Demotion Forums - Why the Classic Services No Longer Tick
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el canadiano
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But he is right to a certain point. I've had much better and insightful reviews outside this forum. You do have to progress to be better.
Either way, is it really a sin to voice your opinions against this site when there really are problems?
But he is right to a certain point. I've had much better and insightful reviews outside this forum. You do have to progress to be better.
Either way, is it really a sin to voice your opinions against this site when there really are problems?
Re: Demotion Forums - Why the Classic Services No Longer Tic
People don't need to use a promotion forum if their forum has that much posts @Cosmic. By that time their forum will be getting search engines pointing to them and enough activity not to have to advertise. Their hardwork is done.
People don't need to use a promotion forum if their forum has that much posts @Cosmic. By that time their forum will be getting search engines pointing to them and enough activity not to have to advertise. Their hardwork is done.
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There are always problems, maybe tiny ones, but they can't all be solved. In my opinion things are going great here at FP; even Fowler himself said the monthly hits were going up. The only complaints I've had were of the package service here.
I'm not saying that new ways would be wrong. They would beneficial of course, but what Cosmic is implying (look at the bottom of the first post) is that people not getting paid in cash don't make good reviews and do good post packages. Well I disagree because people get paid here in FP cash.el canadiano said:
There are always problems, maybe tiny ones, but they can't all be solved. In my opinion things are going great here at FP; even Fowler himself said the monthly hits were going up. The only complaints I've had were of the package service here.
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Cosmic, I think you're also forgetting the fact that Hcfwesker has used post exchanges extensively (he's said this several times).
Cosmic, I think you're also forgetting the fact that Hcfwesker has used post exchanges extensively (he's said this several times).
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I can assure you that quite often, paid ads don't work either. Including adwords. I speak from experience on this.
I think there's no magic bullet or one size fits all solution for success. It may be more art than science.
I can assure you that quite often, paid ads don't work either. Including adwords. I speak from experience on this.
I think there's no magic bullet or one size fits all solution for success. It may be more art than science.
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I wrote a long post about this a while back as well. I used to run a promotion forum and I offered all the standard services plus a few original ones.. I kept assuring myself and the members that the services were effective and necessary. Once I was free from owning an advert forum I came to the realization that they aren't really that effective at all. More of a waste of time that provides piece of mind to advertisers (they feel like they've accomplished something) and false hope (they feel like they are going to get some results from their efforts).
The most effective thing I find is other members clicking your signature. You dont even need to go to a promotion forum to "advertise" in that way.
The 2nd most effective is a basic thread talking about your forum such as the ones located in the "Basic Promotion" part of this forum or the "Advertisement Station" part of my forum. When members are bored or just interested in exploring other forums, they will read a few of these threads. I do it myself sometimes as well.
Everything else is just filler. 😛
I wrote a long post about this a while back as well. I used to run a promotion forum and I offered all the standard services plus a few original ones.. I kept assuring myself and the members that the services were effective and necessary. Once I was free from owning an advert forum I came to the realization that they aren't really that effective at all. More of a waste of time that provides piece of mind to advertisers (they feel like they've accomplished something) and false hope (they feel like they are going to get some results from their efforts).
The most effective thing I find is other members clicking your signature. You dont even need to go to a promotion forum to "advertise" in that way.
The 2nd most effective is a basic thread talking about your forum such as the ones located in the "Basic Promotion" part of this forum or the "Advertisement Station" part of my forum. When members are bored or just interested in exploring other forums, they will read a few of these threads. I do it myself sometimes as well.
Everything else is just filler. 😛
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Re: Demotion Forums - Why the Classic Services No Longer Tic
I completely agree. What works for one person won't necessarily work for another person. You have to find out what works for your forum.Acorn said:
CyberFreak
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Also bigger forums don't need to promote as much. I used to promote FP on every advertising forum. Now i rarely do that. We get traffic from not advertising any more so we don't work as hard promoting any more. Most big forums will get to a point and no longer promote as much so that is why you see alot more smaller forum promoted and not many big forums. Small forums need traffic more compared to big forum owners so big forum owners are not as likely to use promotion forums.
You are missing a very big flaw in your thought here. Think about how many small forums there are in relation to big forums. There is like 1000 small forums for every forum that has over 500,000 plus posts. Therefore with 6000 members you would only expect 6 members with big forums. I personally feel though that for every big forum there is alot more then 1000 smaller forums.Cosmic said:
Also bigger forums don't need to promote as much. I used to promote FP on every advertising forum. Now i rarely do that. We get traffic from not advertising any more so we don't work as hard promoting any more. Most big forums will get to a point and no longer promote as much so that is why you see alot more smaller forum promoted and not many big forums. Small forums need traffic more compared to big forum owners so big forum owners are not as likely to use promotion forums.
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I agree with you. Signatures very, very useful when the signature is exposed to the genre which has real interest in your website, particularly if it stands out but is still allowed within the rules. The only problem is that many big non-promotion forums have strict anti link policies in signatures. Advertising sections in related forums can be useful too, if you can get away with it.theezy said:
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Cosmic, I think you're trying too hard to associate Forum Promotion with a politicoeconomic system. Forum Promotion is not a political system. There are no rights. There are no elected leaders. There is no democratic judicial system or system of checks and balances. It is true that, under its current leadership and moderators, the values and policies of whom are subject to change at any time, Forum Promotion allows its users to post most any sort of feedback, regardless of whether it is positive or negative in nature, providing it is not expressed in an insulting or maligning manner. Please don't confuse the fact that we are, in all honestly, really, truly nice with some inalienable right you have to post anything you like, providing it is within our guidelines, with some obligation that you have to extend the domains of popular power and break down the centers of concentrated power or improve the poverty-stricken, terrible lives of our members.
This is not the American Revolution, and I find it a bit odd that you're treating it as such.
Obviously you're not a big fan of the services that promotion forums offer. Congratulations. Neither am I. I don't see the value in post exchanges and packages and reviews, but I also understand that my value set is different from, say, Shotgun's value set, Snobo's value set, CarMadMike's value set, Kino's value set, your value set, and there are certainly members of this community who do see value in post exchanges and packages and reviews, just as I don't like general discussion forums, but I can name at least twenty people off the top of my head who do!
Why am I still here? I have grown to really enjoy this community. Why are you still here? Well, I'm not really sure. You don't like the concept of this forum, judging by the way in which you have conducted yourself in this thread and in past threads, I can inference that you're not madly in love with this community, and you really, truly don't have an obligation to change things here, because there are plenty of people who like the way things are and value the way things are. I'm not asking you to leave, but your logic in continuing to contribute to this community even when you have expressed on numerous occasions your dislike for this forum really does puzzle me. I am interested in hearing what seems to draw you in.
No. You don't. We're nice and we let members create any thread they like within the rules of our community - most of the time.Cosmic said:
Cosmic, I think you're trying too hard to associate Forum Promotion with a politicoeconomic system. Forum Promotion is not a political system. There are no rights. There are no elected leaders. There is no democratic judicial system or system of checks and balances. It is true that, under its current leadership and moderators, the values and policies of whom are subject to change at any time, Forum Promotion allows its users to post most any sort of feedback, regardless of whether it is positive or negative in nature, providing it is not expressed in an insulting or maligning manner. Please don't confuse the fact that we are, in all honestly, really, truly nice with some inalienable right you have to post anything you like, providing it is within our guidelines, with some obligation that you have to extend the domains of popular power and break down the centers of concentrated power or improve the poverty-stricken, terrible lives of our members.
This is not the American Revolution, and I find it a bit odd that you're treating it as such.
Obviously you're not a big fan of the services that promotion forums offer. Congratulations. Neither am I. I don't see the value in post exchanges and packages and reviews, but I also understand that my value set is different from, say, Shotgun's value set, Snobo's value set, CarMadMike's value set, Kino's value set, your value set, and there are certainly members of this community who do see value in post exchanges and packages and reviews, just as I don't like general discussion forums, but I can name at least twenty people off the top of my head who do!
Why am I still here? I have grown to really enjoy this community. Why are you still here? Well, I'm not really sure. You don't like the concept of this forum, judging by the way in which you have conducted yourself in this thread and in past threads, I can inference that you're not madly in love with this community, and you really, truly don't have an obligation to change things here, because there are plenty of people who like the way things are and value the way things are. I'm not asking you to leave, but your logic in continuing to contribute to this community even when you have expressed on numerous occasions your dislike for this forum really does puzzle me. I am interested in hearing what seems to draw you in.
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He is not a moderator, thus he has no more right to dictate what threads I create than he has to dictate what forums people create, If he were an administrator here, it would be different. Regardless of this forum "political system", he is not the despot. If you look at the context, my statement was true for 95% of members here.
He is not a moderator, thus he has no more right to dictate what threads I create than he has to dictate what forums people create, If he were an administrator here, it would be different. Regardless of this forum "political system", he is not the despot. If you look at the context, my statement was true for 95% of members here.
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Well, the answer is simply for the discussion areas. I don't really care anything about the promotion service, so I stick around the managing your forum section and debate things like this with people like you. It makes for interesting discussion. Besides this, I enjoy reading some of the more interesting threads in this section. A majority of my posts here, all 1,000 of them, are in sections where I enjoy discussing. You'll note that I haven't bumped any of my promotion threads in a while.
Well, the answer is simply for the discussion areas. I don't really care anything about the promotion service, so I stick around the managing your forum section and debate things like this with people like you. It makes for interesting discussion. Besides this, I enjoy reading some of the more interesting threads in this section. A majority of my posts here, all 1,000 of them, are in sections where I enjoy discussing. You'll note that I haven't bumped any of my promotion threads in a while.
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Yes. I disagree with some things that they say, but where there is no (constructive) disagreement, there is very little interest. Forums are nothing without debate, after all. :lol: But, a majority of the time, I think we find common ground.
Yes. I disagree with some things that they say, but where there is no (constructive) disagreement, there is very little interest. Forums are nothing without debate, after all. :lol: But, a majority of the time, I think we find common ground.
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Cosmic, you definitely had proposed reasonable statements regarding the general 'negatives' of services on many promotion forums, and I totally agree with you 65%. Nevertheless, I somewhat agree about the reviewers having a tad bit of experience in order for them to give opinions on someone's forum. However, I, myself, own a forum with over 100,000 posts, but that criteria doesn't make me an idealistic webmaster; it doesn't mean that just because I have a forum with very fews posts or a lot of posts, that I would make a great reviewer or not. From my perspective, an idealistic reviewer would mention constructed criticism about the forum/website instead of just saying 'oh cool, i like your banner.' As el canadiano had stated earlier in this topic, it's moreover quality over quantity.
As for the services, I think that it depends on how large the advertising forum is, and how much unique traffic it receives everyday. Forum Promotion is a large forum with positive street credit, so that, in my opinion, makes its services one of a kind.
Cosmic, you definitely had proposed reasonable statements regarding the general 'negatives' of services on many promotion forums, and I totally agree with you 65%. Nevertheless, I somewhat agree about the reviewers having a tad bit of experience in order for them to give opinions on someone's forum. However, I, myself, own a forum with over 100,000 posts, but that criteria doesn't make me an idealistic webmaster; it doesn't mean that just because I have a forum with very fews posts or a lot of posts, that I would make a great reviewer or not. From my perspective, an idealistic reviewer would mention constructed criticism about the forum/website instead of just saying 'oh cool, i like your banner.' As el canadiano had stated earlier in this topic, it's moreover quality over quantity.
As for the services, I think that it depends on how large the advertising forum is, and how much unique traffic it receives everyday. Forum Promotion is a large forum with positive street credit, so that, in my opinion, makes its services one of a kind.
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