Socialism vs. Capitalism

[cityStatic]

Which do you believe is better - Socialism or Capitalism?

I believe (obviously) that Socialism is better. Although most countries are free market, there is no such thing as true Capitalism. To quote Snobothehobo, "In my opinion, democracy and socialism go together far better than democracy and capitalism do. Millions of people in the United States aren't free at all." People often connect Socialism with the USSR and thus think that Socialism is bad as the USSR failed, but refuse to realise that it was because Stalin was a Statist.

 

[lordelian]

I would choise The Chinese form of Socialism.

 

[Cosmic]

Although most countries are free market, there is no such thing as true Capitalism.

That is a particularity lame talking point. Of course there isn't. There is little pure anything.

To quote Snobothehobo[...]

why are you quoting someone who hasn't even graduated from College, maybe not even high-school, yet?

People often connect Socialism with the USSR and thus think that Socialism is bad as the USSR failed,

That's a valid point, because it's a good idea to LEARN FROM HISTORY.

but refuse to realise that it was because Stalin was a Statist.

Stalin was long is his grave before the Soviet Union failed.

I don't even know why this question is being asked. I suggest y'all trip off all of your possessions, including your computer and internet, then sit in the middle of a field yelling out as loud as you can "I am finally free from capitalism!!!".

 

[cityStatic]

Although most countries are free market, there is no such thing as true Capitalism.

That is a particularity lame talking point. Of course there isn't. There is little pure anything.

To quote Snobothehobo[...]

why are you quoting someone who hasn't even graduated from College, maybe not even high-school, yet?

People often connect Socialism with the USSR and thus think that Socialism is bad as the USSR failed,

That's a valid point, because it's a good idea to LEARN FROM HISTORY.

but refuse to realise that it was because Stalin was a Statist.

Stalin was long is his grave before the Soviet Union failed.

I don't even know why this question is being asked. I suggest y'all trip off all of your possessions, including your computer and internet, then sit in the middle of a field yelling out as loud as you can "I am finally free from capitalism!!!".

1- Well, some people actually believe that either a country is purely Capitalist or purely Socialist. *coughdamnAmericanscough*

2- Meh, it was much easier than posting umptrillion links such as http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... _socialism

3- My point is only valid if the sentence is taken as a whole and not two parts.

 

[Watch Me Sink]

Again, with the coughing. I suggest Robitussin DM, after that I'd say contact your doctor.


Obviously, pure capitalism or pure socialism/communism cannot exist and any of those would easily fail in pure form.

I believe in anarcho capitalism, with some government ownership such as roads, a military and police force, etc. Socialism and communism don't work in the fact that hard work never pays off. Why work hard when somebody else can support you?

 

[Cosmic]

I believe in "Limited power to the federal government and everything else top the states and then to the people", as did the founding fathers of the United States.

 

[P8I.com]

Capitalism. Socialism doesn't bring people out poverty. It keeps people in it. It isn't coincidental that socialist and communist nations have famines and capitalist nations don't.

And I don't understand what he meant by many people in America aren't free at all...? We're freer than most nations, particularly in the area of speech.

 

[cityStatic]

Capitalism. Socialism doesn't bring people out poverty. It keeps people in it. It isn't coincidental that socialist and communist nations have famines and capitalist nations don't.

And I don't understand what he meant by many people in America aren't free at all...? We're freer than most nations, particularly in the area of speech.

1- Great Depression, then look at the newspaper.

2- Herm... maybe because illegal immigrants don't have a path to become a citizen?

 

[Watch Me Sink]

1-GD and recessions last a few years, the famine in North Korea and the famines in Russia during the USSR years lasted much longer.

2-Yes there is. It may not be easy or desireable, but many people become citizens.

 

[P8I.com]

"2- Herm... maybe because illegal immigrants don't have a path to become a citizen?"

But that is unrelated to capitalism. We don't prohibit immigration. Illegal immigrants do have a path to citizenship....through the front door. I'm not one of those people who says "deport 'em all," but I don't support validating their illegal actions either. First and foremost, we need to worry about enforcing the border and keeping legal Americans safe. This discussion about amnesty can come later.

 

[Cosmic]

If american citizens can't even get jobs, I don't think we need anyone from mexico coming in.

as I always say, the american capitalist system is open source. They don't have to swim through the gulf of mexico to enjoy capitalism.

 

[katy perry is hot]

I don't believe in full capitalism or full socialism. An inbetween leaning towards socialism is best in my view.

 

[el canadiano]

We don't live in a black or white world. You won't have a 100% Capitalist or a 100% Socialist world in this day and age. It's amazing that the society that Deng Xiaoping, Jiang Zemin, and Hu Jintao built was rather traditionalist and capitalist, amongst all things.

I prefer a mix myself, though I lean towards capitalist. You just need the government to be allowed to make rules for the better of a company (ie. legislation to block leverage), just so that we can learn from our mistakes of 1929. I don't really want the government almost getting control of my every action, but I don't want the corporations to do the same thing. It does amaze me that guys like Universal Music Group have the power to force kids to buy Justin Bieber CDs and that stuff. Older people don't really get to control the music industry, since they target kids so much. Talk about taking candy from a baby.

As for illegal immigration, what kind of job can you honestly get without documented evidence you're a citizen of the country you live in? Other than those dangerous, low-paying jobs like cutting meat and living in those trailers those companies set up? In a way, you should let an American Citizen get that kind of job, but they have rights that illegal immigrants don't, and frankly, guys like Tyson, Smithfield Foods, and all them don't like that, and would rather hire some low-paying Latino.

 

[Deleted member 1609]

Capitalism works.



For the rich, that is. That being said, I would consider myself a libertarian Marxist.

 

[katy perry is hot]

I would consider myself a libertarian Marxist.

That's a new one.

 

[el canadiano]

Mind you, social democracy is an absolutely different field from absolute socialism (top left vs. bottom left). The same goes for conservatism vs. social conservatism (for those who don't know, social conservatism is when you want a big government to promote traditionalist/old/conservative values).

 

[Deleted member 1609]

I would consider myself a libertarian Marxist.

That's a new one.

Not exactly. It's just a different interpretation of what Marx said than Stalin's.

 

[Cosmic]

Well, I would call myself a Libertarian Capitalist. Pretty big difference it seems. :lol:

Anyway, I think it's impossible to be a libertarian Marxist, or at least hard. Libertarians, generally, want the government to get the heck out of their lives. socialists like to be told what kind of toilet paper to use by the government.

 

[katy perry is hot]

Well, I would call myself a Libertarian Capitalist. Pretty big difference it seems. :lol:

Anyway, I think it's impossible to be a libertarian Marxist, or at least hard. Libertarians, generally, want the government to get the heck out of their lives. socialists like to be told what kind of toilet paper to use by the government.

No they don't.

Socialism is a purely economic philosophy. Libertarianism is social and economic. Social libertarianism, which you conservatives disagree with, would be legalizing marijuana, no interventionism, no stupid church initiatives, etc.

 

[Cosmic]

Yes, Libertarians quite often have weird opinions on some things, but I agree with them on 80% of things. Marijuana is not one of the issues I agree with them on.