Why Promotion Forums Fail

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Hello everyone, today i'm going to go into a semi-long rant about why i'm really starting to hate forum-based promotion sites. I will be using some sites as example, such as ForumPromotion.net and ForumAdvertiser.com. The points in this reading are strictly my thoughts and should not be held against either site. You don't have to agree with my thoughts on any of this, the choice to read and comment on it is yours :great:

Look around this post, look to the left, you'll see my avatar. That's because you're on a forum, an Internet based method of sharing information between people. To be more exact, this forum is set up with the single purpose of assisting other sites on the web to grow and develop. Sounds like a great idea, doesn't it? If it's such a great idea, why don't we all just go and make one? There are of course, reasons why every forum-based promotion site will fail at some point or another.

1) Competition. This is what brings the downfall of a site even as big as Forum Promotion is. It is the sole heart of the downfall, it causes other things to happen and at some point the board will just die. Often the competition between new boards is so tough, yours never takes off. Other times, a "war" between two larger forums causes both to suffer, let's look into the latter.

Forum Promotion vs Forum Advertiser
I wasn't around when it first started I guess, but even today I can see it's an on-living battle even with the admins of both sites trying to stop it. With promotion forums, you have too many staff, too many people who think they have some "power" over others just because they have a colored name. These people are often very very irresponsible, and act like children (which granted, some still are). It's not the admin's fault if his staff fight, there isn't much he can do. Heck FP has 3 admins yet they can't do a darn thing about it. It just happens. I don't know how far the fighting has gone between these two forums, but it's rumored there were even DDoS attacks awhile back (clearly neither side were smart enough to just plain out hack each other). Fact of the matter is, the flame is still there between the two sites, it could restart at anytime.

Let's say for a minute that the "war" does start back up and FP crashes and burns into the ground due to some botnet taking down the hosting server and their account being disabled completely. Then what happens to FA? For awhile there would be spam attacks and such, but in the long run, they will find new, stronger competition. That's the key you see, competition does two things, it keeps balance between the worlds, yet it is also your ultimate downfall. Sucks eh?

So to all you admins out there considering starting a promotion forum, just keep in the back of your mind that one day your site will fall to another, it's just competition.
 
So to sum up this wall of text, the reason why promotion forums fail is because of competition?

If that's the case, then you should say the same for other forums genres too.

But I still agree. I don't see the point in running a promotion forum. You could hardly even make money off of it either. Who would want to buy an ad banner spot on FP when you can simply get it for free?
 
Competition doesn't have the same affect as other genres as it does when it comes to promotion.

A member of a Rock Forum may only be a member of one Rock forum overall. A member of a promotion forum may be a member of 7 others too.

Between promotion forums competition builds at a much faster and more intense pace, mostly because there's more staff to control and to disagree.

Thanks for reading & commenting though 😛
 
Forum promotion sites fail becuase

1. people use free hosting/domains
2. they dont give it time to develop
3. they steal content/ideas
4. they PM advertise = FAIL
 
Nice one Jason, you managed to post the reasons correctly and without writing an essay :lol:
 
Leo Ghost said:
Forum Promotion vs Forum Advertiser
I wasn't around when it first started I guess, but even today I can see it's an on-living battle even with the admins of both sites trying to stop it. With promotion forums, you have too many staff, too many people who think they have some "power" over others just because they have a colored name. These people are often very very irresponsible, and act like children (which granted, some still are). It's not the admin's fault if his staff fight, there isn't much he can do. Heck FP has 3 admins yet they can't do a darn thing about it. It just happens. I don't know how far the fighting has gone between these two forums, but it's rumored there were even DDoS attacks awhile back (clearly neither side were smart enough to just plain out hack each other). Fact of the matter is, the flame is still there between the two sites, it could restart at anytime.
The administration between the two forums aren't battling with each other, it is some of the regular staff members who like to fight amongst each other or go cause problems at the other forum. We try our best (well most of us) to end it before things get out of control. It has been calm for a long while though, with the exception of a few instances.
 
but it's rumored there were even DDoS attacks awhile back (clearly neither side were smart enough to just plain out hack each other).

Source?

The only DDoS attacks I'm aware of is when FP was DDoSed just before Christmas time, alledgedly by the same person(s) who DDoSed and flooded FA's database at a later date.
 
@theezy
even with the admins of both sites trying to stop it.

@Murder he Wrote
You answered your own question then, that's probably where the rumor started from.

Again, this is strictly my take. It's what i've personally seen and heard with my time here on FP and all of the information i've gathered while on staff and such (though no official staff information was leaked, that would be disrespectful).
 
Thanks for the view Leo. Rep + for being completely honest.

Most sites these days are a 99% cance to fail, it's just the internet. 99% of ideas are also "Stolen" (which in my eyes is just a F****** stupid excuse as simply.. If it was your idea.. Why did someone better you? Not to mention that it is almost NEAR impossible to "Create" something these days).

2 reasons why they fail:
1. People are just WAY too impatient. I know people who will close an entire site because people "stopped" posting.. So, just keep at it, people will eventually join (if you have the right topics) and when they do, your forum is alredy full of posts. Offer a domain comp, something.. Just don't give up!
2. People are WAY too young. Yeah, I know I'm 25 and seem like the "Young people don't know anything" but the fact of the matter is, my right hand internet men are 16 and 19.. Being young has major disadvantages. Being very "Headstrong" is one of those disadvantages. Just take a look at 90% of young (under18) people on the net these days. They have one point to make and no one can change their minds (Take those who use IPB and do nothing but bag vB for example) why not join a forum, show that you are quite capable of being smart, apply for staff and sit it out until you work your way up the ranks you are young, you have plenty of time..

There is nothing wrong with helping someone elses site to be successful before yours is. Take me as pure example. Yeah it was only almost three years ago but I had no idea about coding or anything like that and wanted nothing more than to start my own Forum for Australians. It just never got off the ground. I had 92 members on my first forum before I did something wrong and went to revert an SMF backup (lol @ SMF crap software.. I can't restore my backup? What a great program!).

I tried again and again to get another started, but it just never happened. So, I just pretty much forgot about my hosting and focused on posting with the Hosting Company (Vlexo.com) community forums... Look at my profile now...
http://forum.vlexo.com/member.php?u=1023

From there I just made a "Mr Nice Guy" name for myself. I then started to learn why forums fail. There are just too many dif reasons to explain. But the biggest I didn't mention.. Why start a site about something that has already been started unless you can do it better? What do you have to offer? Ohhh you want internet fame? I understand now.

Take Holfy as another example.. I have maybe 2 members that constantly post, quite frankly I couldn't give two hoots either. Fact is, I make money from Holfy with Adsense and also oferring Paid Hosting. That is what Holfy is there for! To make money, not fame.. How do you think I afford a dedicated server? Not by having 1million users thats for sure 😉

Before you make a forum ask yourself this.. If someone does it better, if no one joins, if no one posts, if no one has fun, will you close the forum? If you answered yes... Then why did you bother opening it to begin with.. In the end all 4 are inevitable.

I just hope FP stays online, it's the only Forum Promotion site that actually post info other than Promotions on 😛

If someone offers me Promotion without the need for posts. I'm in only for the promotion 😉

FP just offered me so much more in one spot when I found it. They win
 
Not all sites fail with big competition, look at google and yahoo, both have search engines both are huge, both have a good stable base.

The main way to help your site grow is have custom and unique content which no-one has, i know a site which is currently in development which has exactly this, giving people money for doing everyday things they would do on the net such as google searching, site browsing, youtubing, messaging, anything at all.

You can say all sites fail because of competition, you can't just say promotion forums fail because of competition, you can't say search engines fail because of competition, etc. being the key factor.

It doesn't work like that really. My opinion.

Also not all webmasters are out for money, so they couldn't care if they lose $50 or so, they're doing something they like.
 
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Nathan said:
You can say all sites fail because of competition, you can't just say promotion forums fail because of competition, you can't say search engines fail because of competition, etc. being the key factor.

All sites do fail in a way. Eventually Google WILL be wiped out, maybe not due to competition, but it will happen. The points I made at the end of my post were to all websites in general.

And yes, it is all about having something different that may even keep just ONE more member than another "Same Genre" site. I don't know why I'm here at FP, it must be something they offer. Even if it is something like "Friendly Staff" as that does make so much of a difference.

I don't see the admin here as being on a better playing level than me in the status amongst the internet.. That's not the point. The fact is, they are admin , nice and actually seem to know what they are doing. Whereas, when I arrive here at FP, they are in fact "Somewhat" more special than me.

as I said.. Every site fails, and I should have mentioned.. It might not have anything to do with competition. Fact is, there are too many Forum Promotion sites around now and the new ones have nothing to offer over the older ones, except different themes.

My main point was.. Don't just close a site due to the "Competition" one or two is better than no site at all. Thats why I stated that EVERY site will eventually fail.. It happens, it's evolution of the Internet kind... (Don't know if anyone remembers... Netscape Navigator... The KING of web browsing in the late 90's.. it WAS 😉)
 
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BatM said:
Nathan said:
You can say all sites fail because of competition, you can't just say promotion forums fail because of competition, you can't say search engines fail because of competition, etc. being the key factor.

All sites do fail in a way. Eventually Google WILL be wiped out, maybe not due to competition, but it will happen. The points I made at the end of my post were to all websites in general.

And yes, it is all about having something different that may even keep just ONE more member than another "Same Genre" site. I don't know why I'm here at FP, it must be something they offer. Even if it is something like "Friendly Staff" as that does make so much of a difference.

I don't see the admin here as being on a better playing level than me in the status amongst the internet.. That's not the point. The fact is, they are admin , nice and actually seem to know what they are doing. Whereas, when I arrive here at FP, they are in fact "Somewhat" more special than me.

as I said.. Every site fails, and I should have mentioned.. It might not have anything to do with competition. Fact is, there are too many Forum Promotion sites around now and the new ones have nothing to offer over the older ones, except different themes.

My main point was.. Don't just close a site due to the "Competition" one or two is better than no site at all. Thats why I stated that EVERY site will eventually fail.. It happens, it's evolution of the Internet kind... (Don't know if anyone remembers... Netscape Navigator... The KING of web browsing in the late 90's.. it WAS 😉)

Take your view as Search Engines... Altavista used to be the king.. Then came Yahoo! Now there is Google.. This point... No one really uses Altavista anymore (like a forum with only one or two active users).. But it is still alive, and I still stop there JUST to use BabbleFish (as i know it is on their index page 😛).. Some would have easily pulled their sites by now but Altavista stay 😀
 
If you know how to promote and such, getting a new forum off the blocks isn't hard.
 
Every promotion forum has a future. Its just that some administrators don't get much activity for their promotion forum. I've noticed the main reason is that they hardly advertise. Every promotion forum should be advertised to every site. It doesn't matter if it's a promotion forum or not. Most people who make forums would love to advertise but some people don't know how. One person advertising could mean a few people joining.
 
No one knows if Google will be wiped out, no one knew that Microsoft would actually develop a decent operating system after Vista's ray of superbness </sarcasm>. Promotion forums all have a future, all ahve a chance. Doesn't matter how many there are around the web, people needs sites to advertise one, get quality links, traffic, promotion boards can provide this to any Administrator (apart from Warez of course) so all have a chance of suceeding.

I'll actually take that slightly forward and say they should succeed.
 
Granted in the past FP and FA have had some major fallouts, and some stuff still bicker with each other. But for the most part we are all trying to move away from the fighting, as i said somewhere its all getting tiresome and childish.
 
LOL.. When the internet gets overturned in each country (IE The Great Firewall Of China), your site will no longer be seen. This is your site failing in that country... This is your site FAILING full stop. It can't be viewed, it DIED... It can't be stopped.

2 things are guaranteed in real life.. Life and Death. This is no different to forum software.

Don't mind that I gave you a good example of sites/software that had MILLIONS OF users a day that vanished off the face.. Not just a "Forum" that one or two members that WILL eventually leave!

Once more for those at the back...

Your site is going to die. Every site will. Just like AM radio, the internet wont be here forever 😉

(RIP AM Radio 1922-2010)
 
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Van1lla ™ said:
Granted in the past FP and FA have had some major fallouts, and some stuff still bicker with each other. But for the most part we are all trying to move away from the fighting, as i said somewhere its all getting tiresome and childish.
Well, any FA staff members who were involved in / instigated any of the past FA/FP drama are no longer staff.

Our current team:
Montrose: Never any conflicts with FP or its staff.
Princess: Never any conflicts with FP or its staff.
Sarah: Never any conflicts with FP or its staff.
Nighty: Never any conflicts with FP or its staff.
wednesday: Never any conflicts with FP or its staff.
Oliver: Never any conflicts with FP or its staff.
JayP: Never any conflicts with FP or its staff.
Madyy32: Never any conflicts with FP or its staff.
Semper Fi: Never any conflicts with FP or its staff.
silverpaw: Never any conflicts with FP or its staff.

Its pretty much dead. Some people on this side need to let things go and/or leave FA alone and all will be calm.
:cheer: 🙂
 
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