Should we allow better gun control?
- Thread starter Beetle King
- Start date
D
Deleted member 1609
Ooh, I see. I voted for Jill Stein personally.
Part of me wants to believe that this whole banning guns idea is just a scheme by Democrats to make American citizens less powerful. After all, in the constitution, part of the reason for the 2nd amendment was protection from the government, and I think a lot of people kind of forget that, or the thought never occurs to them.
Watch Me Sink
Madly Diligent
Rocky Anderson?Cosmic said:
ATiRAGEPRO
Reputable
Yes, I think there should be better gun control.
For criminals.
If I were to go buy a .22 right now, I would have to go through a background check, wait 5 days and spend $200, yet any felon on parole can buy an AK47 or a bushmaster for $40 out of the trunk of some guy's car in like 5 minutes. The only thing gun restrictions, waiting periods and background checks have done so far is make it comparatively easier to get a gun on the black market, as apposed to legal channels like a neighborhood gun store.
Laws don't prevent crime. Laws only levy punishments for crimes already committed, and whether or not someone commits a crime will always come down to choice. These types of laws only apply to those people willing to follow the law. CRIMINALS DON'T GIVE A $#!T ABOUT THE LAW!
The control-freak Politicians promoting gun "bans" never seem to remember that there is a difference between a criminal and a law-abiding citizen. They act like everyone gets their guns from the same place.
For criminals.
If I were to go buy a .22 right now, I would have to go through a background check, wait 5 days and spend $200, yet any felon on parole can buy an AK47 or a bushmaster for $40 out of the trunk of some guy's car in like 5 minutes. The only thing gun restrictions, waiting periods and background checks have done so far is make it comparatively easier to get a gun on the black market, as apposed to legal channels like a neighborhood gun store.
Laws don't prevent crime. Laws only levy punishments for crimes already committed, and whether or not someone commits a crime will always come down to choice. These types of laws only apply to those people willing to follow the law. CRIMINALS DON'T GIVE A $#!T ABOUT THE LAW!
The control-freak Politicians promoting gun "bans" never seem to remember that there is a difference between a criminal and a law-abiding citizen. They act like everyone gets their guns from the same place.
Warrior King
New Arrival
We always hear it "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" Set a gun on your coffee table and don't let anyone touch it for five years. You know how many people it will kill? None because it will rust and become a piece of useless corroded metal. My children were the youngest children in Colorado history to take a gun control class. Now they are all grown up and so far they haven't killed anyone. Isn't that amazing? Gun laws only work if we enforce them. Maybe if we did that we wouldn't need any new ones, What a concept!
You can put all the gun control and banning you want, it won't matter. If people want something, they are going to do whatever it takes to get it. Banning guns will only hurt those of us who are do what is required by law to own a gun. Criminals and people who just want to kill and going to find a way to get a gun.
Look how "well" banning alcohol did, and how "well" banning all kinds of drugs does. It doesn't work, same will happen with guns.
Look how "well" banning alcohol did, and how "well" banning all kinds of drugs does. It doesn't work, same will happen with guns.
I would like to add some opinion on this topic from completely different perspective. I live in Poland, a country which has one of the strictest gun control law across Europe. If you want a gun, you must fulfil a form, pass complicated mental health tests and last but not least, convince the board that you are in constant danger and a gun will help you protect yourself. It means that it's practically impossible to get a gun if you are not PEP (politically exposed person) or rich businessman.
With situation like that, you are probably interested how high the gun violence in Poland is? It almost doesn't exist! I hear that somebody is shot once a couple of years!
"Oh common, Poland is completely different country that US is!" - you say and you have right. There is no tradition to have a gun in Poland. There is very strong tradition in the US to have a gun to protect family. There is very strong awareness of law and especially the 2nd amendment in US. I think fighting with tradition to change the law is impossible.
Unlike in Poland, where after Second War Two government took all guns away with a big help of apparatus of coercion, there is no possibility to take all people's guns away in US. There is also too big market and demands for guns in US to fight with this. We can say there is no need to take all guns away.
I think the only one solution is to work on keeping statistically most potentially dangerous types of people away from guns. Are they mentally ill? Are they children? Are they … (who feed next types?) Everybody who might be emotionally unstable shouldn't have easy possibility to get a gun. What do you mean saying “keep that people away form guns” – you ask. I mean if you have a gun, you should be perfectly aware that you are absolutely responsible to protect … no, not yourself at first, but to protect your gun from potentially dangerous people (yes, your kids included, even educated ones and I’m not saying about supervising situations) at first. What do you think about it?
With situation like that, you are probably interested how high the gun violence in Poland is? It almost doesn't exist! I hear that somebody is shot once a couple of years!
"Oh common, Poland is completely different country that US is!" - you say and you have right. There is no tradition to have a gun in Poland. There is very strong tradition in the US to have a gun to protect family. There is very strong awareness of law and especially the 2nd amendment in US. I think fighting with tradition to change the law is impossible.
Unlike in Poland, where after Second War Two government took all guns away with a big help of apparatus of coercion, there is no possibility to take all people's guns away in US. There is also too big market and demands for guns in US to fight with this. We can say there is no need to take all guns away.
I think the only one solution is to work on keeping statistically most potentially dangerous types of people away from guns. Are they mentally ill? Are they children? Are they … (who feed next types?) Everybody who might be emotionally unstable shouldn't have easy possibility to get a gun. What do you mean saying “keep that people away form guns” – you ask. I mean if you have a gun, you should be perfectly aware that you are absolutely responsible to protect … no, not yourself at first, but to protect your gun from potentially dangerous people (yes, your kids included, even educated ones and I’m not saying about supervising situations) at first. What do you think about it?
I recall reading an article which stated that around 80% of the school shootings in the US were performed by people with no prior convictions, using legally-purchased weaponry. Similarly, the fellow who shot up the Batman movie. All of his gear was legal. Even the assault rifle.
I'm not against guns entirely. I just don't think you need an M16 for home protection.
I'm not against guns entirely. I just don't think you need an M16 for home protection.
D
Deleted member 17779
Today's criminals don't follow the laws you have now, so how would making more laws help stop school shootings? They won't. The criminals pay not heed to the laws you have in place today and will not pay heed to any law you make in the future. Putting more restrictions on guns will just make things harder on the law abiding citizens who do nothing to harm others around them, it does nothing to deter the criminals that are responsible for things like that. So what's the point?
froggyboy604
Seasoned Veteran
Gun control is harder these days with new ways of making guns like 3D Printing.
I read an article which says 3D printing is now making it harder for people to know who owns a gun since a person with an affordable 3D printer can use a file downloaded from the internet to print a gun out to make a fully functional plastic gun which can shoot real bullets. Although, the owner still needs to buy the bullets unless he makes bullets himself.
Maybe the government should make it easier for people to use Smartphone Apps, Facebook, and Twitter to report suspicious people for the police to keep an eye on.
I read an article which says 3D printing is now making it harder for people to know who owns a gun since a person with an affordable 3D printer can use a file downloaded from the internet to print a gun out to make a fully functional plastic gun which can shoot real bullets. Although, the owner still needs to buy the bullets unless he makes bullets himself.
Maybe the government should make it easier for people to use Smartphone Apps, Facebook, and Twitter to report suspicious people for the police to keep an eye on.
Hyperminimalism
Familiar Face
As much as I'd like to see gun control come into the mix, I know it is a ridiculous idea and would never happen. Which is why the smartest thing to do is require mandatory background checks that include a mental health history, better educate gun owners as it is solely their responsibility to make sure their weapons are properly cleaned, stored and handled. We should also focus on mental health education and find some way to make it less of a stigma for folks so as not to dissuade them from seeking it. In addition to the mental health suggestion, I think we should also better educate the entire population about the effects on the human body, the individual, the family and the community.
Watch Me Sink
Madly Diligent
That's a ridiculous comparison. M16's have been illegal (or extremely restricted, if you want to pull teeth) for civilians to own for quite some time now.Cat said:
D
Deleted member 17779
Hyperminimalism said:
I agree with this. We should make it mandatory to have background check to get guns because apparently it is not required to do a background check if you are buying a gun from an individual at a gun show. I found that out when my significant other went to a gun show with a friend of his and his friend was able to buy a gun without having to go through a background check.
However, we'd have to get rid of the black market or wherever else criminals are able to get their guns for this to be completely helpful.
The culture is a bigger problem than the guns themselves. There are countries with far less strict gun policies with far less crime; some even issue guns to their citizens and provide them with firearms training.
The stats don't lie:
Firearm death rate per 100,000 in one year:
USA: 10.3
NZ: 1.45
Aus: 1.06
UK: 0.25
Guns per 100 residents:
USA: 89
NZ: 22.6
Aus: 15
England & Wales: 6.2
The number of guns is basically proportional to the number of firearm related deaths. Placing restrictions on gun ownership will result in less deaths. Pretty simple.
Firearm death rate per 100,000 in one year:
USA: 10.3
NZ: 1.45
Aus: 1.06
UK: 0.25
Guns per 100 residents:
USA: 89
NZ: 22.6
Aus: 15
England & Wales: 6.2
The number of guns is basically proportional to the number of firearm related deaths. Placing restrictions on gun ownership will result in less deaths. Pretty simple.
Affiliates
