Nathan said:
Easy bud.
That's the problem with forums and internet chatting in general, you can't read into what is meant by what is said due to it being typed and not spoken. I took it as you getting critical so my apologies. 🙂
Osama Bin Laden is dead!
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Easy bud.
That's the problem with forums and internet chatting in general, you can't read into what is meant by what is said due to it being typed and not spoken. I took it as you getting critical so my apologies. 🙂
SheepishWolf
Paragon
In the end, he killed, we killed. Just because he killed people for no reason, we have to kill him for no reason? That's not right. All killing is the same. Also, had we put him in jail, perhaps he could have possibly realized what he did was wrong. It wouldn't make anything better, but it would help him individually.dan213 said:
Anathema said:
But he wasn't killed for no reason... He was killed because he murdered thousands of innocent people and could have possibly done a lot more in the future. Just think about it, what if it was your house that was his next target? Would you still feel the same way about his much deserved death?
And no he would never realize that what he did was wrong, because in his eyes, what he did was his belief that he was doing the right thing.
Hobbies230
Resident
One, we had a reason, and two, like I said in an earlier post, what else were they to do in the midst of a firefight?Anathema said:
Also, it has to take quite a lot of faith in humans to think that Osama would have some sort moral epiphany if he were to serve jail time. The world isn't a Hollywood movie.
SheepishWolf
Paragon
So because he killed people we have the right to kill him? And yes, I believe I would. My brother and some friends were in the 9/11 attack, I think that is close enough to your example. What bad would have come out of him being in jail?Nathan said:
And beliefs can't change?
From what I've read in the story, they were inside his house when this happened. It was just him and his family...to the soldiers. I don't think that he would have been able to get away if he wanted to once we got there. So we could have just waited for him to stop putting up a fight. Or bring him down with means other than just killing.Hobbies230 said:
Anathema said:
Well IMO yes (an eye for an eye, seems fair), that and the fact that he is a huge threat to kill again in the future. What's not fair is when you think he didn't deserve to be killed just because he killed other people, well the people he killed didn't deserve to be killed cause they didn't do anything at all, so why should he have the chance? Where was their chance? Well you say you would now, but I doubt that, and I don't know how you can't be at least a little bit happy that the murderer of your brother (sorry for your loss) and your friends (again, sorry for your loss) has been killed.
Well there's the possibility of him escaping and attacking again. Also don't forget his organization threatened "If Osama is ever captured or killed, we will release a nuclear hellstorm" (or something along those lines) well really if he was captured they probably would have gone through with it, but his death has actually brought them grief and little hope (I would presume that would happen when a leader dies..) so the chance is less likely.
Beliefs can change, but who are we to force someone that what they believe in is wrong? Sure what he believed in was not only wrong, but messed up, however that's what he chose to believe in, just like you chose to believe in the "decent" side of things, for example, murder is wrong, racism is wrong, swearing in public is wrong, etc. don't forget third world Countries don't have specific "police" like developed Countries do, therefore right and wrong over there is totally different to right and wrong over here.
Anyway everyone has different opinions and whilst I respect yours, I do believe you need to re-evaluate the situation and see the point that I (and some others) are trying to make.
Anathema said:
First, he wouldn't of been in jail. He would of been executed anyways for the crimes he committed, if not let go (because of corruptness) or potentially would've escaped.
Second, there are some beliefs that won't change just as the one you are displaying here. You appear to be against the actions taken (correct me if I'm wrong) and you aren't going to shift your beliefs because of what is being posted here.
When someone is a fanatic (Referring to Osama), trying to change their beliefs is next to impossible, this is not someone that can be rehabilitated. This is someone that needs to be dealt with and maybe taken off the map, if not, he will only continue to hurt more innocent people.
To get personal with myself - If someone is shooting at me while in the military or on the streets outside my house, you better believe I will be shooting back and I couldn't care less about whether or not they live or die, my job is to come home that night. I exercise my right in America to bear arms and if I'm threatened or my family is threatened, I will take actions needed. That is no longer murder or a crime, that is self defense.
He shot at the team during a raid that was conducted and we shot back and killed him.
The 9/11 attacks on the United States was only one occurrence that was connected with Al Qaeda and ultimately Osama Bin Laden. He didn't only display hatred towards the United States, but to much of the world.
Anyways, everyone is different and has different beliefs and backgrounds here at and FP and beyond. This thread is going to continue to be a blood bath of debates and disagreements. I do respect your opinion but would have to disagree with you which is another freedom we have 🙂
Hobbies230
Resident
There could have been security in there as well. It was, after all, a large terrorist compound (not exactly just "his house"). If not, are you suggesting that the American soldiers simply let themselves be shot at while they run out of ammunition? Would you want them to wait there and do nothing, allowing time for Osama to escape (which he certainly would have had the chance of doing) and for the gunfire to draw attention to the building, even further endangering the soliders' lives?Anathema said:
They went in, did what they had to do, and got out. In an ideal world no one would have to be killed, but we don't exactly live in an ideal world, do we?
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Deleted member 7467
While I do believe we should have put him in jail, I don't believe this for the same reason as you. We should have interrogated him...Anathema said:
Anyways, I'm still highly skeptical about this. It was a bit to perfect, in my opinion.
Bad Bieber said:
Another touchy post I'll make 😛
I wouldn't of minded some water boarding going on with him, not sure someone of his degree would crack but nonetheless...
For those that may not know what that is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding
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Deleted member 7467
I merely said interrogate. I in no way condone the use of torturous methods.
I realize interrogating him would no doubt prove futile but it would be worth a shot.
Like I said, I'm still skeptical it was actually just him. I believe the government has the power to control what the media tells us, and use this to their benefit.......
I realize interrogating him would no doubt prove futile but it would be worth a shot.
Like I said, I'm still skeptical it was actually just him. I believe the government has the power to control what the media tells us, and use this to their benefit.......
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Deleted member 7467
While that's true, I think Obama might be taking a gamble here to merely try to gain some popularity so he can run for re-election.Nathan said:
However, if it is true, makes me wonder what kind of connections Obama holds to have found out his whereabouts so easily.
Bad Bieber said:
Absolutely. There is also some information as stated in previous posts that is kept classified and not released till a later date.
Edit: I also agree that this may be a effort by Obama to gain a bit of popularity.
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Deleted member 7467
I don't/didn't feel like reading through this topic so I merely entered the topic in response to the first post and a post I found on the last page. :lol:dan213 said:
There's more to this then there telling us... I'm sorry, my mind is geared more to think of how corrupted the government is.
Bad Bieber said:
:lol:
I agree with you that it does seem a bit odd how the whole thing played out. Now I do believe that he is dead and I am happy that he is, I made that obvious in previous posts.
Now they have reported that there were a total of 4 (?) deaths in this raid of a compound. I'm too lazy to look up the definition of a compound but when I hear compound I think of large building with big walls and lots of troops / security. So out of a whole compound, there were only 4 targets to eliminate? I don't know, maybe I'm missing something but it seems like there is a piece missing in the puzzle.
It just seemed way too easy for them to land two Black Hawks and slip in. There are more than enough secrets in the government, whether it be the USA or another country.
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