Homosexuality: Right or Wrong?

[USAPoliticsForumCom]

USAPoliticsForumCom,

Can you please respond to the statements we've made instead of skipping over them and replying solely to Nathan?

Sure can. 🙂

I'm sure straight people all talk about their spouses all the time. Why shouldn't gay people be able to do the same?

I never said they couldn't. Why would you think I'd have a problem with a gay person talking about their significant other? I don't care what they talk about.

If straight marriage were outlawed, you'd have parades to celebrate your sexual orientation too.

LOL no I don't think so. "Gay marriage" was never outlawed because there is NO SUCH THING. The true definition of marriage is as follows: "the formal union of a man and a woman, typically recognized by law, by which they become husband and wife." That is what marriage is and always has been since the beginning of time.

so that means public affections with your female companion wouldn't happen?

Public affections such as? Holding hands or walking arm in arm? Doesn't bother me in the least. When my kids were young, no I would not want them to see it..whether it be in a mall or on television.

 

[Taz]

^ you do realize you're whole life is based on a book.

Make your own decisions for once, life is about learning, evolution and living to ones own choices.

You're never going to learn if you focus on a set of written beliefs which control what you're open to learning about.

You're never going to evolve if you don't believe in the ability to be different.

You're never going to make your own choices, if you believe a book, word for word, on what is 'right' and what is 'wrong', what is 'good' and what is 'bad', what is 'acceptable' and what is 'unacceptable' etc.

Live a little mate.

Hakuna Matata.

I chose this correct lifestyle, no body forced me, no body was twisting my arm. I chose it because I realized that it was the best way to live.

So Taz,

I am assuming you dont have children yet, but if you ever do have kids and one of them turns out to be gay, how would you react to that?

Would never happen. I wouldn't let my child be posessed.

The question was how would you react to your child being gay, like, if you had no control over it?

How you would you stop your child from being "possessed?" What steps would you take to keep it from happening?

I do have control over it. Also, you are speaking of it as if you are not born gay correct? If you are, then you are correct. It is physically and mentally retarded to be born homosexual.

So lets say this, you guys say "oh let the gays be, who are we to judge?". Lets say someone was "born" a serial killer, why don't you let them be? Just let me kill who I want and dismember them as he pleases? Don't put him in an asylum, let him run for president, let him do everything your letting gays do because he "was born gay".

In conclusion, it has been established that it is impossible to be born anything. A baby comes into this world with no knowledge and is shaped by the environment. Even if If you say that the environment makes them gay that means its forcing homosexuality in them which bad right? That means homosexuality is not normal is someone has to become "it".

 

[souljaa]

I do have control over it. Also, you are speaking of it as if you are not born gay correct? If you are, then you are correct. It is physically and mentally retarded to be born homosexual.

So lets say this, you guys say "oh let the gays be, who are we to judge?". Lets say someone was "born" a serial killer, why don't you let them be? Just let me kill who I want and dismember them as he pleases? Don't put him in an asylum, let him run for president, let him do everything your letting gays do because he "was born gay".

In conclusion, it has been established that it is impossible to be born anything. A baby comes into this world with no knowledge and is shaped by the environment. Even if If you say that the environment makes them gay that means its forcing homosexuality in them which bad right? That means homosexuality is not normal is someone has to become "it".

Yes, because killing people and loving someone of the same sex is the exact same thing.

 

[Taz]

I do have control over it. Also, you are speaking of it as if you are not born gay correct? If you are, then you are correct. It is physically and mentally retarded to be born homosexual.

So lets say this, you guys say "oh let the gays be, who are we to judge?". Lets say someone was "born" a serial killer, why don't you let them be? Just let me kill who I want and dismember them as he pleases? Don't put him in an asylum, let him run for president, let him do everything your letting gays do because he "was born gay".

In conclusion, it has been established that it is impossible to be born anything. A baby comes into this world with no knowledge and is shaped by the environment. Even if If you say that the environment makes them gay that means its forcing homosexuality in them which bad right? That means homosexuality is not normal is someone has to become "it".

Yes, because killing people and loving someone of the same sex is the exact same thing.

Exactly, if someone loves to kill, why stop them?

 

[Shawn Gossman]

Public affections such as? Holding hands or walking arm in arm? Doesn't bother me in the least. When my kids were young, no I would not want them to see it..whether it be in a mall or on television.

You could always become a prepper 😛 Only kidding of course.

I don't let things I don't agree with get to me though. I suppose it my law enforcement experience. You see a lot in that line of work, if you let it get to you, it owns you.

 

[coolframe]

What's wrong with homosexuality? Animals are being homosexuals for centuries, anyone said it was bad? would stop eating a cow before it's trying things with another cow? or dogs or any other animal that do have homosexual tendances? What i don't understand, in some religions, they consider animals as same as humans, "god" gave them life etc etc but then, humans can't do things that animals can do, sort your things out I would say.

This is why I am not much into religions, their books or whatever they call it says things one page and few pages later you find out something contradictory.

back to subject, some of my best friends are gay and they have a very good life, many people don't even know they are gay, not like they don't like showing it in public, just because they look exactly the same as anyone else in the street.

 

[Eternal]

I chose this correct lifestyle, no body forced me, no body was twisting my arm. I chose it because I realized that it was the best way to live.

Please do explain what makes your lifestyle the "correct" lifestyle.

So lets say this, you guys say "oh let the gays be, who are we to judge?". Lets say someone was "born" a serial killer, why don't you let them be? Just let me kill who I want and dismember them as he pleases? Don't put him in an asylum, let him run for president, let him do everything your letting gays do because he "was born gay".

Taking another human beings life doesn't even compare to being a homosexual. If you actually think they are alike, you're just ignorant.

 

[GamerPerfection]

@Taz, Gays aren't born to kill people. You are comparing two things that are worlds apart from each other. You sound just like Naiwen.

 

[souljaa]

I do have control over it. Also, you are speaking of it as if you are not born gay correct? If you are, then you are correct. It is physically and mentally retarded to be born homosexual.

So lets say this, you guys say "oh let the gays be, who are we to judge?". Lets say someone was "born" a serial killer, why don't you let them be? Just let me kill who I want and dismember them as he pleases? Don't put him in an asylum, let him run for president, let him do everything your letting gays do because he "was born gay".

In conclusion, it has been established that it is impossible to be born anything. A baby comes into this world with no knowledge and is shaped by the environment. Even if If you say that the environment makes them gay that means its forcing homosexuality in them which bad right? That means homosexuality is not normal is someone has to become "it".

Yes, because killing people and loving someone of the same sex is the exact same thing.

Exactly, if someone loves to kill, why stop them?

...I was being sarcastic.

I'm not gay or anything, and it doesn't bother me at all.

But an HONEST question to EVERYONE in this thread that has something against homosexuality, how does it even truly AFFECT you? Like how does it get in your way? What difference does it honestly make in your life? Because I see no reason to be against it because it doesn't get in your way at all.

 

[Taz]

Someone kills someone across the planet, it doesn't affect you. Does that make it right?

@Taz, Gays aren't born to kill people. You are comparing two things that are worlds apart from each other. You sound just like Naiwen.

No way, you say that gay people are born gay, so lets say serial killers are born loving to kill. Just like gays are "born" loving the same sex.

Taking another human beings life doesn't even compare to being a homosexual. If you actually think they are alike, you're just ignorant.

Whats the difference? If they are both "born" gay, why stop them? That's who they are right?

 

[Red Herring]

Someone kills someone across the planet, it doesn't affect you. Does that make it right?

@Taz, Gays aren't born to kill people. You are comparing two things that are worlds apart from each other. You sound just like Naiwen.

No way, you say that gay people are born gay, so lets say serial killers are born loving to kill. Just like gays are "born" loving the same sex.

Taking another human beings life doesn't even compare to being a homosexual. If you actually think they are alike, you're just ignorant.

Whats the difference? If they are both "born" gay, why stop them? That's who they are right?

Your comparison has absolutely no relevance. Here's why.

Rapists, murders/serial killers and similar unsavory individuals take an individual against their will and directly seek to cause them pain, suffering and death. They are forcing a violent end upon an individual that does not desire their life to be ended. That is why their crime is wrong.

Homosexuals seek out other WILLING homosexuals to engage in the acts of love, romance and sexual relationships. Both parties are fully willing to engage in the act and they do not seek to harm another individual. They cannot be compared to serial killers as they are not forcibly taking individuals against their will and causing them pain/suffering/death/etc. Everything is consensual on their end.
If their act is completely consensual and does not actively seek to harm others, then we as the third party have no right to interfere.

 

[Taz]

Let me ask you something, are serial killers born like that? Lets say I was a serial killer, what right would you have to stop me from killing?

 

[souljaa]

Let me ask you something, are serial killers born like that? Lets say I was a serial killer, what right would you have to stop me from killing?

So you're saying if I chose to be gay tomorrow, I could be gay? Why would gay people CHOSE to be gay? Why would straight people CHOSE to be straight?

I really don't get your argument at all, I don't understand how killing someone is relevant to a homosexual in any way. I don't see it.

 

[GamerPerfection]

Let me ask you something, are serial killers born like that? Lets say I was a serial killer, what right would you have to stop me from killing?

What right would we have? Erm.... the LAW!!!!!

 

[Red Herring]

Let me ask you something, are serial killers born like that? Lets say I was a serial killer, what right would you have to stop me from killing?

Well, we're getting a bit off-topic here. But I'll go ahead and take a bite at the point you're trying to make. First off, we cannot say for certain. There is some evidence that some serial killers are born with traits that turn them into deranged murderous psychopaths, sociopaths or psychotics. However, there's also quite a bit of evidence that serial killers are shaped more by the environmental factor.

If there are serial killers that are born with such traits, however, then what gives us the right to stop them, you ask? After all, they were born with it, so how could it be wrong? Well, simple. We have the right to stop them because they present a clear and direct danger to the individuals living within our society. They may not be able to help themselves, but that doesn't change the fact they are forcibly bringing a brutal end to individuals that have caused them no harm; individuals that (generally) do not deserve to have their lives so violently taken away from them.

It's about as right or wrong as putting down a rabid animal. Sure, the rabid dog can't really help biting the 7 year old child's arm off, but we can't simply let it go ahead and do that, can we? That child certainly wasn't doing the dog any harm and it does not deserve to lose its arm. Similarly, parasites infect your system and leech off of you, feeding off of your body and sending you to a slow death. The parasites do this because it's in their evolutionary makeup to do so, and they are required to in order to live. But you're not very well going to let that parasite simply suck the life out of you, are you? "Sorry you were born this way, parasite. You can go ahead and take my life." ?

Now, when it comes to homosexuality, I am of the opinion that individuals can be born with it. I am also of the opinion that homosexuality can be shaped purely by environment factors rather than genetic traits. I even believe that some individuals out there are indeed capable of making the "choice" to be a homosexual, although I feel as though this is quite infrequent. I feel that our gene pool and our upbringings as humans are simply far too diverse and influential to rule out everything else in favor of one explanation.

Does that make homosexuality wrong? No, I certainly do not believe it does. Why? Because it's a purely benign factor. As opposed to serial killers, homosexuals do not seek out individuals to cause them pain and suffering against their will. They seek out other members of their sexuality to engage in romantic and sexual activity. It is purely consensual. We are not being harmed by it. They are not being harmed by it. So where is the "wrong" here? Let them be entitled to their lifestyle and happiness just as you are entitled to yours.

 

[Sam]

The only issue I personally have with it is the lack of evidence around gay couple adoptions- I believe the best situation is where you have both a male and a female significant person in your life. Ultimately it's what is best for the adopted child, rather than equal rights, which matters in this case.

 

[MrBaz]

Not got the time to be reading though 17 full pages of posts however here's my view on it.

There is nothing wrong with men/women being gay. As far as i'm aware there aren't many countries that have outdated laws saying that being in a homosexual relationship is breaking the law, and lets be totally honest, at the end of the day they are humans just like the rest of us.

They still work, provide, pay taxes etc like the rest of us, so why should they be treated differently? Who is to say they'd make bad parents? Only a judge could actually tell them they aren't allowed to be, but that's a different matter.

In the small number of people I personally know there is a gay couple and a lesbian who is currently single. You wouldn't know it looking at them from afar they were gay, you see them around family, and how good they are with kids etc the assumption would be oh it's a family man/woman. My kids aren't affected by what their Uncle is, it's natural for them. It really is time to end the stigma around it all.

 

[USAPoliticsForumCom]

There is nothing wrong with men/women being gay. As far as i'm aware there aren't many countries that have outdated laws saying that being in a homosexual relationship is breaking the law, and lets be totally honest, at the end of the day they are humans just like the rest of us.

They still work, provide, pay taxes etc like the rest of us, so why should they be treated differently? Who is to say they'd make bad parents? Only a judge could actually tell them they aren't allowed to be, but that's a different matter.

There are a fair number of countries, especially in the middle east who put gays to death or torture them. Yes it's barbaric and has no place in civilized society. But most of those countries are not civilized.
No problem with gays here. In my lifetime, I've had lots of friends and some family who are/were gay. People are free to behave however they wish so long as it doesn't effect anyone else.

 

[MrBaz]

There are a fair number of countries, especially in the middle east who put gays to death or torture them. Yes it's barbaric and has no place in civilized society. But most of those countries are not civilized.
No problem with gays here. In my lifetime, I've had lots of friends and some family who are/were gay. People are free to behave however they wish so long as it doesn't effect anyone else.

I knew some Middle Eastern countries will still that barbaric, but I thought some of them were starting to get a bit better, how wrong was I?

 

[USAPoliticsForumCom]

There are a fair number of countries, especially in the middle east who put gays to death or torture them. Yes it's barbaric and has no place in civilized society. But most of those countries are not civilized.
No problem with gays here. In my lifetime, I've had lots of friends and some family who are/were gay. People are free to behave however they wish so long as it doesn't effect anyone else.

I knew some Middle Eastern countries will still that barbaric, but I thought some of them were starting to get a bit better, how wrong was I?

I don't know much more than you as far as which countries are changing and which are not. I only know that there are some still in the dark ages.