Wikileaks set to release top US secrets

[katy perry is hot]

Wait. Before everyone gives up their right to Freedom of Speech & Press, can someone specify who's life is in danger?

So far, it mostly seems that it's been safe. However, there a load more to come, we can't be sure. Also, some of what was released will damage international relations. Turkey have already stated that they require "more than an apology". If another country, such as North Korea or China, took this approach, it could damage efforts for world peace. It also sets a dangerous precedent. If we decide that it is acceptable for government secrets to be leaked, it could result in more and more liberties being taken.

So are you saying we should just accept our corrupt govt for the shithole it is and forget about it? 😛

Like I said before, the soldiers who released this info deserve to face justice, but wikileaks itself, does not.

 

[ItsZippy]

Wait. Before everyone gives up their right to Freedom of Speech & Press, can someone specify who's life is in danger?

So far, it mostly seems that it's been safe. However, there a load more to come, we can't be sure. Also, some of what was released will damage international relations. Turkey have already stated that they require "more than an apology". If another country, such as North Korea or China, took this approach, it could damage efforts for world peace. It also sets a dangerous precedent. If we decide that it is acceptable for government secrets to be leaked, it could result in more and more liberties being taken.

So are you saying we should just accept our corrupt govt for the shithole it is and forget about it? 😛

No, we should fight corruption wherever it is. However, I've yet to come across any serious corruption in the files. Rudeness and embarrassing information, yes; no corruption. We need to remember that, on the whole, governments keep secrets for a reason. A fully transparent government would never work; some things must be private to retain public safety. If there is corruption, it must be fought; releasing every secret is not the way to go about it.

Irviding, why does Wikileaks not deserve to face justice. Regardless of whether you agree with what they did, they've released secret information - that is against the law. If you want more transparency in government, illegally releasing information is not the way to go about it.

 

[katy perry is hot]

But you're wrong. They didn't release information. The soldiers who took the information illegally did. They deserve to face justice. Not a website that posted it. If you make that argument, then also NY times, el país, and the other newspapers who were given access by wikileaks to publish the information also deserve to face justice. Remember, these soldiers were not employed by wikileaks. They were the ones who did something illegal and deserve justice.

And apparently there are things in the upcoming documents referring to UFOs which will be very interesting.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... sange.html

 

[Gimgak]

It's against the law to say anything against big brother, keep his secrets to yourself and turn in anyone who goes against big brother.

the american way

 

[Antarctic]

Wikileaks is currently on 208 mirror sites. Good luck taking that down US governments.

 

[ItsZippy]

But you're wrong. They didn't release information. The soldiers who took the information illegally did. They deserve to face justice. Not a website that posted it. If you make that argument, then also NY times, el país, and the other newspapers who were given access by wikileaks to publish the information also deserve to face justice. Remember, these soldiers were not employed by wikileaks. They were the ones who did something illegal and deserve justice.

And apparently there are things in the upcoming documents referring to UFOs which will be very interesting.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... sange.html

Wikileaks were the ones who released the information. Other newspapers reprinted what was already released by Wikileaks.

 

[katy perry is hot]

But you're wrong. They didn't release information. The soldiers who took the information illegally did. They deserve to face justice. Not a website that posted it. If you make that argument, then also NY times, el país, and the other newspapers who were given access by wikileaks to publish the information also deserve to face justice. Remember, these soldiers were not employed by wikileaks. They were the ones who did something illegal and deserve justice.

And apparently there are things in the upcoming documents referring to UFOs which will be very interesting.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... sange.html

Wikileaks were the ones who released the information. Other newspapers reprinted what was already released by Wikileaks.

No, as I said, you are not understanding what happened here. Wikileaks did not release the information. They published the information. It was already given to them by these soldiers who took it illegally. And since the newspapers reprinted it, let's go ahead and arrest them too? You are going down way too slippery of a slope here. Think of it this way, I stole information from the government, I gave it to wikileaks, and they published it. That's all that happened here. Wikileaks did not in any way release the information. Let's be honest here, they did what any other news agency would do. If CNN got these thrown in their mailbox, it would be all over the TV within 10 minutes anyway. This is just how these types of companies work.

 

[Panik]

Due to wikileaks being hosted in Iceland (I believe it is iceland) they are able to publish what they wish without being censored via the law. Due to this they have gained a high ground for releasing information. Even as the USA attempt to silence the website.

If the USA claim that wikileaks leave many lives at risk then they should not have commented on such things as those as well as used more security with their information so this would of never happened.

 

[Deleted member 1609]

Due to wikileaks being hosted in Iceland (I believe it is iceland) they are able to publish what they wish without being censored via the law. Due to this they have gained a high ground for releasing information. Even as the USA attempt to silence the website.

It's Sweden, but you have the right idea.

 

[katy perry is hot]

Due to wikileaks being hosted in Iceland (I believe it is iceland) they are able to publish what they wish without being censored via the law. Due to this they have gained a high ground for releasing information. Even as the USA attempt to silence the website.

It's Sweden, but you have the right idea.

They are moving it to iceland or switzerland I think though because sweden issued the warrants and stuff.

 

[Panik]

Due to wikileaks being hosted in Iceland (I believe it is iceland) they are able to publish what they wish without being censored via the law. Due to this they have gained a high ground for releasing information. Even as the USA attempt to silence the website.

It's Sweden, but you have the right idea.

Ah thank you for correcting me in the location.

They are moving it to iceland or switzerland I think though because sweden issued the warrants and stuff.

That could possibly be the issue of why I stated Iceland; I believe I heard the tern Iceland in some area related to wikileaks.

 

[ItsZippy]

Irviding, I see your point now - I think I agree with you there.

If the USA claim that wikileaks leave many lives at risk then they should not have commented on such things as those as well as used more security with their information so this would of never happened.

Are you saying that, if this information is so dangerous, American officials should not have sent the cables? If so, I disagree. Just because information is dangerous doesn't mean it should be ignored. If the US government has important information on a potentially hostile country, should they be forced not to make note of it, in case it is leaked? I know that, this time, nothing dangerous was leaked; we can't assume future leaks will be the same.

 

[Panik]

Irviding, I see your point now - I think I agree with you there.

If the USA claim that wikileaks leave many lives at risk then they should not have commented on such things as those as well as used more security with their information so this would of never happened.

Are you saying that, if this information is so dangerous, American officials should not have sent the cables? If so, I disagree. Just because information is dangerous doesn't mean it should be ignored. If the US government has important information on a potentially hostile country, should they be forced not to make note of it, in case it is leaked? I know that, this time, nothing dangerous was leaked; we can't assume future leaks will be the same.

I was merely stating that if it is something as important as this to use a much more secure encryption method before sending it as well as a more secure line for transfer so the information is unable to be taken; let alone cracked and leaked.

 

[katy perry is hot]

Irviding, I see your point now - I think I agree with you there.

If the USA claim that wikileaks leave many lives at risk then they should not have commented on such things as those as well as used more security with their information so this would of never happened.

Are you saying that, if this information is so dangerous, American officials should not have sent the cables? If so, I disagree. Just because information is dangerous doesn't mean it should be ignored. If the US government has important information on a potentially hostile country, should they be forced not to make note of it, in case it is leaked? I know that, this time, nothing dangerous was leaked; we can't assume future leaks will be the same.

I was merely stating that if it is something as important as this to use a much more secure encryption method before sending it as well as a more secure line for transfer so the information is unable to be taken; let alone cracked and leaked.

It wasn't cracked though. The news media is distorting this so much and people are under the impression that wikileaks like hacked into the government and stole it... The soldiers who took it had top secret clearance. In the US our classification system is as follows:
Confidential -- Secret -- Top Secret

If you have a top secret clearance, you can access anything below that, ie, a confidential document, for example. Out of the documents released, most were not even classified. A good chunk were confidential, and a couple thousand (out of the 200 and something thousand taken) were secret clearance.
The soldiers or soldier who gave it to wikileaks took the information from a computer using the clearance the government trusted him with. He burnt the info onto CDs that said "Lady Gaga" on them, in order to not bring about suspicion. Whether or not any lives are at risk due to this has yet to be seen. It could be possible since there are tons and tons of more documents to be released, but that still doesn't change the fact that these soldiers did break the law.

 

[Panik]

It wasn't cracked though. The news media is distorting this so much and people are under the impression that wikileaks like hacked into the government and stole it... The soldiers who took it had top secret clearance. In the US our classification system is as follows:
Confidential -- Secret -- Top Secret

If you have a top secret clearance, you can access anything below that, ie, a confidential document, for example. Out of the documents released, most were not even classified. A good chunk were confidential, and a couple thousand (out of the 200 and something thousand taken) were secret clearance.
The soldiers or soldier who gave it to wikileaks took the information from a computer using the clearance the government trusted him with. He burnt the info onto CDs that said "Lady Gaga" on them, in order to not bring about suspicion. Whether or not any lives are at risk due to this has yet to be seen. It could be possible since there are tons and tons of more documents to be released.

Ah I knew that the information was not cracked but I was lead to believe that they were passed onto a person with no encryption or such.

Thank you for clarifying this up for me Irviding.

 

[ItsZippy]

I agree that it does show a flaw in American security. The fact that these documents have been released shows a failing in the security system that is supposed to prevent this. As they were taken by a solider with the correct clearance, perhaps some sort of improvement is needed in how secrets are handled and how those with access are monitored.

 

[katy perry is hot]

I agree that it does show a flaw in American security. The fact that these documents have been released shows a failing in the security system that is supposed to prevent this. As they were taken by a solider with the correct clearance, perhaps some sort of improvement is needed in how secrets are handled and how those with access are monitored.

Obviously... the lady gaga thing is true. The guy had CDs with her name on them and just burnt all the files to them. It's insane that there wasn't like a system notification that froze his access temporarily or something... the guy was accessing like hundreds and thousands of files.. you'd think if he goes into like over 20 or 30 it would lock him out??? Not saying just because of system flaws what he did is right, it was still a total violation of our laws, but still, it's just baffling.

 

[Gimgak]

edit: Feck it, this is getting serious. Some American politicians are trying to get this guy jailed / who knows. F*cking corrupt pigs, what a horrible country to live in.

 

[katy perry is hot]

edit: Feck it, this is getting serious. Some American politicians are trying to get this guy jailed / who knows. F*cking corrupt pigs, what a horrible country to live in.

The soldier or wikileaks? If you mean the soldiers then yes, they should be jailed for violating the law.

 

[Gimgak]

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