Does the guy have a say....

[Watch Me Sink]

That just proves why abortion shouldn't be legal. A woman cannot see what is going on in her vagina (don't take that statment out of context!! 😛) during an abortion. If she were to see the baby, according to your last post, she wouldn't want to kill it.
Hence why Planned Parenthood never let's the woman see an ultrasound.

 

[Oaerkae]

That just proves why abortion shouldn't be legal. A woman cannot see what is going on in her vagina (don't take that statment out of context!! 😛) during an abortion. If she were to see the baby, according to your last post, she wouldn't want to kill it.
Hence why Planned Parenthood never let's the woman see an ultrasound.

Um, what?

I'm sorry, no offense, but that was just a little stupid. Aside from the fact that women would go ahead and do home-abortions, which are dangerous... we are talking about instinct, simply seeing the child wouldn't do anything. It's once the child is born, then all a of sudden, millions of years of instinct are put into effect.

You can't change it, don't try to explain it, don't try to give logical excuses, it won't change the way we're made.

 

[Watch Me Sink]

So you're saying that seeing an ultrasound has no effect on a woman to keep her child?

 

[katy perry is hot]

So you're saying that seeing an ultrasound has no effect on a woman to keep her child?

Yes, it does have a total effect on women to keep their child.
Many jackass conservative senators and congressmen keep trying to flaunt a policy that would force women to look at ultrasounds before having an abortion. Basically, what this does is torture the woman mentally and emotionally, causing her to not want to have an abortion. It's basically their own dumbass way of trying to stop abortions.

 

[Flanny]

I think both parents should have a say. My freind said he girlfreind aborted she told him and he wanted to keep the baby and then she aborted and he finished with her.

 

[Oaerkae]

So you're saying that seeing an ultrasound has no effect on a woman to keep her child?

Good point Irviding.

@Kirisute, that isn't what I'm saying. I'm saying, the same maternal instincts that come up when a child is born will not come if a mother looks at her unborn child. Viewing an unborn child will bring maternal compassion of a completely different kind, but not the same.

 

[Nebulous]

Not all women feel exactly the same way. Not every woman in the world develops maternal instincts or gets attached. A lot do, but what makes us human is that we are all different.
Besides if a girl was going to kill a man's potential child that he wants just because she wants to save her self some hard feelings to deal with, then that makes her pretty self centered and heartless person in my opinion. The man should have a say over his child having a chance at a life or not. It should be a mutual agreement.

 

[Oaerkae]

Not all women feel exactly the same way. Not every woman in the world develops maternal instincts or gets attached. A lot do, but what makes us human is that we are all different.
Besides if a girl was going to kill a man's potential child that he wants just because she wants to save her self some hard feelings to deal with, then that makes her pretty self centered and heartless person in my opinion. The man should have a say over his child having a chance at a life or not. It should be a mutual agreement.

Most do. Those are the ones I'm thinking about.

And if the man is gonna try to force the woman to go through 9 months of heightened appetite, backache, staying out of work, and a score of other body and mental pains, that would make him a little self-centered too wouldn't you say?

 

[Watch Me Sink]

And if the man is gonna try to force the woman to go through 9 months of heightened appetite, backache, staying out of work, and a score of other body and mental pains, that would make him a little self-centered too wouldn't you say?

I wouldn't.

 

[katy perry is hot]

Not all women feel exactly the same way. Not every woman in the world develops maternal instincts or gets attached. A lot do, but what makes us human is that we are all different.
Besides if a girl was going to kill a man's potential child that he wants just because she wants to save her self some hard feelings to deal with, then that makes her pretty self centered and heartless person in my opinion. The man should have a say over his child having a chance at a life or not. It should be a mutual agreement.

Let's say a good 98% do develop maternal instincts and become attached. The other 2% are a collection of junkies. So we should make a law because a small amount of people can deal with the pain of it? That's the same thing as going out and trying to make rape legal because a small amount of rape victims can deal with the pain of it.
And it's not just to save herself from some " hard feelings " to deal with. I can't believe I'm explaining this to an almost 30 year old man. There's a difference between the feeling of caring for a fetus in your womb for 9 months and from whatever your definition of hard feelings is.
There should be no mutual agreement. It's the woman's choice, it's her body. She is the one with the maternal instinct, like you said yourself.

 

[Oaerkae]

And if the man is gonna try to force the woman to go through 9 months of heightened appetite, backache, staying out of work, and a score of other body and mental pains, that would make him a little self-centered too wouldn't you say?

I wouldn't.

I know you wouldn't, but (correct me if I am mistaken), I don't think you have ever been pregnant.

You think it's ok for a man to try to force a woman to go through pregnancy? That the woman should just suck it up and deal with it? To hell with it if she can't work and support herself anymore. To hell with it if she dies during childbirth (it still happens btw, almost happened with my mom).

You may not like this, but a man cannot force women to do anything they don't want to do anymore.

 

[Watch Me Sink]

And if the man is gonna try to force the woman to go through 9 months of heightened appetite, backache, staying out of work, and a score of other body and mental pains, that would make him a little self-centered too wouldn't you say?

I wouldn't.

I know you wouldn't, but (correct me if I am mistaken), I don't think you have ever been pregnant.

You think it's ok for a man to try to force a woman to go through pregnancy? That the woman should just suck it up and deal with it? To hell with it if she can't work and support herself anymore. To hell with it if she dies during childbirth (it still happens btw, almost happened with my mom).

You may not like this, but a man cannot force women to do anything they don't want to do anymore.

That last sentence was a little low, wouldn't you say? A man cannot murder, so why should a woman be able to?

 

[Shiny Star]

I'd say no, its the woman's choice.

 

[Oaerkae]

And if the man is gonna try to force the woman to go through 9 months of heightened appetite, backache, staying out of work, and a score of other body and mental pains, that would make him a little self-centered too wouldn't you say?

I wouldn't.

I know you wouldn't, but (correct me if I am mistaken), I don't think you have ever been pregnant.

You think it's ok for a man to try to force a woman to go through pregnancy? That the woman should just suck it up and deal with it? To hell with it if she can't work and support herself anymore. To hell with it if she dies during childbirth (it still happens btw, almost happened with my mom).

You may not like this, but a man cannot force women to do anything they don't want to do anymore.

That last sentence was a little low, wouldn't you say? A man cannot murder, so why should a woman be able to?

Well, yeah it was, sorry. But I'm getting this vibe from you that the woman's feelings are meaningless.

Murder? We put animals to sleep, we kill prisoners, we go to war, and you come and say the one death related thing we do, that has the most reason for being allowed... is just senseless murder?... Women can die in childbirth, they can be kicked out of their home if they can't work and pay the rent, they have to rear their child and pay for their care. Some lower class parents can barely pay for their own care, let alone care for another being's welfare.

If you don't want me to shoot low shots, try being at least a little considerate for people that may not be as well off as you.

 

[Watch Me Sink]

If they aren't well off, why have unprotected sex? And with the way that the USA is headed towards socialism, the government will support them.

Ironic the arguements you made (death penalty, putting animals to sleep, war etc), as I am against all of those, though there's no way you could have known that. I believe in some extreme circumstances war is justified, and staying in war will SAVE lives (if you pull troops out too fast or too slow, it will cost even more lives).

 

[katy perry is hot]

You may not like this, but a man cannot force women to do anything they don't want to do anymore.

Makes total sense to me. I don't see the lowness in this statement at all honestly.

 

[ToYz.CoMiX]

I don't think its right that if a man wants the child to be born, the decision to abort the pregnancy could still be carried through by the mother. The man is powerless against the idea of his unborn son or daughter being aborted.

I've seen this situation before.

 

[Oaerkae]

If they aren't well off, why have unprotected sex? And with the way that the USA is headed towards socialism, the government will support them.

Why have unprotected sex? Maybe they can't afford protected sex? Maybe they were drunk? Maybe they were stupid? Maybe they were human? Who knows... it happened anyway.

Oh shoot me... socialism? God, you hardly know what socialism is, you know two things about it, #1, the Soviet Union called themselves socialist, and #2, it's a great way to make stupid people rally behind any cause you want.

I want something to get into your mind... The United States Of America Is NOT socialist, it is capitalist, pure capitalist. Nothing any president does will change that.
Goodness, Britain and France for all its supposed left-winginess, is nothing close to Socialist. Socialism is not leftist, it isn't rightist, it is a whole 'nother concept of government all together.

Enough with the socialist talk, you don't know squat about socialism.

Ironic the arguements you made (death penalty, putting animals to sleep, war etc), as I am against all of those, though there's no way you could have known that. I believe in some extreme circumstances war is justified, and staying in war will SAVE lives (if you pull troops out too fast or too slow, it will cost even more lives).

You proved my point. If you believe war can be justified in extreme circumstances, then why can't abortion be justified in extreme circumstances? You can SAVE a mother's life by her having an abortion.

You may not like this, but a man cannot force women to do anything they don't want to do anymore.

Makes total sense to me. I don't see the lowness in this statement at all honestly.

Irviding, he doesn't understand that he's acting like a male-supremest. "You may not like this" is low to the non-supremest.

 

[Watch Me Sink]

I'll let you have the last word since you claim to know more about socialism than I do, and no matter what I say it is always wrong.

And no, I do not act like a male supremisist, you act like a female supremisist. I believe in equal rights for all people, fetus or born. I don't believe in reverse discrimination or discrimination at all. You have obviously twisted my words so that it makes me look like one, but I am far from one.

 

[Deleted member 1609]

I love the way that every debate on this forum turns into "socialists" vs. "capitalists." For the record, I am a socialist, and I'm nowhere near ashamed of that fact.

Anyway, back on-topic. I believe that ultimately, the decision on whether or not to have an abortion belongs completely to the woman because the baby is inside her body, and it literally lives off of her.