Mosque by Ground Zero

[katy perry is hot]

What do you guys think of it?

I personally feel that they have every right to put it there. I am a New Yorker myself and I support it. I am not a Muslim, but I support their right to put a building wherever they want. Under our constitution, every religion is free to worship and practice. If the government (state or federal) put through some sort of directive stating that they cannot build it, that would be pretty much the end of the US constitution and its bearing on our government.

I know the recent CNN poll shows that 70% of Americans think it shouldn't be there, but too bad. This country isn't a democracy. It's a republic. The constitution and bill of rights trump all. It doesn't matter if 95% of America wants to shut down every Mosque on our soil by Government force, the constitution trumps it.

Furthermore, I know some people (Obama specifically) have the impression that they are allowed to, but they shouldn't because it's wrong morally. All this mosque can do is pure good. Hopefully it will wake up the bigoted America we are today and have us realize that not all Muslims are terrorists and that they hate the people who knocked down the towers just as much as we do. This mosque/culture center can potentially be a symbol of the Muslim religion as a whole completely denouncing the terrorist attacks, and wanting to try to get Americans to understand the religion more (ie culture center, not just a mosque)

 

[agentmanningctu]

The fact that Americans think that every Muslim is a terrorist is just plain pathetic. We're better than that.

I think it's good. It shows we trust the Muslim community and we are working with them to root out terrorists.

 

[katy perry is hot]

The fact that Americans think that every Muslim is a terrorist is just plain pathetic. We're better than that.

I think it's good. It shows we trust the Muslim community and we are working with them to root out terrorists.

But that's the problem. It doesn't show them that because 70% of America as well as our President (who is called a liberal progressive socialist) are against it on moral grounds.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- ... ro-mosque-

poll link^

 

[agentmanningctu]

Obama supports it doesn't he?

I meant that the government supporting the mosque shows that the US trusts the Muslim community. Of course we as a whole don't. The United States is filled (70% of the way) with morally ignorant, selfish people.

 

[Sayf Udeen]

The fact that Americans think that every Muslim is a terrorist is just plain pathetic. We're better than that.

I think it's good. It shows we trust the Muslim community and we are working with them to root out terrorists.

But that's the problem. It doesn't show them that because 70% of America as well as our President (who is called a liberal progressive socialist) are against it on moral grounds.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- ... ro-mosque-

poll link^

Umm. Who cares if 70% of the nation are against it.
Will it be publically or privately funded? (I think we both know the answer to that)
Also is it illegal?

Privately.
Legal.

Nothing, in good conscience can be done against it.
Therefore, it's the right of Muslims in America to have it.

Any true patriot should be all for it on both those grounds, for the sake of liberty.
You're also apparently forgetting MANY Muslims died on 9/11.

 

[katy perry is hot]

That's very true. Sorry I forgot to mention the Muslims who died.
To agent, Obama said he supports the legal right but he won't "comment on the wisdom" of the project. Meaning that he probably is against it on moral grounds.

 

[agentmanningctu]

Don't get me started on how stupid I think he is.

It's ridiculous. I don't understand why people are so ignorant. Jews were involved in murders back in the 30's. Did that give the Germans the right to disown their own citizens? Why don't we just start killing Muslims...that's pretty much the same reason Hitler used as a reason for the Holocaust.

 

[Sayf Udeen]

Re:

That's very true. Sorry I forgot to mention the Muslims who died.
To agent, Obama said he supports the legal right but he won't "comment on the wisdom" of the project. Meaning that he probably is against it on moral grounds.

Don't sweat it.
It's not about that. I was just trying to point out to Cosmic not everyone who died in 9/11 embody the image of America he seems to hold sacred. 🙂

At the end of the day, I think this Mosque being built is a brilliant statement to the religion of peace Islam IS! As opposed to what a lot of ignorant know-nothings say Islam is.

 

[Watch Me Sink]

Constitutionally, I'd fight to the death to defend their right to have a mosque there. Morally, I see it as a move to cause more drama. I'm sure there are tons of less expensive places that could have been chosen, but they chose this for a reason. Also, anybody have a map or quote of how far it is away from Ground Zero?

Personally, I'm for it. It could probably offend some people, but that's too bad. The Westboro Baptist church offends me by twisting the words of the Old Testament to defend their uber-right thinking. Yet I'd defend their right to picket to the death.

 

[Sayf Udeen]

Personally, I'm for it. It could probably offend some people, but that's too bad. The Westboro Baptist church offends me by twisting the words of the Old Testament to defend their uber-right thinking. Yet I'd defend their right to picket to the death.

Yep - and the Dove World Outreach Centre offend me by holding a 'Burn the Qur'aan Day'...

 

[Cosmic]

Ever heard of something called "Zoning laws"? Stops churches built in non-controversial locations all the time. However, applying them to a mosque is bigoted, apparently.

Personally, I'm for it. It could probably offend some people, but that's too bad. The Westboro Baptist church offends me by twisting the words of the Old Testament to defend their uber-right thinking. Yet I'd defend their right to picket to the death.

Amen.

 

[Sayf Udeen]

Ever heard of something called "Zoning laws"? Stops churches built in non-controversial locations all the time. However, applying them to a mosque is bigoted, apparently.

Or...You know...There just may possibly not be a zoning conflict? Just saying!

They're applied to Mosques all the time.
But there has to be an ACTUAL reason for it.

 

[agentmanningctu]

As much attention as this is getting, if there was a legal complication, we would know.

 

[Cosmic]

A Greek orthodox church that was destroyed on 9/11 wanted to build a church 2 blocks away from its original location, but the owner of the property, the port authority, decided to drop the deal unless the church's dome were not to rise above the 9/11 memorial. The deal fell apart due to controversy a while ago.

So, basically, Muslims can build a mosque there, but not some church? This is outrageous! The port authority gave this Greek orthodox church all this crap about being taller than the memorial but a Muslim mosque which is MUCH taller than the memorial is going to be built!

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/19/nyreg ... .html?_r=1

Not related to0 zoning laws, but the port authority is clearly biased.

 

[katy perry is hot]

A Greek orthodox church that was destroyed on 9/11 wanted to build a church 2 blocks away from its original location, but the owner of the property, the port authority, decided to drop the deal unless the church's dome were not to rise above the 9/11 memorial. The deal fell apart due to controversy a while ago.

So, basically, Muslims can build a mosque there, but not some church? This is outrageous! The port authority gave this Greek orthodox church all this crap about being taller than the memorial but a Muslim mosque which is MUCH taller than the memorial is going to be built!

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/19/nyreg ... .html?_r=1

Not related to0 zoning laws, but the port authority is clearly biased.

It has nothing to do with that. It has to do with this culture center paying the state of new york millions of dollars.

 

[Cosmic]

So, you're saying that the mosque is bribing New York to get rights that the Greek Orthodox church didn't get?

 

[Sayf Udeen]

A Greek orthodox church that was destroyed on 9/11 wanted to build a church 2 blocks away from its original location, but the owner of the property, the port authority, decided to drop the deal unless the church's dome were not to rise above the 9/11 memorial. The deal fell apart due to controversy a while ago.

So, basically, Muslims can build a mosque there, but not some church? This is outrageous! The port authority gave this Greek orthodox church all this crap about being taller than the memorial but a Muslim mosque which is MUCH taller than the memorial is going to be built!

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/19/nyreg ... .html?_r=1

Not related to0 zoning laws, but the port authority is clearly biased.

Proof the Mosque is taller?

Also, was it the EXACT same lot? No.

Fullstop.

Stop looking for a problem.

 

[Cosmic]

The mosque will be 13 stories high. Much taller than the memorial. Citation:

Trouble emerged after St. Nicholas announced its plans to build a traditional Greek Orthodox church building, 24,000 square feet in size, topped with a grand dome. Port Authority officials told the church to cut back the size of the building and the height of the proposed dome, limiting it to rising no higher than the World Trade Center memorial. The deal fell apart for goodin March 2009, when the Port Authority abruptly ended the talks after refusing to allow church officials to review plans for the garage and screening area underneath. Sixteen months later, the two sides have still not met to resume negotiations.

St. Nicholas Church’s difficulty in getting approvals to rebuild stands in stark contrast to the treatment that the developers of the proposed Cordoba mosque have received. New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg, state Atty. Gen. Andrew Cuomo, and a raft of city officials have all come out publicly in favor of building the mosque, and the city’s Landmarks and Preservation Commission recently voted unanimously to deny protection to the building currently occupying the site where the mosque is to be built.

The mosque is proposed to rise 13 stories, far above the height of the World Trade Center memorial, with no height restrictions imposed.

FYI, this orthodox church thing KILLS all question of this issue in my mind. Sorry.

 

[katy perry is hot]

Keep in mind that there is a building adjacent to the proposed mosque, which is 22 stories high. No one will even see the mosque.

And the Orthodox Church wasn't even to be built in the same area. This has nothing to do with a bias. It's just your attempt to try and belittle the mosque and try to derail it further.

 

[Sayf Udeen]

And the Orthodox Church wasn't even to be built in the same area.

And here we go, logic.