Israel...

*sigh*

Are you capable of believing what the Israeli government says? I'm sorry, but I find what you are saying, very, very, very offensive. I am not Jewish, but you are basically supporting the killing of innocent people. They search aid before it is sent to that area to protect Israelis! The first Israeli commando to go down that rope had a paint ball gun. The only reason why they were there was because this ship was trying to run the blockade without being checked! If they have nothing to hide then why run it? You still cannot answer this question. Is it because you don't care if arms are given to the people who want to kill Israelis? You said yourself that you basically don't give a damn if the nation of Israel falls.

To me, if you believe in allowing the smuggling of arms in such a manner, then you are for killing innocent people. You are just like the guy who is pulled over by a cop and attacks him with a shotgun because he was "attacking you". There is a difference. Cops have guns (or tasers) too, but they don't use them unless you make them.

Could you please drop your Anti-Zionist bias and actually think about the people who are killed by these inhuman monsters who commit acts of terror against Israel?

http://www.youtube.com/idfnadesk#p/a/u/0/bU12KW-XyZE << Explain why peaceful activists have firebombs and stun grenades?
 
By all of the Anti-Israel replies in here. I see that it is obvious that those replies never looked at the links provided.

Stop putting much petrol on a fire that doesn't need to burn.

Yes, Israel boarded a ship. Who cares? Every country has boarded other ships from other countries before, and everyone erupts in anti-israel rants because they decide to do something!

If you are going to BS a country that you don't live in, nor know people from, then do it in a less public place, otherwise by just replying to this, you send the community down the hole, because it will make new members not want to reply to anything, in the fear of having their opinions thrown back at them, and shoved down their throats.
 
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Yes, the aid ships were "defenseless," but they had molotov cocktails among other various weapons.

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Guns aren't weapons?
 
The links are info by Israelis. Of course its going to defend them.

The organization has sent another flotilla. If they were really smuggling weapons, do you think they'd really send more ships? And explain why Egypt opened their Gaza border.

Here some neutral links:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100531/ap_ ... lestinians

and a Israeli mans view: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/03/opini ... tml?src=me

notice any difference? BTW I don't support the killing of innocent people. And I don't support Israels blockade. Who do you think the blockade effects more: Hamas or the 1.5 innocent Palestinians who desperately need aid? These people where journalists, medics, and people that want to rebuild Gaza. Not extremists who want to destroy Israel. And be realistic: if armed people bordered your ship late at night, wouldn't you try to attack them? Read the Yahoo link before asking that.

And you act like Israel is the most peaceful country in the world. If you watched news owned by a independant company, you'd know the truth. If you truly cared, you'd find out as much info about Israel and their past attacks on Gaza. Yes Hamas attacked Israel. But answer this: who has the greater casualties.

Anyway, I'm done with this convo. Its not going anywhere, and speaking with blind Israeli followers is pretty annoying. So enjoy your support of a Jewish terrorist organisation. And no, I don't support any kind of terrorism.
 
OiLerz284,

The ships were never in Isreali waters. Do some research on what happend.
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When did I say the ships were in their waters?

Do some research on what I said! :lol:


Also....calm down, its ok.. 😛
 
Um... they were allowed aid. THe Israelis told the ships that they could deliver their supplies to be checked for weapons and then the aid could be passed on. But NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Obvious fighting is obvious.
 
You know, this whole escapade reminds me of civilization revolution, I don't know why, maybe cause I played it for roughly 3 hours last night, blah.. 😛 lol
 
GooseDennis said:
Um... they were allowed aid. THe Israelis told the ships that they could deliver their supplies to be checked for weapons and then the aid could be passed on. But NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Obvious fighting is obvious.
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Yes.

This is just like running through the TSA checkpoint at an airport and yelling "I am flying charity to the poor people in ____". You would obviously get tased.
 
You can link to as many anti-Zionist articles as you like but they will be just as bias, if not more bias, then the Israelis.

anti-Zionists wanted this to be the worst bit of mud the minute they heard of it. I'm sure many of y'all, if not you yourself, were hoping the Israelis were caught setting these people on fire on video. Instead, the videos show the "peaceful" people throwing the soldiers overboard and using firebombs and stun grenades. Thus, they ignore the evidence and pretend it is not valid.
 
I've watched many vids about this, and didnt see any stun guns or fireballs used. I didnt see any paintball guns either.
 
OiLerz284 said:
I've watched many vids about this, and didnt see any stun guns or fireballs used. I didnt see any paintball guns either.
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I don't know much about that either.. didn't hear anything about paintball guns.

The fact comes down to that both sides in this conflict have done some pretty bad things, so I don't personally side with one over the other at any time.
 
Can't you see with your own two eyes the firebomb and stun grenade in said video?

http://www.youtube.com/idfnadesk#p/a/u/0/bU12KW-XyZE

This wasn't an Arizona moon landing sort of thing. This is the LIVE event as it happened.

And really, can you only link to forum topics? I want credible media, not forumites and bloggers.
 
Credible media? You think the IDF is credible!? Like I said, Israel controls much of the media in US. I posted a CBC link of somebody who was there on the actual flotilla. He is Canadian too, not Israeli, not Palestinian, not Turkish, not Iranian. Canadian. And did you hear about the 18 y.o. (might of been 19, not sure) American man shot 4 TIMES IN THE HEAD? 4 TIMES! And I posted 1 link to a forum, but there is also a article written buy the guy.

This was a terror attack by Israel. And the US is once again protecting Israel from any discipline. Its really sad how the USA (government) takes orders from a little stain on the globe (Israel). And with Harper as PM, we (Canada) are told what to do by the USA.

Anyway, if you read/watched from non-Israeli sources, I'm sure you'd have different views.
 
Oh, so people on the flotilla are better sources of information than the soldiers on the flotilla?

You are entirely incapable of believing what someone who is Jewish says. You even call the media "Jewish" just because they disagree with you. You assume they are lying to you, no matter what they say. Thus, this conversation is pointless. If your bias is so towards the enemies of Israel, I don't even think posting here is a good use of my time. You obviously strongly oppose any measure to check aid for weapons. I ask that before you oppose abolishing the blockade, you oppose the Transportation Security Administration, the Military Police, and all security forces in the world.

and I don't eat up any anti-Zionist propaganda I see, unlike you, so it would be of less value than official sources to me.
 
OiLerz284 said:
The links are info by Israelis. Of course its going to defend them.

The organization has sent another flotilla. If they were really smuggling weapons, do you think they'd really send more ships? And explain why Egypt opened their Gaza border.

Here some neutral links:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100531/ap_ ... lestinians

and a Israeli mans view: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/03/opini ... tml?src=me

notice any difference? BTW I don't support the killing of innocent people. And I don't support Israels blockade. Who do you think the blockade effects more: Hamas or the 1.5 innocent Palestinians who desperately need aid? These people where journalists, medics, and people that want to rebuild Gaza. Not extremists who want to destroy Israel. And be realistic: if armed people bordered your ship late at night, wouldn't you try to attack them? Read the Yahoo link before asking that.

And you act like Israel is the most peaceful country in the world. If you watched news owned by a independant company, you'd know the truth. If you truly cared, you'd find out as much info about Israel and their past attacks on Gaza. Yes Hamas attacked Israel. But answer this: who has the greater casualties.

Anyway, I'm done with this convo. Its not going anywhere, and speaking with blind Israeli followers is pretty annoying. So enjoy your support of a Jewish terrorist organisation. And no, I don't support any kind of terrorism.
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America hates Israel. We're told that they're idiots, morons, jews, etc. Everything is offensive in this country. When we're told that they're these things, the media tells us the same.
 
You hgave a point there, GooseDennis. While he is saying that America is supporting Israel, it seems a lot of the liberal media and the government is basically saying "Those dirty Jews are overkilling again".
 
Cosmic said:
Oh, so people on the flotilla are better sources of information than the soldiers on the flotilla?

You are entirely incapable of believing what someone who is Jewish says. You even call the media "Jewish" just because they disagree with you. You assume they are lying to you, no matter what they say. Thus, this conversation is pointless. If your bias is so towards the enemies of Israel, I don't even think posting here is a good use of my time. You obviously strongly oppose any measure to check aid for weapons. I ask that before you oppose abolishing the blockade, you oppose the Transportation Security Administration, the Military Police, and all security forces in the world.

and I don't eat up any anti-Zionist propaganda I see, unlike you, so it would be of less value than official sources to me.
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Yes, I'd believe the victims over the suspects. If you expect Israel to admit what they did, then your in for a surprise. Israel is trying to fix their ruined image. They killed 16 activists. It was on international waters. They had it all planned out. Any videos and images by Israel aren't credible. Why did they take all the cameras from the flotillas? Mabye because it shows what really happend, just like all the activists are saying. They killed 16 innocent people, shot a guy in the head 4 damn times, and are guilty of doing all this on international waters, a topic you keep trying to avoid talking about.

What I meant by America was the government. The government always supports Israel, and thats why Israel can pretty much do whatever they want. Cuz Obama has their back.

Oh, and I didn't say their lying because they are Jewish. I said they are lying because they are Zionists, who btw many Jews don't consider real Jews. Nice try though, trying making me sound anti-semetic 😉 I already said, I'm anti-zionist 😀 🙂 😀

Israel is the leader of propoganda. The link I've posted are by independant, neutral sources. I guess your too scared to read them. Dont wanna know what your supporting.
 
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