Nuclear Weaponry

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What are your views on nuclear based weaponry?

What do you think the world would be like if Einstein never thought up the ideas that would help make such weapons possible? What would the world be like if the United States never dropped the weapons on Japan in WW2?

Also, what do you think would the world be like if say Germany or Japan had become the first nuclear power?


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[David]

Nuclear Weapons is equivalent to knives. If one country has a knife and no other country has one, that country can go and attack everyone else. If every country has a knife then it would basically cancel everyone out. Same concept but with nuclear weapons. That's why you don't see nuclear wars happening now. If US drops a nuke onto Korea, for example, you think Korea will do the same? What good is that? So really, nuclear weapons are just things to keep a country safe.

 

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Nuclear Weapons is equivalent to knives. If one country has a knife and no other country has one, that country can go and attack everyone else. If every country has a knife then it would basically cancel everyone out. Same concept but with nuclear weapons. That's why you don't see nuclear wars happening now. If US drops a nuke onto Korea, for example, you think Korea will do the same? What good is that? So really, nuclear weapons are just things to keep a country safe.

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't it Pluto who stated that the third great war will be fought with unconventional weaponry? Nuclear weapons are unconventional.

And we wouldn't drop a nuke onto the complete Korea, since South Korea is our allies. Did you mean communistic type North Korea?

 

[David]

Yes, North Korea for sure. Anyway, South Korea doesn't have a nuclear base.

 

[Nuke]

Nuclear Weapons are needed for security.

 

[David]

Nuclear Weapons are needed for security.

If no country had weapons then we would all be on the same playing field.

 

[Justin]

I have no opinion on this. War is war. You can't stop what others have or use.

 

[Nuke]

I will respect THT's opinion.

DotDavid, lol, but what if only the US and Russia had nukes, for example...and they teamed up against the EU to conquer them. What would happen if they wanted to just destroy them all?

 

[David]

Nuclear Weapons are needed for security.

If no country had weapons then we would all be on the same playing field.

^Please read that again, Nuke.

IE: if one country has nuclear weaponry, then others will. And why would USA and Russia team up? There are things called pacts, treaties etc. And why would USA/Russia need to?

Sometimes morality is all you need. :yes:

 

[fantanoice]

If Japan had it first, then everybody born from the late 40's onwards would be Japanese. No doubt about it.

 

[David]

If Japan had it first, then everybody born from the late 40's onwards would be Japanese. No doubt about it.

I don't know about that. True, but I have doubts. If Japan had it first, they would be a world powerhouse. Then why would they need to go to war when they can have all the resources they want? If they are clever enough to build nuclear weaponry, why can't they just advance into a first world nation?

Sort of is a thing that is dependent on other variables.

 

[fantanoice]

I mean, Japan would have just taken over everything. Heck, they easily could have if the US hadn't bombed them. :/

 

[David]

I mean, Japan would have just taken over everything. Heck, they easily could have if the US hadn't bombed them. :/

No, as my last point stated. Prior to the war, if they had the smarts to make nuclear weaponry, then why would they need to go to war. They would have leaped into becoming a first world nation and thus not need to conquer countries to get resources and land as they would have the world working for them already.

 

[Cosmic]

Nuclear weaponry is not the most effective tool for conquering territory. It is designed to destroy territory. If you drop a nuke on fort knox then there goes all the gold. so therefore, if you drop nukes of 95% of the earth's landmass there goes all[ the gold in the world, but with all that fallout I'd imagine gold would be the least of everyone's worries. There are also factors such as EMP (fries electronics) and the possibility of "nuclear winter" (explosion induced artificial winter caused by massive amounts of dust in the atmosphere. It happens with volcanos on a smaller scale).

What has been keeping the world from such a "nuclear winter" was a factor called Mutually Assured Destruction, which is the assurance of american retaliation for any Russian nuclear strike and vice versa. Basically, if you nuke them they will nuke you. That is something no one wants, but particularly with sticky situations like the Cuban Missile Crisis, could have happened. (Nuclear war would have gone underway in TWO HOURS at one point). The problem is, you can't get rid of this stuff. If you try and dispose of it then Iran might come up with their nuclear arsenal and blow everyone up. So, for the sake of preserving this "mutually assured destruction" which keeps the world from falling apart, nuclear weapons still have to be kept. If, using the knife example used earlier, one man in a knife fight drops his knife, what are the odds everyone else will? Something close to... let me see... 0.

 

[David]

Cosmic, that wasn't the point of the knife example. I mean of that time era, everyone having a knife would be the same as everyone having a nuke. You stab me, then my friend stabs you. I drop a nuke on your country, (and if I have a nuke) I drop a nuke on you.

 

[Cosmic]

I was just borrowing your own analogy to make my point, so it's easier to make sense of when reading the argument as a whole. I wasn't changing the interpretation of your point at all.

 

[David]

Well, you did say drop a knife. At the time of the knife's creation, I doubt there were planes to drop them. 😛

 

[Cosmic]

Well, you did say drop a knife. At the time of the knife's creation, I doubt there were planes to drop them. 😛

I meant lay down the knife. Say, you are in a room with 20 thugs. If you drop your knife, they will likely beat you up and take your possessions. This is why only a truly universal disinterment can work, which is impossible. While the UK, US, and Russian might remove their weapons, will Iran and Korea?

 

[fantanoice]

I mean, Japan would have just taken over everything. Heck, they easily could have if the US hadn't bombed them. :/

No, as my last point stated. Prior to the war, if they had the smarts to make nuclear weaponry, then why would they need to go to war. They would have leaped into becoming a first world nation and thus not need to conquer countries to get resources and land as they would have the world working for them already.

Eh, I guess...

But I'm sure if the US didn't stop them, Japan would have conquered the world. 😛

 

[Kino]

Personally I can't stand that a group of scientists had developed such a strong and despicable weapon. A weapon that can wipe out 1 million people in a a blink of the eye is ridiculous. Killing innocent people of God with a weapon of this...I can't even finish my sentence. I can't stand nuclear weapons.