Wikileaks set to release top US secrets

[Deleted member 1609]

I fully support piracy. It's not immoral to share with others. The people who pirate software or music simply wouldn't have those things anyway. In other words, they wouldn't buy the products if they couldn't pirate them. Therefore, the large corporations that control the government aren't out much money at all. They're just using piracy as an excuse to make even more money.

 

[katy perry is hot]

I fully support piracy. It's not immoral to share with others. The people who pirate software or music simply wouldn't have those things anyway. In other words, they wouldn't buy the products if they couldn't pirate them. Therefore, the large corporations that control the government aren't out much money at all. They're just using piracy as an excuse to make even more money.

actually, i control the government.

 

[Taz]

I have read the Wiki Leaks. A lot of bad stuff has happened. He also uploaded a illegal youtube video of a AC-130 blowing up a bunch of innocent people.

 

[katy perry is hot]

I have read the Wiki Leaks. A lot of bad stuff has happened. He also uploaded a illegal youtube video of a AC-130 blowing up a bunch of innocent people.

Yeah that was from a while ago.

 

[Taz]

Yeah, your right.

 

[Kino]

Since wikileaks isn't located in the United States, whatever they post, they aren't held responsible under our laws.. that said, whoever gave them this information would be. Freedom of Press, and the release of secret and confidential files is different. Files marked secret and confidential are that way for a reason. I'm sure we've all seen the movies with the 'top secret' government files. These aren't any top US secrets at that level. The highest the files that are being released is at the 'secret' level. Regardless of whether this is very serious information being released, or not very important information being released, it's still illegal, and whoever gave Wikileaks access to the information should take the fall for this, because the law was broken here. It's not illegal for wikileaks to publish it, but it's illegal for whoever gave it to them, to well, give it to them, because this person who gave it out must have had at least secret level clearance.

Ah I didn't know it was given to them by someone, or that they were located outside of the U.S. I think the only thing the documents reveal is the real death toll in Iraq.

 

[katy perry is hot]

Since wikileaks isn't located in the United States, whatever they post, they aren't held responsible under our laws.. that said, whoever gave them this information would be. Freedom of Press, and the release of secret and confidential files is different. Files marked secret and confidential are that way for a reason. I'm sure we've all seen the movies with the 'top secret' government files. These aren't any top US secrets at that level. The highest the files that are being released is at the 'secret' level. Regardless of whether this is very serious information being released, or not very important information being released, it's still illegal, and whoever gave Wikileaks access to the information should take the fall for this, because the law was broken here. It's not illegal for wikileaks to publish it, but it's illegal for whoever gave it to them, to well, give it to them, because this person who gave it out must have had at least secret level clearance.

Ah I didn't know it was given to them by someone, or that they were located outside of the U.S. I think the only thing the documents reveal is the real death toll in Iraq.

These documents go much further.

 

[The Visitors]

I fully support piracy. It's not immoral to share with others. The people who pirate software or music simply wouldn't have those things anyway. In other words, they wouldn't buy the products if they couldn't pirate them. Therefore, the large corporations that control the government aren't out much money at all. They're just using piracy as an excuse to make even more money.

I really hope you're being sarcastic. :shake:

If you're not willing to pay for it, then you should not be willing to use it.

I will agree that some individuals who pirate, do end up buying the product. But the majority are just trying to get a free lunch and that takes away from those who have worked out to develop the products & is a slap in the face to those of us who spend our hard earned money on things.<br /><br />-- 30 Nov 2010, 00:11 --<br /><br />

Since wikileaks isn't located in the United States, whatever they post, they aren't held responsible under our laws.. that said, whoever gave them this information would be. Freedom of Press, and the release of secret and confidential files is different. Files marked secret and confidential are that way for a reason. I'm sure we've all seen the movies with the 'top secret' government files. These aren't any top US secrets at that level. The highest the files that are being released is at the 'secret' level. Regardless of whether this is very serious information being released, or not very important information being released, it's still illegal, and whoever gave Wikileaks access to the information should take the fall for this, because the law was broken here. It's not illegal for wikileaks to publish it, but it's illegal for whoever gave it to them, to well, give it to them, because this person who gave it out must have had at least secret level clearance.

Ah I didn't know it was given to them by someone, or that they were located outside of the U.S. I think the only thing the documents reveal is the real death toll in Iraq.

These documents go much further.

It's one of the reasons I like it. :yes:

 

[Deleted member 1609]

I will agree that some individuals who pirate, do end up buying the product. But the majority are just trying to get a free lunch and that takes away from those who have worked out to develop the products & is a slap in the face to those of us who spend our hard earned money on things.

By that logic, you shouldn't borrow CDs from your friends, either. It's also illegal to install a game or piece of software that you legitimately purchase on more than one computer.

People who pirate are people who can't afford to buy the products. If I could afford to buy a product, then I certainly wouldn't pirate it. It's ideal to have a legal copy. For example, Photoshop costs $800. Do you really think that those who pirate Photoshop would go out and purchase Photoshop if they couldn't pirate it? Hell no. They'd just go without it. Adobe makes most of its profit from Photoshop thanks to businesses who buy it.

Corporations want you to think that sharing software and music with other people online is morally wrong. It's not. The corporations are hardly out any money at all, and even if they are, it doesn't matter. If they didn't jack up prices so much, then people would actually buy legal copies.

Oh, and by the way, we're off-topic.

 

[Antarctic]

I fully support Wikileaks, they are doing just as they set out to "to open governments" and they are certainly doing that.

I think it's rather amusing that they are trying to make Wikileaks a terrorist organization and it's founder a terrorist, much like Osama Bin Laden. Such a world we live in that you can't even read or release documents without being treated like a terrorist.

Governments need to deal with the fact that Wikileaks is always going to be around, no matter what they do or say, abolish the governments i say, free world for all.

 

[Gimgak]

Except wikileaks will have trouble staying online once COICA passes and America decides to try and take it down.

 

[Antarctic]

The files are out there now, and always will be, just because they can take them down doesn't mean they will stop releasing the info. It's not that easy. Sure, they can make it harder to view, but at the end of the day, it will always be there.

 

[Nebulous]

Im scared to go on that site, I wonder if the govt will come crash through my door if I did.
:lol:

 

[chief]

America had to knew the risk from the time US involved in the Iraq War before. Just look some History to see what happened after Vietnam.

 

[Rick Ace]

Wait. Before everyone gives up their right to Freedom of Speech & Press, can someone specify who's life is in danger?

 

[Gimgak]

Wait. Before everyone gives up their right to Freedom of Speech & Press, can someone specify who's life is in danger?

Political lives money.

 

[MissTake]

Moved to the debate section as that's what it's turning into 😉

 

[katy perry is hot]

Wait. Before everyone gives up their right to Freedom of Speech & Press, can someone specify who's life is in danger?

That remains to be seen.

 

[ItsZippy]

Wait. Before everyone gives up their right to Freedom of Speech & Press, can someone specify who's life is in danger?

So far, it mostly seems that it's been safe. However, there a load more to come, we can't be sure. Also, some of what was released will damage international relations. Turkey have already stated that they require "more than an apology". If another country, such as North Korea or China, took this approach, it could damage efforts for world peace. It also sets a dangerous precedent. If we decide that it is acceptable for government secrets to be leaked, it could result in more and more liberties being taken.

 

[Gimgak]

Wait. Before everyone gives up their right to Freedom of Speech & Press, can someone specify who's life is in danger?

So far, it mostly seems that it's been safe. However, there a load more to come, we can't be sure. Also, some of what was released will damage international relations. Turkey have already stated that they require "more than an apology". If another country, such as North Korea or China, took this approach, it could damage efforts for world peace. It also sets a dangerous precedent. If we decide that it is acceptable for government secrets to be leaked, it could result in more and more liberties being taken.

So are you saying we should just accept our corrupt govt for the shithole it is and forget about it? 😛