Osama Bin Laden is dead!

Gimgak said:
Yeah... that's why this doesn't thrill me... one person is nothing and only agitates things further. Whether or not he deserves this isn't the question, its what will happen if this is true, one of his supporters will take his place right away.

While that is true, it is a good thing either way. Osama was a big inspiration for his organization and therefore his death has done some damage to the people who believe in his way of life. However as you said there will always be someone to take his place, however if other Countries kill off those new leaders each time they come to leadership, who will want to take the spot again? Therefore we could see the demise of his organization soon, I doubt anyone can hide as good as Osama did.

Our Australian troops have already received a message from our PM telling them to keep sharp and be on higher alert than before as support for Osama could either be high or low, and will not be anymore safer than what it was before he was killed.
 
America doing what it does best, taking credit for everything, I don't hear any mention of all of the other countries which have helped.

But today would have been the perfect day for another attack, all of those people out the front of the white house just need someone with a bomb and it would have been a kick up the ass.
 
Wow. the death of human, even if he was the enemy, lowering yourself to celebrating a death is disgusting.

Of course they killed him, he has no right to a fair trial? Even the most clearly guilty in the USA have that right at their disposal...

Now, for the body. It should be rightfully returned for burial once confirmed. Will it be? Well, with the USA, you never know. They have their own set of morals, and rule by it.

I'm not defending Osama, or the actions he has been involved in. They were awful, free of doubt! When I am scrutinising is the animalistic nature of the 'good guys' on their high horse, throwing their own values out the window.
 
Sayf Udeen said:
Wow. the death of human, even if he was the enemy, lowering yourself to celebrating a death is disgusting.

A) Of course they killed him, he has no right to a fair trial? Even the most clearly guilty in the USA have that right at their disposal...

B) Now, for the body. It should be rightfully returned for burial once confirmed. Will it be? C) Well, with the USA, you never know. They have their own set of morals, and rule by it.

D) I'm not defending Osama, or the actions he has been involved in. They were awful, free of doubt! When I am scrutinising is the animalistic nature of the 'good guys' on their high horse, throwing their own values out the window.

You really need to open your eyes. I find it disgusting to celebrate a person's death, sure, but when the person is one such as Osama, a murder, a pathetic waste of human space, a monster, I make an exception.

A) Osama killed 3,000+ innocent people, and yet you think he deserves a trial? Where's the justice in that, he deserved to be shot in the head, several times.
B) As for the body, they have confirmed they will be doing a proper burial (to what his culture seems reasonable)
C) The USA wasn't the only one involved, many other Countries including my own were involved in hunting Osama, USA just found him and killed him.
D) You are defending him, which is pathetic. The victim's families would be disgusted at what you said.

If I was at his grave, id piss on it and piss on it.
 
Here come all the parade rainers. 😛

Im glad justice was finally served.
 
theezy said:
Im glad justice was finally served.

Exactly. Although justice wasn't exactly served as he wasn't the only one who helped with what he did, although justice on him was served.
 
Nathan said:
A) Osama killed 3,000+ innocent people, and yet you think he deserves a trial? Where's the justice in that, he deserved to be shot in the head, several times.
B) As for the body, they have confirmed they will be doing a proper burial (to what his culture seems reasonable)
C) The USA wasn't the only one involved, many other Countries including my own were involved in hunting Osama, USA just found him and killed him.
D) You are defending him, which is pathetic. The victim's families would be disgusted at what you said.
How have I defended his actions? When?
Did you read my post?
What Osama is responsible for is disgusting. No doubt about it.
But, let's not ignore the blood on allied troops hands post-9/11, while we're at it.

Firstly, I'm Australian too. I'm fully aware of our involvement, and with that I will add from what I have heard the mission in which Osama was killed involved only American troops. I will happily be corrected here, if I am in fact wrong.

How did we get to where we are today? Throwing the lives of men, women and children abroad in the gutter. Ignoring them, and dehumanising them in our crusade, over the past 10 years.
There are a lot of non-American victims (innocents - men, women and children) who have also been needlessly brought into 'the war on terror', who have both been killed and had their lives devestated by American and allied armed forces who we still hear nothing about. The figure of the deceased here alone (ahem - 'collatoral damage') tops 1,000,000 people.

What about the man who was killed by a mob on 9/11, for being of Muslim appearance in NYC? We never hear of him, do we? (He was Sikh, not Muslim.)

You can play games with what I have said all you want to make it look like I'm the bad guy, but at the end of the day you're just playing the 'because I say so card'.

Yes, Osama deserves death ultimately. But punishment without trial goes against the USA's own ethics. Fact.
American rights are for all people are they not? No matter what the crime nor how guilty, no one is supposed to be subhuman - it's a big double standard right there.

And Nathan told me to 'open my eyes' - while with an eye for an eye, he's okay with sending the whole world to his own blindness to the bigger picture.
 
Sayf Udeen said:
How have I defended his actions? When?
Did you read my post?
What Osama is responsible for is disgusting. No doubt about it.
But, let's not ignore the blood on allied troops hands post-9/11, while we're at it.

You never defended his actions (nor did I say you did) but you did defend him, as a human being, which is pretty much the same thing I guess.

Sayf Udeen said:
Firstly, I'm Australian too. I'm fully aware of our involvement, and with that I will add from what I have heard the mission in which Osama was killed involved only American troops. I will happily be corrected here, if I am in fact wrong.

It doesn't matter who fired the trigger, at the end of the day everyone who was involved, searching for him, helping each other (Countries) etc. were the cause of his death. For example:

Person X tells person D to shoot person F, person D has to follow person X's order (for whatever reason, it doesn't matter) and person X shoots person F. Who's to blame? Simply both person X and D.

Sayf Udeen said:
How did we get to where we are today? Throwing the lives of men, women and children abroad in the gutter. Ignoring them, and dehumanising them in our crusade, over the past 10 years.
There are a lot of non-American victims (innocents - men, women and children) who have also been needlessly brought into 'the war on terror', who have both been killed and had their lives devestated by American and allied armed forces who we still hear nothing about. The figure of the deceased here alone (ahem - 'collatoral damage') tops 1,000,000 people.

You think they were killed on purpose? Also can you provide proof? Don't forget we're talking about the death of a man who not only deserved to be killed, he was also the most wanted man in the world, his trial was fair, his lucky he didn't get tortured then killed slowly.

Sayf Udeen said:
What about the man who was killed by a mob on 9/11, for being of Muslim appearance in NYC? We never hear of him, do we? (He was Sikh, not Muslim.)

Did US solider's kill him? No? Well then exactly. I mean not even we (Australians) are great, don't you watch the news, Indians always get bashed just because their Indian.. No Country is perfect.

Sayf Udeen said:
You can play games with what I have said all you want to make it look like I'm the bad guy, but at the end of the day you're just playing the 'because I say so card'.

Im not doing any of that, im just stating facts and the truth, which in this case is Osama deserved to die with or without a trial.

Sayf Udeen said:
Yes, Osama deserves death ultimately. But punishment without trial goes against the USA's own ethics. Fact.
American rights are for all people are they not? No matter what the crime nor how guilty, no one is supposed to be subhuman - it's a big double standard right there.

Tell that to the Victim's parents, siblings, loved ones, friends, or any family members.

Sayf Udeen said:
And Nathan told me to 'open my eyes' - while with an eye for an eye, he's okay with sending the whole world to his own blindness to the bigger picture.

Have a look at our solider's in Afghanistan bud, do you see Julia over there with a gun and helmet fighting? No? Exactly :roll:
 
You never defended his actions (nor did I say you did) but you did defend him, as a human being, which is pretty much the same thing I guess.
I apologise for having respect for human rights? :S
Rules are rules. Where will it end if we disrespect one person as a human?
A human is a human, Nathan. Part of the whole issue here is the concept of 'human' and 'subhuman'.
(Note; accounts of soldiers themselves saying it's easier to think of their enemy as though they are not human.)
It doesn't matter who fired the trigger, at the end of the day everyone who was involved, searching for him, helping each other (Countries) etc. were the cause of his death. For example:

Person X tells person D to shoot person F, person D has to follow person X's order (for whatever reason, it doesn't matter) and person X shoots person F. Who's to blame? Simply both person X and D.
Just because we were there does not mean we had any involvement nor intell.
But, the fact that we are in Afghanistan and Iraq at all does place a lot of unremovable blood on our hands.
There is nothing saying Australia were involved in this mission, nor intelligence. Until there is, we get no credit.
But, as Antarctic said: "America doing what it does best, taking credit for everything, I don't hear any mention of all of the other countries which have helped."
Even if we were there, America would take all the credit. Which is fine, but it's funny how people shake their heads when you mention the destruction, and out and out murder of civilians they can also take credit for if they so wish. (All involved nations are responsible here, of course. Since I apparently must clarify this.)
You think they were killed on purpose? Also can you provide proof? Don't forget we're talking about the death of a man who not only deserved to be killed, he was also the most wanted man in the world, his trial was fair, his lucky he didn't get tortured then killed slowly.
Over 1,000,000 innocent people, is a very big accident, Nathan.
We are talking about the death of a man who should have been executed, sure. But at the same time, I find it very rich how willing everyone is to ignore the path that was walked to get there (and believe me, that will continue to be walked.)
The civilian casualties have not finished. There should have been 0.
Did US solider's kill him? No? Well then exactly. I mean not even we (Australians) are great, don't you watch the news, Indians always get bashed just because their Indian.. No Country is perfect.
Of course I watch the news. I stay very informed, and make a point to do this.
We aren't perfect. But this was a mob, directly related to the incident. Something we don't hear of, the innocents acting out.
You think I've never experienced discrimination as a Muslim in this country? I know how it goes, bro.
Tell that to the Victim's parents, siblings, loved ones, friends, or any family members.
If they believe in justice, and the justice system - there should be absolutely no issue in that.
Have a look at our solider's in Afghanistan bud, do you see Julia over there with a gun and helmet fighting? No? Exactly
Our soldiers don't belong there.
 
I always thought that he died of a sickness and then his body disappeared, which would explain why it took this long to kill him. Apparently he's been alive all this time, it's shocking. Justice has been made though. This gives 9/11 victims what they have sought for so long. Justice.
 
Sayf Udeen said:
You think I've never experienced discrimination as a Muslim in this country?

You don't see the good parts behind his death because your too personally involved with Osama (as in culture wise) so of course your going to defend him. Which is why im going to stop arguing with you.

Anyway because you actually have the balls to give an argument, id be happy to buy you a beer anytime :great:

fokerss said:
it is just great he is dead for world peace.

World peace? Ha the world is far from it mate!
 
Long live America, I whish that all countires in the would would unite and fight against the terrorists, so we could get rid of this, one time for all.

When I saw this yester, I was pleased to see this, and Obams's speech was great too.
 
They way I look at it, you give up your human rights the day you start going around stripping people of their right to not be murdered. He's no different then any other serial killer as I would liken him to Charles Manson who used the same sort of tactics of murder by proxy as they both used followers to carry out their twisted demands. The only difference is the scope of their power and number of followers.

There were many who felt he would forever escape justice and be able to get away with his crimes. This just proves that is not the case and if we can catch the top guy in charge then we can catch or kill any of them. I say the victory is more of a symbolic and psychological one then a strategical victory.
 
Nathan said:
Sayf Udeen said:
You think I've never experienced discrimination as a Muslim in this country?

You don't see the good parts behind his death because your too personally involved with Osama (as in culture wise) so of course your going to defend him. Which is why im going to stop arguing with you.

Anyway because you actually have the balls to give an argument, id be happy to buy you a beer anytime :great:
Well, thank you for the discussion. But you think I'm biased based on culture, despite being of a very different background to that of Osama? Wow, you really don't know anything about me, so please do not assume.
I expressed that he deserved death. :S

A coffee will be fine, Muslims don't drink.
 
Firstly I've moved this thread to debate because no doubt it is a very strong subject and many will have their opinions on the matter as they have already.






My opinion,

I'm sceptical, the whole thing smells bad to me, while I totally and whole heartedly agree this man was behind bad things, I'm not sure that it is lawful for a government to go in and murder a human being. I feel that they should have captured this man and put him on trial , the same as they did with Saddam Hussain.

So far we only have the word of the US government that this is indeed fact...there is no independent evidence from any other outside source, the dead body, the DNA, the burial at sea?

The photograph being issued as proof by The Daily Mail has already been dismissed as a forgery and a Photoshop fake.

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I personally feel that this will run as a conspiracy theory for years to come?

My first thought was that it was strange that Barrack Obama has now gone from zero to hero overnight, very strange that the timing of this report may very well save him for re-election.

I also believe that not only is this not the end of Al Qaeda it may very well fuel the terrorism, there was not just the one man behind all these atrocities and as of now those others will be seeking revenge, we should all be vigilant.

Vary rarely am I a sceptical person, I'm almost always optimistic, never pessimistic but something just isn't sitting right with me? If I'm wrong I'll be the first to admit it.
 
Sayf Udeen said:
Of course they killed him, he has no right to a fair trial? Even the most clearly guilty in the USA have that right at their disposal...
Next time they'll just go arrest him in the middle of a firefight, then.
 
MissTake said:
Firstly I've moved this thread to debate because no doubt it is a very strong subject and many will have their opinions on the matter as they have already.






My opinion,

I'm sceptical, the whole thing smells bad to me, while I totally and whole heartedly agree this man was behind bad things, I'm not sure that it is lawful for a government to go in and murder a human being. I feel that they should have captured this man and put him on trial , the same as they did with Saddam Hussain.

So far we only have the word of the US government that this is indeed fact...there is no independent evidence from any other outside source, the dead body, the DNA, the burial at sea?

The photograph being issued as proof by The Daily Mail has already been dismissed as a forgery and a Photoshop fake.

(Contain explicit images)
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Compo ... log900.jpg

I personally feel that this will run as a conspiracy theory for years to come?

My first thought was that it was strange that Barrack Obama has now gone from zero to hero overnight, very strange that the timing of this report may very well save him for re-election.

I also believe that not only is this not the end of Al Qaeda it may very well fuel the terrorism, there was not just the one man behind all these atrocities and as of now those others will be seeking revenge, we should all be vigilant.

Vary rarely am I a sceptical person, I'm almost always optimistic, never pessimistic but something just isn't sitting right with me? If I'm wrong I'll be the first to admit it.

I agree to Matt, and I also am kind of skeptical of this incident. I mean come on its the US Government, they lie like hell. He was killed in a firefight so his body was unrecognizable, so they say they had enough "dna" to confirm the body is his.. but who really knows? Osama's height is 6'4, and it was on the news the height wasn't the same but the dna was of his. We all know how easy it is to fool dna. But I hop its him thats dead.
 
Had osama surrendered, he would have his fair trial. But he didn't,
There was a gun fight & he was shot. Standard police work.
 
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