Mosque by Ground Zero

[Cosmic]

That's an irrelevant argument because they would both be a stones throw from the WTC. It's the same area, thus they should have the same rules.

 

[Watch Me Sink]

However, if all the buildings around where the Greek Orthodox church were around 1 or 2 stories high, and all the buildings around the mosque were 20+ stories high, there would be no problem. I have a feeling that the port authority were trying to prevent new buildings that could obstruct the view of the memorial being built. However if the buildings were already up, they can't really do anything above it. Just as if the view is already obstructed, what's wrong with putting another smaller building up?

However this is all circumstantial (sp?) and could obviously be false.

 

[Joe 2]

I know the recent CNN poll shows that 70% of wants to shut down every Mosque on our soil by Government force, the constitution trumps it.

If 95% of Americans want to shut down every Mosque on our soil by Government force then we need to amend the constitution. The constitution is there, but it allows us to change it.

Whoever is funding this is doing it to start problems. If people are against me building a church somewhere I'd build it elsewhere just to prevent problems and all this attention.

 

[Watch Me Sink]

That's quite the problem there!! In the 1940's specifically after the bombing of Pearl Harbor, the United States government detained thousands of Japanese-Americans on no grounds. (Notice they were detained, but never arrested.) The popular vote on the detention of these people was probably quite high, since the Japanese just bombed us. However, this was HIGHLY unconstitutional and perhaps the greatest fuckup in American history. Are you saying that because the majority of people supported it we should tear up the Constitution? There's a reason the Constitution is there, not so that it is some guideline that we can ignore once in a while.

Are you saying that just because these people pray towards Mecca, and currently the popular opinion isn't in favor of Muslims that they don't have the right to worship there?

Also, whatever you do somebody will oppose it. Are you saying that you think people should walk on eggshells so that one doesn't feel offended?

(This reply was to eXtreme incase somebody else replied during my rant)

 

[Gimgak]

I know the recent CNN poll shows that 70% of wants to shut down every Mosque on our soil by Government force, the constitution trumps it.

If 95% of Americans want to shut down every Mosque on our soil by Government force then we need to amend the constitution. The constitution is there, but it allows us to change it.

So you want to amend religious freedom?

 

[Justin]

This REALLY does not matter to me at all. It is just a muslim church. Would we be having this same argument if this was a christian church, or jewish temple?

 

[Watch Me Sink]

No, the point of this is because Muslims (radical as they were, they were still Muslims) brought down the WTC, they are making a point by building a mosque near GZ. Wikipedia has an article/guideline that is the message that the mosque developers are trying to make:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia: ... te_a_point

While I think they have to right to be there, they are trying to illustrate a point.

 

[Dean]

I'm quite excited. 😀

 

[kasem]

Well those supposed "Muslims" killed thousands of other muslims when taking down the WTC and all the muslims that I know in america and on T.V are all saying that terrorists are bad, just because of the deeds that a few muslims did you cant punish all the other muslims in the U.S... I am a muslim and I abhor terrorists. So I dont see why you say that because a few muslims did something bad other muslims who had nothing to do with it can't creat a mosque 2 blocks away from ground zero, whats the logic in that???

 

[KeithSECTalk]

Its messed up. No ones even mentioned the guy who is building the Mosque. He's a fucked up person with issues and he doesn't have all his screws tightened.

If I was a Muslim, I'd hate this move. Really, its just an attempt to anger Americans. Look what its done already, its upset people and brought national attention to it.

There's no reason it can't be built somewhere else. This is an obvious attempt at publicity and hostility. If you don't think so you are fucking idiot.

This isn't about any other religion. I don't personally do the whole religion thing much. Its just messed up. Dumbass in charge of this needs to pick up his bombs and razor blades, and take his Jihad elsewhere. JK, just a troll at the end.

Seriously though, I'd be fucking hating my people if I was a Muslim. What a huge fuck up and disappointment for the whole Muslim race.

I'm not racist, I don't hate Muslim people, I don't hate any certain religion in general, I haven't voted, I don't like the government. Don't try to call me something unless you're a fucking idiot.

-- 21 Aug 2010, 04:02 --

Here's something that happened back in the day. Three young African American boys were hung for no reason. Just straight up racism. The tree they were hung on was on a lot with a small store. The store shut down after the event took place. Some white guy took over the store and turned it into a rope making business and displays his ropes on the tree. That's fucked up.

 

[Cosmic]

@kasem: I would imagine they killed "hundreds" of Muslims at ground zero, not thousands, as the total casualty count was 3,000.

 

[katy perry is hot]

@kasem: I would imagine they killed "hundreds" of Muslims at ground zero, not thousands, as the total casualty count was 3,000.

Don't think that matters.

 

[kasem]

@kasem: I would imagine they killed "hundreds" of Muslims at ground zero, not thousands, as the total casualty count was 3,000.

Don't think that matters.

exactly.

 

[Nexus]

To make this situation easier to deal with, the local government should just pass a bill stating no religious structure is allowed to be built within X blocks from Ground 0... but, it's not like the majority of Muslims agree with the extremists' point of views so it really doesn't matter that much. If the people in the area don't like it - move

-Rich

 

[Cosmic]

Also note that the title is deceiving because the mosque is *at* not *near* ground zero. Body parts, ash, and parts of the planes hit that building and the landing gear from one of the planes crashed through the roof.

 

[katy perry is hot]

No, it is not AT ground zero. You are wrong.

The thing is 2 blocks away. There are other mosques within a 5 block vicinity of ground zero. There is a strip club closer to ground zero, so why don't you christian extremists fight to get that taken down too?

 

[Cosmic]

Did strip-club members destroy the WTC? Did Greek Orthodox members destroy the WTC? No,m they didn't. this is nothing o do with morality or religion in general. You simply ignored the fact that body parts and debris hit this building and just substituted our incorrect facts for it. What is ground zero? A 1 centimeter square somewhere in the middle of where the WTC was? No, it's the entire area which was impacted physically by the attack.

furthermore, if there's a mosque 5 block away from the WTC site, then why do we need another one closer? It destroys the argument of "no place to worship".

Last I checked, we are not putting a Neo-Nazi club right next to Auschwitz or a Japanese community center beside Pearl Harbor.

 

[katy perry is hot]

Did strip-club members destroy the WTC? Did Greek Orthodox members destroy the WTC? No,m they didn't. this is nothing o do with morality or religion in general. You simply ignored the fact that body parts and debris hit this building and just substituted our incorrect facts for it. What is ground zero? A 1 centimeter square somewhere in the middle of where the WTC was? No, it's the entire area which was impacted physically by the attack.

furthermore, if there's a mosque 5 block away from the WTC site, then why do we need another one closer? It destroys the argument of "no place to worship".

Last I checked, we are not putting a Neo-Nazi club right next to Auschwitz or a Japanese community center beside Pearl Harbor.

Did Islam destroy the WTC?

Answer that for me.

 

[Cosmic]

Not Islam itself, however, a fairly mainstream interpretation of it did. The Imam who wants to build the mosque did this to indicate that he is a sympathizer with that sect:

- In Australia, 2005, the Imam said that America has more innocent blood on its hands than al-quida. He cited UN sanctions which supposedly killed innocent Iraqis. In fact, that's actually Saddam propaganda.

- He said that america was an accessory to 9/11 days after.

- He said that Osama Bin Laden was made in the USA.

Sounds like he believes that "Americas chickens had come home to roost". further more, if he was a bridge-builder like he claims, he would back down. right now he is just making people angry.

 

[katy perry is hot]

That's true. America has more innocent blood on its hands than al-queda. If you think he is wrong, then you're just one of those blind idiots who think America is great and has never made any mistakes. Look at Hiroshima. There's his justification.

And no, it wasn't a mainstream interpretation. There have been 2 or 3 muslim members who are totally normal muslims and they have told you numerous times that what these terrorists practice is considered to be wrong in their community and that Islam does not condone the murder of innocent civilians.

But you can just keep ignoring them if you'd like and keep making baseless accusations. Whatever is easier for you.