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Hidden308 said:
Sinon said:
What does "or the world comes together and agrees Islam should end" entail?

I'm personally not in the mood to repeat myself right now, but I will attempt to put it as simple as possible.

Christianity as a religion has faced many times coming to a near brink destruction throughout history simply due it's basic belief in peace and thoughtfulness. The US Government and the Constitution built on a simple foundation based on the Bible itself. The freedoms this nation has had and the concept of freedom of choice is widely promoted in the Bible.

Christianity is hated mainly for the concept of what it promotes and that is freedom of choice.

Islam on the other hard is the pure opposite of what Christianity stands for. It seeks to take away any form of freedom of choice from every single person on this planet and bring a single opinion and single law that everyone has to abide by regardless of what individuals think. It is either you believe the way how Islam works or you die.

Islam supports everything not just the Bible disagree's with, but even modern society disagrees with. Murder, lying, rape, pedophilia, etc. So I am going to be absolutely honest and I don't care if anyone here gets offended. If you support Islam then you support all the ideals Islam supports as I mentioned.

Iran, Iraq, Al Qaeda, ISIS and many terrorist organizations in the Middle-East that the West (US and allies) have been against all support the ideas of Islam and have proven then.

ISIS captures and kills anyone that disagree's with Islam. Iran is an Islamic state that has a union between its Islamic beliefs and state. They allow 9-year-olds to be married off to older men.

Any normal, sane person would be against such things and realize by common sense alone how wrong Islam is. Only people that aren't against it are those who support their ideas. This isn't the concept of simply opinions and just wanting to ignore the issue it is you agree with Islam or you don't.

I for sure won't agree with Islam ever it is an abomination and should be banned globally. I wish the UN would step up and say it needs to be handled with. I am not asking for the death of Muslims I am asking for the death of an evil organization which is called Islam.

So if anyone here dares says Muslim one more time you're an ignorant fool. This has nothing to do with race. Islam is not a race it is an extremely evil cult that is just a repeat of history that so many people have fought against. British Empire, Nazi Germany, Roman Empire, etc.

Islam seeks destruction, power and to rule everyone under its own ideals. Just as the same as Nazi German, Roman Empire and the British Empire.

If you can't see that then ignorance is bliss they say.

I think you need to re-read the Quran.
 
Kino said:
I think you need to re-read the Quran.

Don't need to if you read a few posts back ago. I already quoted some things from the Quran how it promoted the death of anyone that doesn't believe in Islam. I could say the same thing to you. 😉

Edit:

I will actually just leave this right here.

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Hidden308 said:
Kino said:
I think you need to re-read the Quran.

Don't need to if you read a few posts back ago. I already quoted some things from the Quran how it promoted the death of anyone that doesn't believe in Islam. I could say the same thing to you. 😉

Edit:

I will actually just leave this right here.

[youtube]n8RpXJ1gCUs[/youtube]

I just wonder if you have ever met any Muslim people. I have been acquainted with quite many Muslims and actually room with one as well. They are peaceful people. I think when you blame Islam as a whole and not the extremists interpretation of the Quran you're very wrong.
 
You're pretty eager to ban a religion, but I bet you'd be less eager if the government decided to ban yours a few decades later. No government should have the right to ban religion. The US Constitution guarantees freedom of religion, so doing so not only would violate it, but sacrifice our most truly held principles.

Honestly, I think it's the height of cowardess to have that kind of fear-reaction to something. Essentially, you're saying "Muslims scare me, so should go away." That is the politics of fear. By calling for their religion to be banned, you are taking the easy choice of sacrificing liberty in exchange for security.

You think that the strong way to deal with Islam is through the most possible force. Only children react with all force available to them. Strength is found through the careful use of determined power. Yes, we need to lay down the law, but only where we can win, and only where we absolutely need to. Banning a religion is not only a failed endevur in the making, but the kind of weak-minded reaction that would make future generations ask why we started the precedent for government banning of religions.

Know this: if the government is given a tool to be used against the "bad guys," they will use it against everyone else they can as well. Law originally applied to terror cases are now being used in the war on drugs. Anti-racketeering laws originally written to be used against mobsters are being pushed by some to be used against those who disagree on climate change. If Islam is suppressed by the government today, Christianty will be tomorrow.
 
Kino said:
Hidden308 said:
Kino said:
I think you need to re-read the Quran.

Don't need to if you read a few posts back ago. I already quoted some things from the Quran how it promoted the death of anyone that doesn't believe in Islam. I could say the same thing to you. 😉

Edit:

I will actually just leave this right here.

[youtube]n8RpXJ1gCUs[/youtube]

I just wonder if you have ever met any Muslim people. I have been acquainted with quite many Muslims and actually room with one as well. They are peaceful people. I think when you blame Islam as a whole and not the extremists interpretation of the Quran you're very wrong.

I find it interesting you bring race into it like Sinon when I mentioned 5 times now. This isn't about Muslims this is about Islam. I will start putting everything in bold since it clearly seems your not reading anything I post.

Iran, which is an Islamic state allows the legal marriage to marry over 9-year-old children to older men.

ISIS is doing exactly what Islam teaches. You're trying to defend a book that allows pedophilia and rape and murder of anyone who doesn't believe in it. You better be careful what you say before you look like your part of it, Kino. There is nothing peaceful about Islam.

Yes, I actually did meet 1 Muslim person before. One who converted from Islam to Christianity and he even so says the Quran supports what I have mentioned.

Sinon said:
You're pretty eager to ban a religion, but I bet you'd be less eager if the government decided to ban yours a few decades later. No government should have the right to ban religion. The US Constitution guarantees freedom of religion, so doing so not only would violate it, but sacrifice our most truly held principles.

Honestly, I think it's the height of cowardess to have that kind of fear-reaction to something. Essentially, you're saying "Muslims scare me, so should go away." That is the politics of fear. By calling for their religion to be banned, you are taking the easy choice of sacrificing liberty in exchange for security.

You think that the strong way to deal with Islam is through the most possible force. Only children react with all force available to them. Strength is found through the careful use of determined power. Yes, we need to lay down the law, but only where we can win, and only where we absolutely need to. Banning a religion is not only a failed endevur in the making, but the kind of weak-minded reaction that would make future generations ask why we started the precedent for government banning of religions.

Know this: if the government is given a tool to be used against the "bad guys," they will use it against everyone else they can as well. Law originally applied to terror cases are now being used in the war on drugs. Anti-racketeering laws originally written to be used against mobsters are being pushed by some to be used against those who disagree on climate change. If Islam is suppressed by the government today, Christianty will be tomorrow.

Islam isn't a religion it is a cult. There is to clear differences. As I mention to Kino as I will say to you. Be careful what you say when defending the Quran and Islam since it clearly supports rape and pedophilia.

Muslims have nothing to do with it as I mentioned before it is Islam we're discussing. So you can stop your race-baiting tactics and grow up that isn't going to work in this debate.
 
I don't think you understand what a "Muslim" is. A "Muslim" is someone who follows Islam, whether they are from the Middle East, or a pure-blooded Frenchman. Muslims are not a race. The Arabic people are a race, which most commonly follows the Muslim religion. If you are indeed ignorant of this, then I think you should learn more about your fellow man. 😛

Christianity is technically just as much a cult as Islam. It is named after, and follows, a man who once lived. To an extent, it is more a cult than Islam, because Mohammed is only a prophet, not a member of the holy trinity.
 
Sinon said:
I don't think you understand what a "Muslim" is. A "Muslim" is someone who follows Islam, whether they are from the Middle East, or a pure-blooded Frenchman. Muslims are not a race. The Arabic people are a race, which most commonly follows the Muslim religion. If you are indeed ignorant of this, then I think you should learn more about your fellow man. 😛

Christianity is technically just as much a cult as Islam. It is named after, and follows, a man who once lived. To an extent, it is more a cult than Islam, because Mohammed is only a prophet, not a member of the holy trinity.

Christianity is not 'technically just as much of a cult as Islam'. It doesn't support pedophilia, rape, etc. It does not support the murder of innocents simply because they disbelieve in it like Islam does.

Christianity has always taught forgiveness and kindness to fellow man. If you can't see the difference between the two then I guess there is no helping you in that case.
 
Hidden308 said:
Sinon said:
I don't think you understand what a "Muslim" is. A "Muslim" is someone who follows Islam, whether they are from the Middle East, or a pure-blooded Frenchman. Muslims are not a race. The Arabic people are a race, which most commonly follows the Muslim religion. If you are indeed ignorant of this, then I think you should learn more about your fellow man. 😛

Christianity is technically just as much a cult as Islam. It is named after, and follows, a man who once lived. To an extent, it is more a cult than Islam, because Mohammed is only a prophet, not a member of the holy trinity.

Christianity is not 'technically just as much of a cult as Islam'. It doesn't support pedophilia, rape, etc. It does not support the murder of innocents simply because they disbelieve in it like Islam does.

Christianity has always taught forgiveness and kindness to fellow man. If you can't see the difference between the two then I guess there is no helping you in that case.
A cult is defined as a religion that centers around a single (recently) living person. For example, the scientologists are a cult that centers around Elron Hubbard. Some have also expanded this definition to include long dead people, arguing that Mormonism is a cult centering on Joeseph Smith. If you want to call Islam a cult centering on Mohammed, then Christianity is equally a cult centering on Christ. However, if you just want to call them a cult because you find their religion repulsive... Then you don't understand what a cult is. 😛
 
Hidden308 said:
Kino said:
Hidden308 said:
Kino said:
I think you need to re-read the Quran.

Don't need to if you read a few posts back ago. I already quoted some things from the Quran how it promoted the death of anyone that doesn't believe in Islam. I could say the same thing to you. 😉

Edit:

I will actually just leave this right here.

[youtube]n8RpXJ1gCUs[/youtube]

I just wonder if you have ever met any Muslim people. I have been acquainted with quite many Muslims and actually room with one as well. They are peaceful people. I think when you blame Islam as a whole and not the extremists interpretation of the Quran you're very wrong.

I find it interesting you bring race into it like Sinon when I mentioned 5 times now. This isn't about Muslims this is about Islam. I will start putting everything in bold since it clearly seems your not reading anything I post.

Iran, which is an Islamic state allows the legal marriage to marry over 9-year-old children to older men.

ISIS is doing exactly what Islam teaches. You're trying to defend a book that allows pedophilia and rape and murder of anyone who doesn't believe in it. You better be careful what you say before you look like your part of it, Kino. There is nothing peaceful about Islam.

Yes, I actually did meet 1 Muslim person before. One who converted from Islam to Christianity and he even so says the Quran supports what I have mentioned.

Sinon said:
You're pretty eager to ban a religion, but I bet you'd be less eager if the government decided to ban yours a few decades later. No government should have the right to ban religion. The US Constitution guarantees freedom of religion, so doing so not only would violate it, but sacrifice our most truly held principles.

Honestly, I think it's the height of cowardess to have that kind of fear-reaction to something. Essentially, you're saying "Muslims scare me, so should go away." That is the politics of fear. By calling for their religion to be banned, you are taking the easy choice of sacrificing liberty in exchange for security.

You think that the strong way to deal with Islam is through the most possible force. Only children react with all force available to them. Strength is found through the careful use of determined power. Yes, we need to lay down the law, but only where we can win, and only where we absolutely need to. Banning a religion is not only a failed endevur in the making, but the kind of weak-minded reaction that would make future generations ask why we started the precedent for government banning of religions.

Know this: if the government is given a tool to be used against the "bad guys," they will use it against everyone else they can as well. Law originally applied to terror cases are now being used in the war on drugs. Anti-racketeering laws originally written to be used against mobsters are being pushed by some to be used against those who disagree on climate change. If Islam is suppressed by the government today, Christianty will be tomorrow.

Islam isn't a religion it is a cult. There is to clear differences. As I mention to Kino as I will say to you. Be careful what you say when defending the Quran and Islam since it clearly supports rape and pedophilia.

Muslims have nothing to do with it as I mentioned before it is Islam we're discussing. So you can stop your race-baiting tactics and grow up that isn't going to work in this debate.

Don't Muslims follow Islam? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim
 
Kino said:
This is what Donald Trump is doing to his supporters. He's being what was coined a "fear mongerer" and he's creating a real hostile environment for Muslim Americans here in the States.

By using his super scary first amendment rights? Oh man. Scary as hell. Someone get me a blanket. Come on. Please. This is BS and you know it. Here in America we have freedom speech and we have A LOT of speech going around. Some of it positive, some of it negative, some of it odd, some of it normal, you get the point. This is 2016. We don't need to be offended by everything. He hasn't created environment. the real fear mongerers, including the magical whack job in your avatar, are really scared of Trump and they think this sort of dialogue works. News flash, it doesn't.

Kino said:
He's making people people that there is a credible threat on U.S. mainland...oh wait I forgot he doesn't even have basic national security intelligence access.

Since when is a basic national security intelligence access (AKA a security clearance) required to run for office? I must have missed that memo. Must have been some white out on the constitution because I'm 99.99999999% sure it's not there. I have a security clearance. It means nothing.

Kino said:
ISIS began because the United States believes in regime change and in the 70's we funded what evolved into Al Queda and then in the 80's we funded the people of Iran and that has turned into ISIS. Muslim extremists are pissed at the United States because we have gone over there, interrupted their thousands of years of tradition because we didn't think what they were doing was "morally" right.

ISIS began for the same reason Al Qaida began. An incompetent President pulled out of a nation too fast, against all military brass, and created a power vacuum. Really if you want to be technical about it the Soviets would have been more responsible for Al Qaida then the US but I digress. Muslim extremists are pissed at us because we're not Muslim, because we don't take rights away from women, because we don't stone gays, and the list goes on. They hate us because their religion tells them to.
 
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