Well, it passed

[Gimgak]

Look at today's albums. There's really only one (maybe two or three) good songs on many albums these days. Where were the days where there were nine good songs on a nine-song album (like Led Zeppelin's IV album, or what about Boston by Boston, or Rubber Soul by The Beatles)?

Now how does healthcare relate to the shit the RIAA produces today? 😛 This topic is veering in an interesting course...

 

[Deleted member 1609]

If I'm being honest, I get my news from various sources. I can't really tell you for sure.

I can tell you with a fair amount of confidence that I probably don't turn to any of the news sources you do, though.

 

[katy perry is hot]

I wouldn't say that they are very conservative (except maybe compared to a communist or similar), but there are a bunch that have conservative values. Gay marriage is one of the issues where most of the supporters are on the far left because it is such a liberal idea.

I don't that's true at all. Gay marriage is not such a "crazy wacked liberal idea" it is simply a belief in ensuring that all Americans have freedom, yes, conservatives, even gays.

 

[Watch Me Sink]

What I was saying is that gay marriage is such a liberal idea, that many self proclaimed "liberals" disagree with it. Same can be said with conservatives and the death penalty.

 

[Cosmic]

Eh, I think most of us conservatives here have no opinion on that topic, so there's very little to debate about. As the current and old administration aren't that different on it, then I think it's best we move on.

 

[cityStatic]

As for the Republicans being the civil rights party, have you ever heard of the Civil Rights Act of 1964? How about the current Republican party that denies civil rights to homosexuals?

In the preamble to the Constitution, it says, "...secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity." You could interpret that it could be for gay marriage (Blessings of Liberty).

I personally have no opinion on gay marriage, but if your going to bash conservatives on it, remember that Obama (and a number of other liberals) doesn't support it either.

I'm not bashing conservatives, I'm bashing homophobes.

 

[Deleted member 1609]

It's not that all conservatives are homophobes; it's just that most homophobes are conservatives.

 

[Nuke]

O lawd. This is a broad debate.

 

[Deleted member 1609]

O lawd. This is a broad debate.

There's really no point in debating the health care bill anymore since we've already established that neither the right nor the left are satisfied by it.

 

[cityStatic]

The left want more control, the right want less control. Thus, nobody can FREAKING COMPROMISE.[/rant]

 

[Cosmic]

The left want more control, the right want less control. Thus, nobody can FREAKING COMPROMISE.[/rant]

What if the states were left to enact policies like this on their own and the federal government kept out of it? Then liberal states( California) would be able to do what they want and conservative states (Texas) would be able to just ignore it. The idea may not work, but it's the only compromise which I can think of, really.

 

[Justin M]

The left want more control, the right want less control. Thus, nobody can FREAKING COMPROMISE.[/rant]

What if the states were left to enact policies like this on their own and the federal government kept out of it? Then liberal states( California) would be able to do what they want and conservative states (Texas) would be able to just ignore it. The idea may not work, but it's the only compromise which I can think of, really.

That would probably be the only logical solution. Insurance is already mandatory by law here in Mass so I don't know how this bill will affect us.

 

[Cosmic]

Massachusetts is pretty liberal, so that does seem to prove my point that liberal states could do it on their own. I can't see why states couldn't enforce other previsions of this bill in their jurisdiction either, like all the pre-existing conditions stuff. And if y'all don't like it, y'all can always vote out the elected officials. My representative voted "no", but I can't do anything about the guys who voted "yes", directly at least.

 

[Watch Me Sink]

The left want more control, the right want less control. Thus, nobody can FREAKING COMPROMISE.[/rant]

What if the states were left to enact policies like this on their own and the federal government kept out of it? Then liberal states( California) would be able to do what they want and conservative states (Texas) would be able to just ignore it. The idea may not work, but it's the only compromise which I can think of, really.

Perhaps the best post in this entire topic. I firmly believe in states rights (hence why I think this law is unconstitutional). If you don't like the way a certain state does something, move a few hundred miles in a direction, and live there. Liberals can have their liberal states, and conservatives can have their conservative states.

 

[MrJohn]

I don't think letting individual states choose is a good idea. I am all for it because I live in California, but if we start separating states on big issues like that we might as well split the country.

 

[Nuke]

The founding fathers, most prominently Thomas Jefferson, said:

"The states are the best level of government for domestic issues"

 

[cityStatic]

Letting seperate states pick and choose is like letting seperate states choose if they want the Constitution.

 

[Cosmic]

Letting seperate states pick and choose is like letting seperate states choose if they want the Constitution.

That happened, actually. They did vote on it when it was first created.

Hows abouts we abolish all states laws and make everything government mandated? What keeps the states from doing something like this if they can impose laws like this already?

 

[cityStatic]

Letting seperate states pick and choose is like letting seperate states choose if they want the Constitution.

That happened, actually. They did vote on it when it was first created.

Hows abouts we abolish all states laws and make everything government mandated? What keeps the states from doing something like this if they can impose laws like this already?

1- But it was when it was first created. If Pennsylvania abolishes the Constitution, but North Carolina doesn't, does that make any sense?

2- That sounds like a good idea.

 

[Cosmic]

While we're at it we can also abolish local ordinances and city laws. Then, all of america would have the same exact laws despite wherever you go. /sarcasm

Different places have different needs. Trust me, if there was no local government the US would be an even larger mess.