What do you think about Hitler

[Van1lla ™]

You do know that he was leader for quite a while before he started doing anything with genocide, he got Germany out of their great depression....and i can't be bothered to even explain, if you go read some essay's about him you will see why he was a good leader. You're pretty hypocritical saying they were ignorant when you yourself cannot and seemed to not even found out all the good things he did for Germany. He was also very clever man.

And taking a human life can never be fully justified, not even for self defence. If someone is capable of pulling a trigger while point a gun at someone else, they need to pay the price.

So does that mean all your soldiers out in Iraq should be punished?

 

[Callum93]

I think Hitler was a fantastic speaker and the Nazis were absolutely superb at manipulating people, however as other people in this thread have said, his mass extermination plans were wrong.

 

[Presty Willow]

You're pretty hypocritical saying they were ignorant when you yourself cannot and seemed to not even found out all the good things he did for Germany.

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I'm just being devil's advocate here, so don't think I'm getting all crazy because in all honestly, this subject is the least of my worries and frankly I don't care about Hitler at all because what's done is done. But, I what I was trying to say was that Hitler was able to get

Germany out of their great depression

but I'm sure he didn't suddenly just wake up one day and say, "Oh, I think I'm gonna kill all the Jews." He certainly had that intent way before he even did it. It was his opinion that he felt very passionate about that lead to the death of many Jews. Yes, he was capable of 'befriending', if you will, the German people by helping stabilize the country, but it was the German people who were ignorant for letting their beloved leader continue with acts that were clearly wrong.

And About War: Random people from the United States aren't just swimming over to Iraq and killing thousands of people. They are instructed to do so by the United States government. So, yes, I am saying that the US government should be held responsible for the death of the Iraqis because there are different ways to solving conflict rather than resorting to warfare and weapons of mass destruction. The Soldiers who are pulling the triggers, instructed by the government to do so, should pay the price to a certain extent. People have the choice whether or not that want to join the Army. People who willingly join the army to kill people should be held responsible because they are hardly impelled by the government. But people who do not want to be the in army but are forced to by the government (drafting) they should make the decision to go to jail because killing people is wrong! You all can argue with me about this all week but the bottom line is KILLING IS WRONG!

Hitler was a very manipulative man; clever as well. He was able to befriend the Germans and manipulate them to attempt to kill the Jews. That's it. He was not a good leader (in an ethical sense) or a good leader (in an effective sense). Some of you may say, " Oh well he nearly accomplished his goal of killing all the Jews. That's pretty effective." No, Killing an entire race is not something to be proud of and therefore someone should not be deemed a 'leader' for killing thousands and thousands of people and if we are trying to say that, then it is we who have become ignorant.

 

[ℓєσ gнσѕт]

Random people from the United States aren't just swimming over to Iraq and killing thousands of people. They are instructed to do so by the United States government.

Wasnt Hitler the government? He was acting through the gov when he did what he did...so your saying the nazi, the people who actually did the killing are to be let free of any crime, as our soliders are now? Lol, whatever then.

You all can argue with me about this all week but the bottom line is KILLING IS WRONG!

NO ITS NOT. If youd stop and think, if we did not kill you would have no meat, over population would occur with animals, and the world would goto hell much worse than it is now, with people killing. Humans are no different. The sad fact is, because the world has not agreed on a way to stop population growth, allowing people to die in war, battle, and even in the streets is an effective way to keep the population down.

He was able to befriend the Germans and manipulate them to attempt to kill the Jews. That's it. He was not a good leader (in an ethical sense) or a good leader (in an effective sense).

Not sure what you mean, the entire point of being leader is to be "manipulate" have you not seen what the USA polictaons do? If you think theyre all good people, your wrong. In an effective sense he was, he got people todo as he said, which is leading them.

No, Killing an entire race is not something to be proud of

If you ask me, its a shame he didnt kill an entire race, because he failed his dream and his goal. If you have the ability to kill an entire race, and you do it, what does that show? That your a great leader with a great deal of power. Managing that power and not bringing your own downfall is then the chanallenge, and if your able to withstand that, then well, your amazing.

On a personal note, I think you care abit too much about people you dont know. Im aware that certain people feel all killing is wrong, and some are taught to always be nice to others, no matter what. However, in today's day in age this is not possible to do effectivly without going broke, losing your job to a competitor, getting sued for trying to give medical aid to someone who needed it, but then died on you, ect. You just cant do it. Death is part of life, understand that and let things go. I wouldnt care if my best friend, parents, or even myself died tomarrow, or even today. Why? Because I know it will happen at some point or another. Its how you died that decides it really. Just get over it, death happen to us all anyway.

 

[Presty Willow]

*headdesk*

I guess I'm not being clear enough. Here's where I regret not taking debate.

Killing animals is fine. There is an obvious difference between killing human beings and animals (I'm sure we can all agree on that much.) So, lets just drop that subject completely. I'm just saying, taking lives is wrong.

If the world is not able to sustain human life without us killing one another, then I think everyone should say f*** the world and just start killing people and doing whatever you want left and right because it's justified anyways. I refuse to embrace the fact that the world is a terrible place. People have told me "Girls who talk down the streets at midnight deserved to get raped because they're putting themselves in the position to." What that person is saying is, "The world is a terrible place, don't do anything that's gonna screw you over." But I refuse to think such things. I'm an optimist and I like to think that we human being can be civilized and solve our problems in a fashion that doesn't involve bloodshed.

Now, here's where this argument fails: We never defined our topic.

"Good": Good Leader and Good leader can have multiple different meanings, two of which are Being a Ethical leader, doing good things, the right things, etc. Then there is being a good leader which is more or less having the skill to lead. I think it's unanimous that Hitler had the skill to lead. But was he an ethical man? That's where our argument broke down. I'll settle and say sure, Hitler was an effective man but it hurts to call him a leader because that word in my vocabulary gives someone the title that they should be idolized and not worshiped but looked up to. Hitler simply was not that. That is also where our argument broke down, with the word "leader". He was effective at leading in terms of convincing, manipulating, etc. However, he was not a "leader" in the sense that eh should be looked up to. I certainly don't want my kids telling me that Hitler is their hero and they want to grow up and be just like him...

And this is the last time I'm going to talk about this subject:

Wasnt Hitler the government? He was acting through the gov when he did what he did...so your saying the nazi, the people who actually did the killing are to be let free of any crime, as our soliders are now? Lol, whatever then.

Hitler should be held responsible for the death of the Jews because he did, as you said, act as the government. However, the ignorance of the Nazi's themselves for following this immoral and unethical leader gives them a share of the blame as well. That's also what I'm saying about the men and women fighting in Iraq. They have the choice of whether or not they are over there and although they are "forced" by the government, they have a choice.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a die hard American. But, I will never ever sit here and say that man killing man is alright. Because it never is. I don't care if he's a Jew, Saddam Husein, Osama, or anyone else. We all have a sacred life given to us by a higher power. Who are we to dictate when someone should and should not die.

*sigh*

This has made me a bit depressed.

 

[Presty Willow]

Oh and one other thing, Ghost, you scare me. But I respect the fact that you are able to say that

its a shame he didnt kill an entire race, because he failed his dream and his goal.

I see what your saying but the fact that you think that way scares me.

But I admire you, undoubtedly.

 

[Van1lla ™]

People did want to kill Hitler too when he started his genocide thats why there was an assassination attempt on his life created by the German Resistance. But with the SS and the Gestapo it meant they were always under watch.

......German Resistance to overthrow the Nazi regime. Its failure, both in Hitler's "Wolf's Lair" (Wolfschanze) Headquarters and then in Berlin's Bendlerblock, led to the arrest of at least 7,000 people by the Gestapo....

Bit like Stalin, if someone objected to him he would send them to kill them.

(Gestapo are the secret police btw).

 

[Callum93]

Ghost are you the best debater in your school? -lol-

 

[ℓєσ gнσѕт]

^Why on earth would you say that -?-

No, im not. My main goal in life to to fight with anyone about anything, even if im on the losing side, ill still fight just to fight. Its who I am.

Hitler should be held responsible for the death of the Jews because he did, as you said, act as the government. However, the ignorance of the Nazi's themselves for following this immoral and unethical leader gives them a share of the blame as well. That's also what I'm saying about the men and women fighting in Iraq. They have the choice of whether or not they are over there and although they are "forced" by the government, they have a choice.

Its true, theu do have a choice. But that goes right back to wether killing is right or not, with is solely moral based. Personally, I see nothing wrong with killing. Ive had friends die in front of me, one got hit by a car. If you truely live every day like its your last, you will find you have noo issues letting things go. I know at any point I could go, and up to this point I have no regrets. If my best friend goes, I know we were good and ill see him again at some point. This is how everyone should live, who knows, there might even be less killing -n-

We all have a sacred life given to us by a higher power.

Not in my book buddy, not in my book -😉-

Oh and one other thing, Ghost, you scare me.

If I had a nickel, your not the first to say that, nor are you the last. Ive been called everything... strange, creepy, mindless, all knowing, a prophet, even hitler myself. It doesnt matter what you think, because only I can know who I truely am, and even when I have doubts about that, I still know more about me than anyone else -lol-

 

[Nebulous]

 

[ℓєσ gнσѕт]

I spy's a 4chan user, indeed I does.

Fail poster fails -😉-

Really though, why did you need to bring up that picture of all things...its not really revelent to the topic much, and you didnt give your status on the debate :\

 

[Nebulous]

I spy's a 4chan user, indeed I does.

Fail poster fails -😉-

Really though, why did you need to bring up that picture of all things...its not really revelent to the topic much, and you didnt give your status on the debate :\

meh..

 

[Kino]

Alright first off I voted that Hitler was bad.

Where in the fucking world does it say that one race is better than another? NO WHERE! Hitler pulled it out his bloody ass and slammed it on the table and said, "Kill all the jews because they gave me hell when I was a kid!" Just because his country was in a depression and the Jewish people were doing good he thought he could kill them! Ridiculous. I'm very disappointed to see that 3 voted good. It just shows how far your head is up your bloody ass. I totally lost respect for the people that voted good.

No race is better than another one. So time to get your heads out of your asses!!

 

[LeeLawson]

I said yes.

He didn't fail.
He had it all planned out.
I know it wasn't a nice thing to do but he is one of the world greatest leaders and probably still is.
It doesn't matter it's the fight in the man that didn't make him fail.

 

[ℓєσ gнσѕт]

Alright first off I voted that Hitler was bad.

Where in the f*****g world does it say that one race is better than another? NO WHERE! Hitler pulled it out his bloody ass and slammed it on the table and said, "Kill all the jews because they gave me hell when I was a kid!" Just because his country was in a depression and the Jewish people were doing good he thought he could kill them! Ridiculous. I'm very disappointed to see that 3 voted good. It just shows how far your head is up your bloody ass. I totally lost respect for the people that voted good.

No race is better than another one. So time to get your heads out of your asses!!

You, my friend, are rather ignorant. You havnt read why we voted how we did. It had nothing to do with him killing, or races, but his leadership skills. Maybe if youd pull your head out of your ass, youd read better, I assume theres little light to read with in there.

 

[Presty Willow]

Oh my God, you guys.

This debate is scary. Ghost, you have a few good point. But it all boils down to opinion, like you said. This debate is really pointless. Everyone has separate views on Hitler entirely. We all have different and unique morals which lead us to different evaluations about people.

Although I wouldn't call you a prophet or Hitler himself, Ghost, I will call you a madman with a logical working brain. =]

 

[Dark Chaos]

Hitler is a terrible person, how could you say he's a great leader? Great leaders kill everyone?!?

 

[Auric]

Yes he killed many people, but not everyone! And in my eyes he just did that for his country. So he is a great leader in my eyes. -!-

 

[Van1lla ™]

Yes he killed many people, but not everyone! And in my eyes he just did that for his country. So he is a great leader in my eyes. -!-

Well we know it wasnt for his country just his own beliefs.

 

[Presty Willow]

Not this again... XD

He didn't even succeed in killing everyone he intended to kill... you said that yourself, Auric. So, how could he be a good leader? That's is just one of many contributing factors that make him "bad" which is essentially what we are arguing.