Pirate Party UK is Official
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katy perry is hot
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Not going to last. A pirate party will never hold a parliamentary majority or even be close to get the premiership.
@Irviding
My case is simple. Recent reports that have been published shows that in the UK, the average person aged between 14 and 22 has 8,000 illegal music tracks on his / her computer. These are the people that will be taking office in 10-20 years, these are the people that will be making the laws. What honestly is saying "no" to all this now? The older generation, the laws haven't caught up with the technology. Once the younger generation steps up in a few years, the laws will get changed in some direction.
@Subz
Assuming the UK Party takes off as much as the Swedish one did, and it spreads from the UK to Spain and other countries, parliamentary may be full of Pirates. Since they make some rulings every now and then that affect everyone, you would be indirectly affected.
My case is simple. Recent reports that have been published shows that in the UK, the average person aged between 14 and 22 has 8,000 illegal music tracks on his / her computer. These are the people that will be taking office in 10-20 years, these are the people that will be making the laws. What honestly is saying "no" to all this now? The older generation, the laws haven't caught up with the technology. Once the younger generation steps up in a few years, the laws will get changed in some direction.
@Subz
Assuming the UK Party takes off as much as the Swedish one did, and it spreads from the UK to Spain and other countries, parliamentary may be full of Pirates. Since they make some rulings every now and then that affect everyone, you would be indirectly affected.
katy perry is hot
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ℓєσ gнσѕт said:
It's totally ridiculous Ghost. It's against the law and it's blatant stealing. You're stealing from the musicians, and the record companies.
Trust me Parliament isn't going to have any pirates in it in the UK. The UK = a world power Sweden = A country with little or no influence.
It's hard to explain but if you were a political person you'd understand.
@Irviding
If the Pirate party is blunt stealing then explain how a corrupt power was able to successful gain a vote in parliament? Open your eyes mate, it's not stealing, it's the future and whether you like it or not it's what's happening. Denying things will get you no where, the music powers are learning that and have admitted to it:
The study was done by http://www.ukmusic.org/ an umbrella organization representing the interests of various elements of the UK music industry, from artists through to record labels, publishers, producers and collecting societies and counts the BPI among its members.
You personally may not be involved in such things, but majority rules these days, and from that report, majority is speaking clearly for itself.
Also, Sweden may be of little or no influence, but when things like The Pirate Bay happen the rest of the world is sure to notice, arn't they? It only takes the little guy to throw a rock to start a rebellion, history has shown us that. What started in Sweden has moved into the EU, and now the UK. The states are next, and there is already Pirate Party's set up here and are growing as well. Just wait until the current teenage generations reach the age to vote, it'll be an entire new world 😉
If the Pirate party is blunt stealing then explain how a corrupt power was able to successful gain a vote in parliament? Open your eyes mate, it's not stealing, it's the future and whether you like it or not it's what's happening. Denying things will get you no where, the music powers are learning that and have admitted to it:
The study was done by http://www.ukmusic.org/ an umbrella organization representing the interests of various elements of the UK music industry, from artists through to record labels, publishers, producers and collecting societies and counts the BPI among its members.
You personally may not be involved in such things, but majority rules these days, and from that report, majority is speaking clearly for itself.
Also, Sweden may be of little or no influence, but when things like The Pirate Bay happen the rest of the world is sure to notice, arn't they? It only takes the little guy to throw a rock to start a rebellion, history has shown us that. What started in Sweden has moved into the EU, and now the UK. The states are next, and there is already Pirate Party's set up here and are growing as well. Just wait until the current teenage generations reach the age to vote, it'll be an entire new world 😉
I can clearly see that nothing major will come of this party, maybe one seat in pariliment but i cannot see it coming to power. People want to see other importants things happen instead of a group of people changing pirating laws.
katy perry is hot
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Exactly.Van1lla ™ said:
I care more about the economy, and social justice, rather than pirating laws.
Ghost is it fair for you to just walk into a movie theater and sneak in and watch the movie without paying? No. Is it fair for you to go into gamestop and steal 10 games then walk out?
That's what pirating is.
The main problem i have is that it will make movies crap. With less money going to the movies and less people getting paid, it will mean that movies will get crapper. And instead of something with really great CGI like War of the Worlds for example we will get something like Star Wars now. (Note i mean the First 3).
The Pirate Party is pushing more reforms that just pirate laws, they are for better privacy laws, as an example. If you'd take the time to look into them, you'd learn that there's a lot more going than just the piracy stuff.
If you steal a CD from a store, you get a $300 fine. If you download a CD online you get $30,000 for each track. The laws don't match up, the laws do not match the technology. Fix your laws and then we'll talk about how thick the line between stealing and creative freedoms should be.
If you steal a CD from a store, you get a $300 fine. If you download a CD online you get $30,000 for each track. The laws don't match up, the laws do not match the technology. Fix your laws and then we'll talk about how thick the line between stealing and creative freedoms should be.
It seems the only polices i could find on them were these:
* Copyright Policy Working Group
* Privacy Policy Working Group
* Freedom of Speech Policy Working Group
A far right wing party has better policys than that, of which they want to help the country more. These things does not help the country, and are not that important. I would rather see a party that will deal with things such as Transport, energy, schools, defence, crime, immigration etc.
* Copyright Policy Working Group
* Privacy Policy Working Group
* Freedom of Speech Policy Working Group
A far right wing party has better policys than that, of which they want to help the country more. These things does not help the country, and are not that important. I would rather see a party that will deal with things such as Transport, energy, schools, defence, crime, immigration etc.
katy perry is hot
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Seriously. A fascist party would do better things than that 😛Van1lla ™ said:
Ghost, the fact is things like this will never happen in a big developed nation. Example, many politicians are personally against pot being illegal, but when they introduce a bill to make it legal, they're called the following:
Pro drugs
Drug users
Against the children
And won't be re-elected. The same thing with piracy, people will call them " On the side of criminals " or " Not tough on crime " and no re-election.
@Irviding
Meh, the only thing I can say on the "re-elected" part is that the "Pirates" are more intouch with the technology that drives the media than the media people are themselves, and thus could possibly control the Public Relations better overall. Hollywood really seems to fail at getting teenagers to stop piracy, even their ads on "I wouldn't Steal" didn't do anything. However, the Pirate Bay case got teenagers all over talking, even my teachers at school (they went to a meeting thing where they were instructed to use TPB to cut down on costs for display videos in class) Anyway, if the Pirates were able to make the Industry look terrible, it could still be swung their way, especially since we'd be dealing with a different voting group than we are now. The generations that will be voting in the next 10-20 years have a completely different view on the subject, as most (61% in the UK) were pirates themselves as kids.
Meh, the only thing I can say on the "re-elected" part is that the "Pirates" are more intouch with the technology that drives the media than the media people are themselves, and thus could possibly control the Public Relations better overall. Hollywood really seems to fail at getting teenagers to stop piracy, even their ads on "I wouldn't Steal" didn't do anything. However, the Pirate Bay case got teenagers all over talking, even my teachers at school (they went to a meeting thing where they were instructed to use TPB to cut down on costs for display videos in class) Anyway, if the Pirates were able to make the Industry look terrible, it could still be swung their way, especially since we'd be dealing with a different voting group than we are now. The generations that will be voting in the next 10-20 years have a completely different view on the subject, as most (61% in the UK) were pirates themselves as kids.
Each of you can stand here and say that they won't be big, however each of you cannot stand here and say you are happy with the way things are. I remember Sbfc was mad when he couldn't use his personal iTunes collection to allow others users to listen on his site, i'm sure we all have stories like that.
The bottom line is, the world, as well as the political world, changes to reflect advancements in technology. If it weren't for technology such as the wheel, or even technology used to build homes we wouldn't be here now. In the past slavery was the big issue, and as new technology was invented to replace slaves the political parties reflected that. I predict the same will happen once the current teenage generations catch up with the laws, they will be changed and so will all political views as a whole to reflect a streamlined system with the technology of the time.
That's all I can do right now, post facts and predict.
The bottom line is, the world, as well as the political world, changes to reflect advancements in technology. If it weren't for technology such as the wheel, or even technology used to build homes we wouldn't be here now. In the past slavery was the big issue, and as new technology was invented to replace slaves the political parties reflected that. I predict the same will happen once the current teenage generations catch up with the laws, they will be changed and so will all political views as a whole to reflect a streamlined system with the technology of the time.
That's all I can do right now, post facts and predict.
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ℓєσ gнσѕт said:
It's true. What ghost says. Piracy is getting better and better each time with new technology. Teenagers won't stop illegally downloading anything. It's like saying teenagers don't drink underage or don't smoke. Kids do things just because they are against the law. TPB case got my whole town into a roar. We had everyone asking how to illegally download and where do you get your stuff from as TPB is down. The fact is when this generation comes of the age to vote things WILL change, it's a fact. Most things illegal will be made legal. There are more of us than there is of you, the longer it progresses the more people can vote and the more laws will become legal. It's a fact. Everyone under the age of 18 has done something illegal, I don't think there are many kids that are clean. I bet even the adults when they were kids did illegal things, it's just proving it really. The pirate party will eventually get power. The world has changed, it's fact and there's nothing you can do about it, so sit pretty and try to enjoy the ride. 🙂
Look at it this way, if 2/5 kids share the same view as you guys do, that isn't enough to get someone with your view elected after our generation gains the right to vote. In today's world, people trust people with the same views. If a politician gets up in front our our generation and says he too is a pirate, he downloads, and he's going to show us a working model that fixes the entire piracy problem, gives us free music, and gets the artist paid, they're going to go for it. That's what the pirate party has, working models. What does the industry lack? Working models.
They have admitted to the problem, they know it is real and they can't sue their way out of it forever. At some point, our generation will take over, and if they do not conform to our working models, they will indeed lose billions of dollars, all control of the entertainment world, and all respect. If they stop now, and support the change they will be fine in the long run. Afterall, TV advertisers will never turn down the opportunity to have their product endorsed by a famous person, even if that person became famous because they released their stuff on piracy networks, where most of the teenage attention and focus is right now.
They have admitted to the problem, they know it is real and they can't sue their way out of it forever. At some point, our generation will take over, and if they do not conform to our working models, they will indeed lose billions of dollars, all control of the entertainment world, and all respect. If they stop now, and support the change they will be fine in the long run. Afterall, TV advertisers will never turn down the opportunity to have their product endorsed by a famous person, even if that person became famous because they released their stuff on piracy networks, where most of the teenage attention and focus is right now.
katy perry is hot
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I still don't think that you should be able to legally download a file for free on the internet. People work very hard on these things. Adobe photoshop, should that be free?
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Yes it should really. As gimp has proven, you can do it for free with good results. It's as good as CS1 now if not CS2, it's just a little behind as it was started a far while after photoshop. If they can do it for free and the makers are getting a income for FREE software why can't photoshop? I bet even you agree it is overpriced.
You may want to read up on why Open Source software is a good choice;
http://www.wired.com/techbiz/startups/m ... rentPage=4
The future, whether you like it or not, it's free and full of community driven projects. This very forum is a community, it shares a common goal, it is an open source project of sorts.
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