In a civilian job you still have bosses to report to and work that has to be done. You may not always like it, but its your job. There are many businesses out there that are corrupt and your job may turn into something else entirely.

I have met service members that were their during 9/11, my brother has been to Iraq 2x, my husband has been 3x. I am VERY proud of my brother and husband as well as anyone else who serves in the military. Its hard. They have to deal with things that we never even think about on a daily basis.
My brother has almost been blown up in a road side bomb, my husband came back with PTSD the last time. 2 guys I went to school with have lost their lives while another lost his legs.

These ppl fight for what they feel is right and their duty, they serve to provide for their families and their country. I personally think that is at least a little Noble and Glorious.

If we didnt have a military, who the hell knows what would happen with this world.

 

[TwiMamas#2]

THIS is from my husband ! He is still over there.

Having the war drug out hurts us. Plus idiots on cnn and fox only care
about people dying, and not what we're really doing! All you get from
the news is that we're over here doing whatever the hell we want, and
killing anyone who looks at us funny. The Iraqis are trained and
equipped to take care of themselves, which they have been. We've built
schools and hospitals, and we've rebuilt towns that have been destroyed.
We give them jobs. Plenty of Iraqis work here on base. 2 brothers just
opened a $500,000 shop on base. Our water supply line that WE built
supplies water to a local town as well. I've personally loaded a C17
before with a van full of school books going to Iraq. There are people
here who hate us. There are people here who are scared for their lives
after we pull out of the county. And the army operates in their own
little way anyways, but all you ever hear about is army. Marines are
deep in afghani-land. AF supports EVERYONE with airlift and air
support. Navy helps with the Persian gulf, as well as any inland
support they can offer.
Of course im sure they know nothing about the kurds, and how sadaam and
the (some) sunni's pretty much disown them and want them gone. But I
guess it was ok for sadaam to use chemical weapons on Kurdish towns on a
regular basis.

Dont believe everything that you see and hear on the news and internet ! They only tell you what they want you to know. Unless you see it first hand, you cant really give the proper judgment. :great:

 

[Relmitos]

Amen.

It's the same with our goverment that dont give a damn about the guys in Iraq,
The best example for this is a incident that happend a few years ago.
A dutch officer shot at a armed civilian, After giving him warning to put down his weapon.
Resulting him being send back to the Netherlands to stand trial.
Luckily the judge agreed that it was self defence, However he received a honourable discharge.

Without us there wouldnt be fresh water, meds, food, schools, etc. In for example Iraq.
It's not just about shooting some terrorists so bush can get his oil.

 

[Nathan54AB]

It is commendable in the eyes of those who are fighting out there, because if they don't see it that way they would have to face the truth that perhaps maybe it's not as big a deal as everyone makes it out to be.
As a matter of fact, from what I hear, many veterans of wars past see it that way. What they do is not in the least commendable, but just a basic thing in life. The war veterans featured in the Iwo Jima Memorial, another symbol of heroism for example, barely talk about what they did and don't even give a rat's ass about the memorial or the so-called heroic acts they did. To say that providing for one's family and defending one's freedoms is commendable is like saying not murdering is commendable.
Also, those who are fighting on the other side against us see it the same way. They think what they are doing is commendable, and they also make themselves "the good guys". And we're all using that pride against each other. I'm not saying there are no legitimate forces of evil out there, though.

We've built
schools and hospitals, and we've rebuilt towns that have been destroyed.
We give them jobs. Plenty of Iraqis work here on base. 2 brothers just
opened a $500,000 shop on base. Our water supply line that WE built
supplies water to a local town as well. I've personally loaded a C17
before with a van full of school books going to Iraq.

And is that a commendable thing? Is providing basic things to people commendable, or just basic? What do you think will happen once the army pulls out completely? That the people of Iraq will live happily ever after? How long did it take for humanity to come up with the Magna Carta, one of the first documents in recorded history that denounced tyranny and granted basic freedoms and rights? Millennia and centuries. Do you really think that Iraq has really changed in a matter of years because the US army build improvements there? I sure hope I'm wrong, but as history shows, Iraq will revert to it's old ways until they are allowed to make their own mistakes and learn from them, and not have any army do it for them. You cannot bring peace and liberty by use of force through tanks and guns.

 

[Relmitos]

With a proper education, Healthcare, And a proper place for them to live, It will improve, Slowly but it will.

 

[TwiMamas#2]

It is commendable in the eyes of those who are fighting out there, because if they don't see it that way they would have to face the truth that perhaps maybe it's not as big a deal as everyone makes it out to be.
As a matter of fact, from what I hear, many veterans of wars past see it that way. What they do is not in the least commendable, but just a basic thing in life. The war veterans featured in the Iwo Jima Memorial, another symbol of heroism for example, barely talk about what they did and don't even give a rat's ass about the memorial or the so-called heroic acts they did. To say that providing for one's family and defending one's freedoms is commendable is like saying not murdering is commendable.
Also, those who are fighting on the other side against us see it the same way. They think what they are doing is commendable, and they also make themselves "the good guys". And we're all using that pride against each other. I'm not saying there are no legitimate forces of evil out there, though.

We've built
schools and hospitals, and we've rebuilt towns that have been destroyed.
We give them jobs. Plenty of Iraqis work here on base. 2 brothers just
opened a $500,000 shop on base. Our water supply line that WE built
supplies water to a local town as well. I've personally loaded a C17
before with a van full of school books going to Iraq.

And is that a commendable thing? Is providing basic things to people commendable, or just basic? What do you think will happen once the army pulls out completely? That the people of Iraq will live happily ever after? How long did it take for humanity to come up with the Magna Carta, one of the first documents in recorded history that denounced tyranny and granted basic freedoms and rights? Millennia and centuries. Do you really think that Iraq has really changed in a matter of years because the US army build improvements there? I sure hope I'm wrong, but as history shows, Iraq will revert to it's old ways until they are allowed to make their own mistakes and learn from them, and not have any army do it for them. You cannot bring peace and liberty by use of force through tanks and guns.

Yes it is commendable because who the hell else is going to do it ?? Are students going to go over and do it ? Lawyers ? Not likely. If it was basic then everyone would join in and help out.

They may very well revert to the old ways, but at least someone did something to help them out and try to get them better. If they revert back then its their fault.
We are trying to help them improve because they have ASKED us to help them get better. YES, they ASKED us. We did not force our way on them and say "You WILL do this, this, and that". (i am not talking about going in there with tanks etc, Im talking about the building of schools, water supplies etc) Just as they did with the Tsunami. We offered our help and they turned us down saying that they take care of their own ppl. They eventually did ask for our help and we provided that help to them to help them clean up and get back together what was possible.

 

[Nathan54AB]

Here is a YouTube video that fits well with this topic and that I mostly agree with. This is TheAmazingAtheist's video by the way, just so ya know what's coming, lol.

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