Does God Exist-Yes/No Discussion

I believe in God, however my beliefs stray heavily from those of the standard Christian. I myself chose not to associate with any one religion as every religion has different beliefs and, in most cases, different Gods. As such, all the arguments and such that break out between them aren't something I wish to get involved with.

I'm in no way a Bible thumper. You won't see me throwing passages out left and right to justify and shoot things down. I'm a strict believer in equal rights, as such, I reject the idea of condemning homosexuality, people of different religions, people who question authority, and people who chose to act and think of their own will when such will follows a trail off the trail of any Bible provided it's not a harmful trail.

I believe in God not because I don't believe in the teachings of Science, but for a multitude of reasons common and uncommon to most religious people.

1 - It makes me feel at ease. I have an extremely rough life and not many people in it to help and/or comfort me when things get really bad. Having a God I can go to puts me at ease and gives me strength to keep going.

2 - I'm a science student and I see the one thing science has yet to set in stone. That is the afterlife. Science hasn't been able to confirm anything on where we go when we die. Lots of scientists insist we go nowhere when we die. We definitely go somewhere. I believe in the spirit and I believe it leaves the body when we die. And whether it roams the Earth, goes to Heaven or hell, or floats aimlessly in some dark endless void, it's all still something and somewhere. I believe it's Heaven we go.

3 - Laws residing over here and there. Just like we have police and then the government and the presidents and prime ministers to the kings and queens here, I believe there is a higher law that governs over the after life as well. That law is God.

4 - As a future scientist, I'm huge on biology which revolves around evolution as a center point. While I do believe in God, I'm not close minded enough to reject evolution and feel it ties in along the way. Due to such, I feel like God got the "ball rolling" as we say. The big bang and the evolution is, in my mind, things set in motion by God. It allows me to hold my faith in God strongly and yet keep in tact my passion for the sciences.

5 - Conflicts, contradictions and messes are popular within religions. I believe in no such contradictions present in God. I believe in the common belief that God is both loving and all powerful and knowing. As such, I believe he knows what will happen before it does happen. From this, I refuse to believe he hates certain groups of people since, due to the fact he created people and such, I feel it is impossible to hold the loving title and yet make people with the traits you hate just so you can send them to Hell. This is the base argument behind why I believe in equal rights alongside God.

I feel we can't be close minded. We want proof for some things and we take other things we can't prove seriously and yet we can never find a way to meet somewhere in the center. Faith itself is to believe in what we can't see with the naked eye, and let's be honest, have we physically watched fish evolve in process to humans in one way or another? If humans have fish related cells and stuff does this mean we can also evolve backwards? We say we have proof of evolution and yet we've never witnessed it first hand through species. Does this, to an extent, mean that believing in evolution requires the same level of faith as believing in God? We've yet to actually see either with our eyes and can only go off of scientific, archeological and spiritual evidence of varying accuracies.
 
This a very touchy subject indeed. I do believe that there's a higher being out there but I honestly do not know if it is God. It could be, then again it could not be...
 
I don't believe in god, never really have. It's just another mythical creature created by humans.
 
I think no because it doesn't really make any sense for anything like that to exisit.
 
No. Apart from the fact that there is no evidence for it, claiming a God exists solves nothing. You might ask

Why does the universe exist? Well why does God exist?
Who started the universe? Who started God?
What is the origin of everything? See above.

Even if you were to believe in some mysterious 'God', how would you justify the typical characteristics that people claim he has? i.e. being an entity, being all loving, performing miracles, having relationships with humans, sending his 'son' down etc. It's madness.
 
As much as I'd love to believe in an omnipotent god, it's just not logical. I suppose it acts as a form of comfort to people however I personally can find no comfort in believing a myth.
 
Maybe.

I'm agnostic, I don't know either way, and I don't consider either side's evidence to be very good at the moment.
 
OliverJB said:
No. Apart from the fact that there is no evidence for it, claiming a God exists solves nothing. You might ask

Why does the universe exist? Well why does God exist?
Who started the universe? Who started God?
What is the origin of everything? See above.

Even if you were to believe in some mysterious 'God', how would you justify the typical characteristics that people claim he has? i.e. being an entity, being all loving, performing miracles, having relationships with humans, sending his 'son' down etc. It's madness.

But the same can be said for the Big Bang. It doesn't sound ridiculous that we all popped up because of a large explosion?
 
Giorgios said:
But the same can be said for the Big Bang. It doesn't sound ridiculous that we all popped up because of a large explosion?

Well, with the Big Bang, there's a modicum of evidence in the possibility. It's only ridiculous because it's beyond the realm of what we can comprehend. Of course, such evidence comes from the flawed perception of human beings, but it's more than what the possibility of a God has; ancient text written by said human beings, a creature that has a very large tendency to lie, deceive and falsify. I prefer a theory that operates on provable evidence (of which, in regard to the Big Bang, there is a little) to a theory that operates almost entirely on faith. That's not to say I necessarily put 100% faith into the Big Bang myself, but I find it to be within the realm of possibilities. The same goes for an omnipotent being of sorts, but it's lower on my list and I'd actually prefer that there not be one.

The Big Bang is no more or less "ridiculous" than the idea of an omnipotent being having created everything. What really befuddles me in regards to the argument that there has to have been an omnipotent being to have created everything is...why does it have to be an omnipotent being? If the omnipotent being created our existence, then who created the omnipotent being's existence? The only answer I ever receive is simply "He has always been." or "He created himself." Well, if that's true, then why cannot the multiverse have created itself or have always been? Why does there need to be an omnipotent being to create it?

For all we know, existence or the multiverse itself could be an omnipotent being. Or it may simply be a non-omnipotent being, much like us. (Or it may not be a being at all) We humans as creatures have trillions of cells within our bodies, all of which constitute the minimum definition of a living being, all of which can live and die. Perhaps we ourselves are simply the cells of the multiverse? Perhaps we ourselves are our own multiverses, and the cells within us host to their own multiverses? Of course, this is just speculation with no concrete evidence, and it's not a theory I myself actually put faith into. It's only one of many of my own theories. But if an omnipotent being could have always been or have created himself, then I see absolutely no reason why a multiverse couldn't do the same. A multiverse does not require omnipotence to exist.

Note: While I may not be a Christian myself, I am not trying to disown Christianity in this argument. I don't believe that their beliefs are at all impossible. I simply have little-to-no faith in the idea myself, and believe that any argument regarding existentialism should be looked at objectively.
 
Giorgios said:
OliverJB said:
No. Apart from the fact that there is no evidence for it, claiming a God exists solves nothing. You might ask

Why does the universe exist? Well why does God exist?
Who started the universe? Who started God?
What is the origin of everything? See above.

Even if you were to believe in some mysterious 'God', how would you justify the typical characteristics that people claim he has? i.e. being an entity, being all loving, performing miracles, having relationships with humans, sending his 'son' down etc. It's madness.

But the same can be said for the Big Bang. It doesn't sound ridiculous that we all popped up because of a large explosion?

It is pretty ridiculous. The whole universe, bazillions of tons of matter, and life itself, came from a tiny dot that exploded?

There's no evidence at all (zero) to believe that over billions of years, a rock (or ice, or some other form of non-organic matter) somehow turned into a living thing. Just look at the atomic makeup of a rock. How can non-organic matter become a living, thinking, breathing creature? It's a mystery that has nothing to back it up, at least as far as science goes. So by default, the only thing that explains it (for me, I am not speaking for anyone else here) is God.
 
God to me just seems like an easy way out to those who don't have an answer for something, religion has been the cause of more war and division than it has peace. That being said I do respect peoples beliefs and am quite open to change, this is how I currently feel though.
 
I believe in a God, so therefore in my eyes I believe god does exist in some form. However I don't believe in organized religion, and I feel that you don't have to go to church to worship him/her as god is an all seeing being.
 
It is my personal belief that there is indeed a higher power. Do I believe in God? No. Do I believe that there is a God, or higher power, yes. I pray to whomever is listening. When it comes to the actual bible, I cannot even get started there. I have read it a bunch of times, and SO many things contradict itself. My reason for not believing in God is my own reason. But I will leave you with a question. Why would God, if he does exist, take a two year old child out of this world with out definitive explanation?
 
Beans said:
It is my personal belief that there is indeed a higher power. Do I believe in God? No. Do I believe that there is a God, or higher power, yes. I pray to whomever is listening. When it comes to the actual bible, I cannot even get started there. I have read it a bunch of times, and SO many things contradict itself. My reason for not believing in God is my own reason. But I will leave you with a question. Why would God, if he does exist, take a two year old child out of this world with out definitive explanation?

That two-year-old child gets a free pass to heaven. Considering most people will likely end up in hell, I'd say there is nothing wrong with that. If you're not a Christian, of course it sounds crazy, but if you are, you know that you do not question God. God does everything for a reason, whether it is to reward someone, punish someone, to test someone, etc.
 
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