Isis?

[Play]

I am probably about to step on some toes here...

I think that since we all have to live on this planet together, anyone that is spreading a message of hate and death should automatically be seen as a threat to the entire world and exterminated with extreme prejudice. I am referring, of course, to people who are actually calling for murder and genocide like Isis and similar groups. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and beliefs, but if you believe you should have the right to slaughter innocent people, then I believe the rest of the world has a right to squash you like a bug. That is my take on inhuman animals like Isis and any other terrorists.

That may make it sound like I have an extreme opinion of beliefs that are contrary to my own, but it is actually the exact opposite. I strongly believe that everyone should be entirely free to choose their own way of life, though I do not believe that means they are always choosing the right way. I do believe in black and white morality (to an extent), but I think that if someone wants to be wrong and is willing to suffer the consequences, that is their prerogative as a human being. That is precisely why I hate (and yes I do mean hate) Isis and everything they stand for. They are anti-human monsters. I served in the U.S. military for seven years and I love freedom and liberty.

Also, I hate to say this but extremist groups like Isis are the only Muslims that practice their religion correctly. I really do not have to argue that case because the Quran clearly spells it out. I have personally read it and it is shocking. I know a lot of religions have violent histories, but Islam is the only one I know of that demands death and destruction. It is not even a misinterpretation or anything like that because it is very clearly stated with no room for interpretation. Muslims are required to hate and kill non-Muslims and they are rewarded for doing so. It is all right there for anyone to see. I am certainly not knocking any Muslims personally, I know a few Muslims and I like them, but the peaceful ones are the ones that are confused about their religion, not the other way around. Religion is a deeply personal thing and it can be hard to hear that one is so blatantly evil, even if it is not your own. I know I do not like to say it, but I am not the type to delude myself about an issue just because I care about the people involved. Its sad but true.

 

[TheDon90]

Isis= in dependent secret intelligent service

SEcret service is secret intelligence service

You do the math 2+2= 4

The government is playing us

 

[MrDawn]

I just think ISIS is a group of people with many issues.

 

[Shawn Gossman]

Islamic State is a threat, yes. How they became a threat is up for debate but I do not feel that their history matters anymore. They are real, they kill and they will continue to grow. If we do somehow manage to phase them out, other terrorist-based organizations like them or worse than them will continue to form. As long as human beings with a free will to choose their own beliefs, cultures and opinions continues, terrorism will always be a threat. It is really, that simple.

The real tragedy here though, is not an ability to stop or eliminate ISIL. The real tragedy here is organizations, communities, entities and individuals who rely solely on their governments to act as a 'first responder' to the threat of terrorism.

'Oh my God, ISIL is getting stronger, why isn't the feds doing something about this, what am I to do????'

Well, doing what you are doing - worrying and nothing else, that is not what you should be doing...

Everyone needs to acts as a Whole Community no matter where in the world they are and band together as well as plan and prepare their locations and assets for the threat of terrorism. The government is not and will never be a first responder - they would be in massive debt, very quickly, if that was the case.

Preparedness....that is what people should be doing about ISIL.

 

[Watch Me Sink]

Isis= in dependent secret intelligent service

SEcret service is secret intelligence service

You do the math 2+2= 4

The government is playing us

Wow, never thought of this before.

Taliban = Trained Armed Liberators Initiated by Bush And NATO :shock: :shock: :shock:

 

[TheWizard]

WOW!

The amount of Islamaphobia in this topic.

Play, I am a muslim, I have read translations of the Quran, and NONE OF THEM PUSH FOR VIOLENCE. Most which have violence recommended is similar to how the US encourages violence if someone is attacking you, or if a country is attacking your country. In self-defense. Even some NON-Biased NON-Zionest media outlets have said (there is this one article by a swiss christian who studied islam) that the code of war for Muslims is this:

Never kill if there is another option (Something terrorist groups dont do)
Never Kill unarmed, women, children, or seniors (Something terrorist groups also ignore)
Never enslave the surrendered (You get the point by now I guess)
Always respect your enemy
Never destroy holy buildings, or historic texts
And so on.

Have you ever heard the story of Salah Al Din?
Richard the Lionheart lost his horse mid battle, Saladin had two Arabian horses delivered to Richard by his soldiers DURING the battle.

Also, I am not saying Islam is "The World's Most Peaceful Religion", since there are some texts which encourage violence. But Christianity and Judaism are far from it too, and so are Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, and such. Christianity encourages taking up the sword against people who are not Christians, and we saw this up until the 1700s, all religions except Christianity were banned in Christian states. Meanwhile, Mughal Empire was known to be one of the most religious-tolerant states. Ottomans were religious tolerant, with the exception of people having to pay taxes, and it was only a small tax.

Someone else mentioned, Radical Islam is a disease that needs to be cleansed. Why not Radical Christians? So Muslims are the only problem, how about the Zionists Huh? Here is the thing, Up until the crusades, Christianity blamed all the word's problems on the Jews, because they were (as stated in some versions of the bible) "People of Witchcraft", when all the Jews were either killed or expelled from the "Christendom" (During the dark ages of Medieval history, while the Muslims were stuck saving texts, researching, and spreading their religion). They had nothing to blame the problems on, the pope found an opportunity when the Turks (Again each place combines their culture with their religion, and Turks were warmongerers) started endangering the Byzantines. Thats when the crusades started, and lets not forget the sacking of Constantinople and many other Christian cities on the way there, or during the many crusades, not by Muslims (Who were protecting the Jews), but by the Invaders. Anyways, Muslims were hard enemies to defeat, so therefore, the church started saying that Muslims were ruthless violent barbarians, and everyone believed them.

And thats where we get the modern perception of Islam. Where Christians tarnished another Religions reputation, and continue to do it, and yet try to state that "They are not as violent as muslims.

Ok so I was kind of in a mad rant, but my point is, MUSLIMS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM. Extremists cherry-pick (Hmm the similarities, The media does it too), on verses from the quran which have an all out bigger meaning, and using a tiny bit of that verse, they claim that Islam encourages it.

 

[Cosmic]

WOW!

The amount of Islamaphobia in this topic.

Play, I am a muslim, I have read translations of the Quran, and NONE OF THEM PUSH FOR VIOLENCE. Most which have violence recommended is similar to how the US encourages violence if someone is attacking you, or if a country is attacking your country. In self-defense. Even some NON-Biased NON-Zionest media outlets have said (there is this one article by a swiss christian who studied islam) that the code of war for Muslims is this:

Never kill if there is another option (Something terrorist groups dont do)
Never Kill unarmed, women, children, or seniors (Something terrorist groups also ignore)
Never enslave the surrendered (You get the point by now I guess)
Always respect your enemy
Never destroy holy buildings, or historic texts
And so on.

Have you ever heard the story of Salah Al Din?
Richard the Lionheart lost his horse mid battle, Saladin had two Arabian horses delivered to Richard by his soldiers DURING the battle.

Also, I am not saying Islam is "The World's Most Peaceful Religion", since there are some texts which encourage violence. But Christianity and Judaism are far from it too, and so are Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, and such. Christianity encourages taking up the sword against people who are not Christians, and we saw this up until the 1700s, all religions except Christianity were banned in Christian states. Meanwhile, Mughal Empire was known to be one of the most religious-tolerant states. Ottomans were religious tolerant, with the exception of people having to pay taxes, and it was only a small tax.

Someone else mentioned, Radical Islam is a disease that needs to be cleansed. Why not Radical Christians? So Muslims are the only problem, how about the Zionists Huh? Here is the thing, Up until the crusades, Christianity blamed all the word's problems on the Jews, because they were (as stated in some versions of the bible) "People of Witchcraft", when all the Jews were either killed or expelled from the "Christendom" (During the dark ages of Medieval history, while the Muslims were stuck saving texts, researching, and spreading their religion). They had nothing to blame the problems on, the pope found an opportunity when the Turks (Again each place combines their culture with their religion, and Turks were warmongerers) started endangering the Byzantines. Thats when the crusades started, and lets not forget the sacking of Constantinople and many other Christian cities on the way there, or during the many crusades, not by Muslims (Who were protecting the Jews), but by the Invaders. Anyways, Muslims were hard enemies to defeat, so therefore, the church started saying that Muslims were ruthless violent barbarians, and everyone believed them.

And thats where we get the modern perception of Islam. Where Christians tarnished another Religions reputation, and continue to do it, and yet try to state that "They are not as violent as muslims.

Ok so I was kind of in a mad rant, but my point is, MUSLIMS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM. Extremists cherry-pick (Hmm the similarities, The media does it too), on verses from the quran which have an all out bigger meaning, and using a tiny bit of that verse, they claim that Islam encourages it.

B-but ISIS. Iran. Nukes. Scary! 😱

Really though: I'm with you. 🙂 It really just seems to me that the media and political parties are fear mongering at the expense of Muslims.

Welcome to FP, by the way!

 

[Deleted member 5665]

WOW!

The amount of Islamaphobia in this topic.

Play, I am a muslim, I have read translations of the Quran, and NONE OF THEM PUSH FOR VIOLENCE. Most which have violence recommended is similar to how the US encourages violence if someone is attacking you, or if a country is attacking your country. In self-defense. Even some NON-Biased NON-Zionest media outlets have said (there is this one article by a swiss christian who studied islam) that the code of war for Muslims is this:

Never kill if there is another option (Something terrorist groups dont do)
Never Kill unarmed, women, children, or seniors (Something terrorist groups also ignore)
Never enslave the surrendered (You get the point by now I guess)
Always respect your enemy
Never destroy holy buildings, or historic texts
And so on.

Have you ever heard the story of Salah Al Din?
Richard the Lionheart lost his horse mid battle, Saladin had two Arabian horses delivered to Richard by his soldiers DURING the battle.

Also, I am not saying Islam is "The World's Most Peaceful Religion", since there are some texts which encourage violence. But Christianity and Judaism are far from it too, and so are Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, and such. Christianity encourages taking up the sword against people who are not Christians, and we saw this up until the 1700s, all religions except Christianity were banned in Christian states. Meanwhile, Mughal Empire was known to be one of the most religious-tolerant states. Ottomans were religious tolerant, with the exception of people having to pay taxes, and it was only a small tax.

Someone else mentioned, Radical Islam is a disease that needs to be cleansed. Why not Radical Christians? So Muslims are the only problem, how about the Zionists Huh? Here is the thing, Up until the crusades, Christianity blamed all the word's problems on the Jews, because they were (as stated in some versions of the bible) "People of Witchcraft", when all the Jews were either killed or expelled from the "Christendom" (During the dark ages of Medieval history, while the Muslims were stuck saving texts, researching, and spreading their religion). They had nothing to blame the problems on, the pope found an opportunity when the Turks (Again each place combines their culture with their religion, and Turks were warmongerers) started endangering the Byzantines. Thats when the crusades started, and lets not forget the sacking of Constantinople and many other Christian cities on the way there, or during the many crusades, not by Muslims (Who were protecting the Jews), but by the Invaders. Anyways, Muslims were hard enemies to defeat, so therefore, the church started saying that Muslims were ruthless violent barbarians, and everyone believed them.

And thats where we get the modern perception of Islam. Where Christians tarnished another Religions reputation, and continue to do it, and yet try to state that "They are not as violent as muslims.

Ok so I was kind of in a mad rant, but my point is, MUSLIMS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM. Extremists cherry-pick (Hmm the similarities, The media does it too), on verses from the quran which have an all out bigger meaning, and using a tiny bit of that verse, they claim that Islam encourages it.

I agree Muslims aren't the problem, but one thing is. At least right now in the US you can go do a local book store and get a quran and you can look it up online easily.

Then you have Iran which is a islamic state. Last time I checked Iran allows the marriage of children at the age of 9 with the approval of a judge. Also last time I checked the Quran actually teaches to 'Lie' to thoses who don't believe in Islam. It also dictates there be at least 3 male witnesses to rape for any action to be taken agasint a rapist, which obviously will logically never happen so rape freely in Islam.

To be honest though I don't really care who here gets offended for the things I say agasint Islam because I know history and I excelled in History at school I was personally always interested in the facts of History so I know the truths from the lies. I can say without a doubt Islam has been a abomination to mankind since its existence. I know muhammad very well who he was from when I learned about history and what he represented and the only reason he created a religion called Islam was to continue his little War Cult after death.

So, no I am not a islamaphobic if you want to play that card go join Hillary and the ignorant idiots who play sexist and race card everytime they get offended when someone says something they don't like.

I am going to speak the truth wether you like it or not. The Crusades had a chance to end Islam back during the crusades and it should have ended there and we wouldn't be dealing with ISIS and the crap we are dealing with now. If we had a president in the white house that was willing we could have a 2nd Crusade to end it for good with the technology we have now.

The only reason the Crusades happen was when Islam was attacking the Christian nations and were slaughtering 1,000s and raping people. So the pope of that time along with the Christians and a few others went on to take them out and they should have rightfully so ended it right then and there, but sadly it didn't end.

The US first war off our own soil was agasint Islamic Muslims. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War

History has proven multible of times what Islam is and I will continue to be agasint it. There is no justification for what Islam is. I just saw a video not to long ago of islamic muslims at a college here in the US threatening to kill american's.

 

[TheWizard]

WOW!

The amount of Islamaphobia in this topic.

Play, I am a muslim, I have read translations of the Quran, and NONE OF THEM PUSH FOR VIOLENCE. Most which have violence recommended is similar to how the US encourages violence if someone is attacking you, or if a country is attacking your country. In self-defense. Even some NON-Biased NON-Zionest media outlets have said (there is this one article by a swiss christian who studied islam) that the code of war for Muslims is this:

Never kill if there is another option (Something terrorist groups dont do)
Never Kill unarmed, women, children, or seniors (Something terrorist groups also ignore)
Never enslave the surrendered (You get the point by now I guess)
Always respect your enemy
Never destroy holy buildings, or historic texts
And so on.

Have you ever heard the story of Salah Al Din?
Richard the Lionheart lost his horse mid battle, Saladin had two Arabian horses delivered to Richard by his soldiers DURING the battle.

Also, I am not saying Islam is "The World's Most Peaceful Religion", since there are some texts which encourage violence. But Christianity and Judaism are far from it too, and so are Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, and such. Christianity encourages taking up the sword against people who are not Christians, and we saw this up until the 1700s, all religions except Christianity were banned in Christian states. Meanwhile, Mughal Empire was known to be one of the most religious-tolerant states. Ottomans were religious tolerant, with the exception of people having to pay taxes, and it was only a small tax.

Someone else mentioned, Radical Islam is a disease that needs to be cleansed. Why not Radical Christians? So Muslims are the only problem, how about the Zionists Huh? Here is the thing, Up until the crusades, Christianity blamed all the word's problems on the Jews, because they were (as stated in some versions of the bible) "People of Witchcraft", when all the Jews were either killed or expelled from the "Christendom" (During the dark ages of Medieval history, while the Muslims were stuck saving texts, researching, and spreading their religion). They had nothing to blame the problems on, the pope found an opportunity when the Turks (Again each place combines their culture with their religion, and Turks were warmongerers) started endangering the Byzantines. Thats when the crusades started, and lets not forget the sacking of Constantinople and many other Christian cities on the way there, or during the many crusades, not by Muslims (Who were protecting the Jews), but by the Invaders. Anyways, Muslims were hard enemies to defeat, so therefore, the church started saying that Muslims were ruthless violent barbarians, and everyone believed them.

And thats where we get the modern perception of Islam. Where Christians tarnished another Religions reputation, and continue to do it, and yet try to state that "They are not as violent as muslims.

Ok so I was kind of in a mad rant, but my point is, MUSLIMS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM. Extremists cherry-pick (Hmm the similarities, The media does it too), on verses from the quran which have an all out bigger meaning, and using a tiny bit of that verse, they claim that Islam encourages it.

I agree Muslims aren't the problem, but one thing is. At least right now in the US you can go do a local book store and get a quran and you can look it up online easily.

Then you have Iran which is a islamic state. Last time I checked Iran allows the marriage of children at the age of 9 with the approval of a judge. Also last time I checked the Quran actually teaches to 'Lie' to thoses who don't believe in Islam. It also dictates there be at least 3 male witnesses to rape for any action to be taken agasint a rapist, which obviously will logically never happen so rape freely in Islam.

To be honest though I don't really care who here gets offended for the things I say agasint Islam because I know history and I excelled in History at school I was personally always interested in the facts of History so I know the truths from the lies. I can say without a doubt Islam has been a abomination to mankind since its existence. I know muhammad very well who he was from when I learned about history and what he represented and the only reason he created a religion called Islam was to continue his little War Cult after death.

So, no I am not a islamaphobic if you want to play that card go join Hillary and the ignorant idiots who play sexist and race card everytime they get offended when someone says something they don't like.

I am going to speak the truth wether you like it or not. The Crusades had a chance to end Islam back during the crusades and it should have ended there and we wouldn't be dealing with ISIS and the crap we are dealing with now. If we had a president in the white house that was willing we could have a 2nd Crusade to end it for good with the technology we have now.

The only reason the Crusades happen was when Islam was attacking the Christian nations and were slaughtering 1,000s and raping people. So the pope of that time along with the Christians and a few others went on to take them out and they should have rightfully so ended it right then and there, but sadly it didn't end.

The US first war off our own soil was agasint Islamic Muslims. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War

History has proven multible of times what Islam is and I will continue to be agasint it. There is no justification for what Islam is. I just saw a video not to long ago of islamic muslims at a college here in the US threatening to kill american's.

May I add onto there that only 37 (Hundred more if you add on the paris attack) people died from Islamic Terrorism, out of all the terrorist acts and murders since 2001.

Less then 0.0065 of the over 2 billion muslims in the world support extremist causes.

People have recognized that bible texts are more violent then muslim texts.

The circumstances change as time goes for the laws, for example, back then it required stricter punishments, and whenever a punishment should have been given, it shouldn't have been given to an innocent man.

Muslims scholars believe that justice changes over time, and there are different ways of delivering it.

Most people look at Iran, Saudi, and Iraq as examples for Islamic states, when it really shouldn't. Look at countries like Morocco, ones which have adapted with Western cultures yet still have islam in them.

The first war out of US Soil was the Quasi-War, and even if you will reply with the argument that the Quasi war was not in land, then I will reply with one thing, Morocco, an islamic nation, was the first to recognize the USA, and the first Diplomatic Partner of the US.

 

[Deleted member 5665]

WOW!

The amount of Islamaphobia in this topic.

Play, I am a muslim, I have read translations of the Quran, and NONE OF THEM PUSH FOR VIOLENCE. Most which have violence recommended is similar to how the US encourages violence if someone is attacking you, or if a country is attacking your country. In self-defense. Even some NON-Biased NON-Zionest media outlets have said (there is this one article by a swiss christian who studied islam) that the code of war for Muslims is this:

Never kill if there is another option (Something terrorist groups dont do)
Never Kill unarmed, women, children, or seniors (Something terrorist groups also ignore)
Never enslave the surrendered (You get the point by now I guess)
Always respect your enemy
Never destroy holy buildings, or historic texts
And so on.

Have you ever heard the story of Salah Al Din?
Richard the Lionheart lost his horse mid battle, Saladin had two Arabian horses delivered to Richard by his soldiers DURING the battle.

Also, I am not saying Islam is "The World's Most Peaceful Religion", since there are some texts which encourage violence. But Christianity and Judaism are far from it too, and so are Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, and such. Christianity encourages taking up the sword against people who are not Christians, and we saw this up until the 1700s, all religions except Christianity were banned in Christian states. Meanwhile, Mughal Empire was known to be one of the most religious-tolerant states. Ottomans were religious tolerant, with the exception of people having to pay taxes, and it was only a small tax.

Someone else mentioned, Radical Islam is a disease that needs to be cleansed. Why not Radical Christians? So Muslims are the only problem, how about the Zionists Huh? Here is the thing, Up until the crusades, Christianity blamed all the word's problems on the Jews, because they were (as stated in some versions of the bible) "People of Witchcraft", when all the Jews were either killed or expelled from the "Christendom" (During the dark ages of Medieval history, while the Muslims were stuck saving texts, researching, and spreading their religion). They had nothing to blame the problems on, the pope found an opportunity when the Turks (Again each place combines their culture with their religion, and Turks were warmongerers) started endangering the Byzantines. Thats when the crusades started, and lets not forget the sacking of Constantinople and many other Christian cities on the way there, or during the many crusades, not by Muslims (Who were protecting the Jews), but by the Invaders. Anyways, Muslims were hard enemies to defeat, so therefore, the church started saying that Muslims were ruthless violent barbarians, and everyone believed them.

And thats where we get the modern perception of Islam. Where Christians tarnished another Religions reputation, and continue to do it, and yet try to state that "They are not as violent as muslims.

Ok so I was kind of in a mad rant, but my point is, MUSLIMS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM. Extremists cherry-pick (Hmm the similarities, The media does it too), on verses from the quran which have an all out bigger meaning, and using a tiny bit of that verse, they claim that Islam encourages it.

I agree Muslims aren't the problem, but one thing is. At least right now in the US you can go do a local book store and get a quran and you can look it up online easily.

Then you have Iran which is a islamic state. Last time I checked Iran allows the marriage of children at the age of 9 with the approval of a judge. Also last time I checked the Quran actually teaches to 'Lie' to thoses who don't believe in Islam. It also dictates there be at least 3 male witnesses to rape for any action to be taken agasint a rapist, which obviously will logically never happen so rape freely in Islam.

To be honest though I don't really care who here gets offended for the things I say agasint Islam because I know history and I excelled in History at school I was personally always interested in the facts of History so I know the truths from the lies. I can say without a doubt Islam has been a abomination to mankind since its existence. I know muhammad very well who he was from when I learned about history and what he represented and the only reason he created a religion called Islam was to continue his little War Cult after death.

So, no I am not a islamaphobic if you want to play that card go join Hillary and the ignorant idiots who play sexist and race card everytime they get offended when someone says something they don't like.

I am going to speak the truth wether you like it or not. The Crusades had a chance to end Islam back during the crusades and it should have ended there and we wouldn't be dealing with ISIS and the crap we are dealing with now. If we had a president in the white house that was willing we could have a 2nd Crusade to end it for good with the technology we have now.

The only reason the Crusades happen was when Islam was attacking the Christian nations and were slaughtering 1,000s and raping people. So the pope of that time along with the Christians and a few others went on to take them out and they should have rightfully so ended it right then and there, but sadly it didn't end.

The US first war off our own soil was agasint Islamic Muslims. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War

History has proven multible of times what Islam is and I will continue to be agasint it. There is no justification for what Islam is. I just saw a video not to long ago of islamic muslims at a college here in the US threatening to kill american's.

May I add onto there that only 37 (Hundred more if you add on the paris attack) people died from Islamic Terrorism, out of all the terrorist acts and murders since 2001.

Less then 0.0065 of the over 2 billion muslims in the world support extremist causes.

People have recognized that bible texts are more violent then muslim texts.

The circumstances change as time goes for the laws, for example, back then it required stricter punishments, and whenever a punishment should have been given, it shouldn't have been given to an innocent man.

Muslims scholars believe that justice changes over time, and there are different ways of delivering it.

Most people look at Iran, Saudi, and Iraq as examples for Islamic states, when it really shouldn't. Look at countries like Morocco, ones which have adapted with Western cultures yet still have islam in them.

The first war out of US Soil was the Quasi-War, and even if you will reply with the argument that the Quasi war was not in land, then I will reply with one thing, Morocco, an islamic nation, was the first to recognize the USA, and the first Diplomatic Partner of the US.

Honestly, I am surprised you even bothered responding. Nothing will personally ever convince me Islam is a religion. Many things in history have proven this and will again in the future.

Islam has always been an anti-human, anti-freedom governmental war cult that still plagues this earth. Right now the only superpower nation that is smart enough to take action against it right now is China who was willing to ban it from their nation. I applaud China for making this move and I hope the next President of the US will do the same.

As for the Bible is worse than the Quran. I have read the Bible and I can say the Quran is far worse. The Bible nowhere supports beheadings, the marriage of children, lying, etc like the Quran does. Your Quran supports everything that is considered wrong by the standards of American Citizens and the rest of the world who have enough common sense enough to know the difference between right and wrong.

Yes, I am willing to call you out as a liar. Islam will always be an enemy of humanity yesterday, today and tomorrow. It has proven it many years ago and it will again in the future. Until World Leaders get tired enough to take it off the face of the planet which it should be so.

 

[TheWizard]

WOW!

The amount of Islamaphobia in this topic.

Play, I am a muslim, I have read translations of the Quran, and NONE OF THEM PUSH FOR VIOLENCE. Most which have violence recommended is similar to how the US encourages violence if someone is attacking you, or if a country is attacking your country. In self-defense. Even some NON-Biased NON-Zionest media outlets have said (there is this one article by a swiss christian who studied islam) that the code of war for Muslims is this:

Never kill if there is another option (Something terrorist groups dont do)
Never Kill unarmed, women, children, or seniors (Something terrorist groups also ignore)
Never enslave the surrendered (You get the point by now I guess)
Always respect your enemy
Never destroy holy buildings, or historic texts
And so on.

Have you ever heard the story of Salah Al Din?
Richard the Lionheart lost his horse mid battle, Saladin had two Arabian horses delivered to Richard by his soldiers DURING the battle.

Also, I am not saying Islam is "The World's Most Peaceful Religion", since there are some texts which encourage violence. But Christianity and Judaism are far from it too, and so are Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, and such. Christianity encourages taking up the sword against people who are not Christians, and we saw this up until the 1700s, all religions except Christianity were banned in Christian states. Meanwhile, Mughal Empire was known to be one of the most religious-tolerant states. Ottomans were religious tolerant, with the exception of people having to pay taxes, and it was only a small tax.

Someone else mentioned, Radical Islam is a disease that needs to be cleansed. Why not Radical Christians? So Muslims are the only problem, how about the Zionists Huh? Here is the thing, Up until the crusades, Christianity blamed all the word's problems on the Jews, because they were (as stated in some versions of the bible) "People of Witchcraft", when all the Jews were either killed or expelled from the "Christendom" (During the dark ages of Medieval history, while the Muslims were stuck saving texts, researching, and spreading their religion). They had nothing to blame the problems on, the pope found an opportunity when the Turks (Again each place combines their culture with their religion, and Turks were warmongerers) started endangering the Byzantines. Thats when the crusades started, and lets not forget the sacking of Constantinople and many other Christian cities on the way there, or during the many crusades, not by Muslims (Who were protecting the Jews), but by the Invaders. Anyways, Muslims were hard enemies to defeat, so therefore, the church started saying that Muslims were ruthless violent barbarians, and everyone believed them.

And thats where we get the modern perception of Islam. Where Christians tarnished another Religions reputation, and continue to do it, and yet try to state that "They are not as violent as muslims.

Ok so I was kind of in a mad rant, but my point is, MUSLIMS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM. Extremists cherry-pick (Hmm the similarities, The media does it too), on verses from the quran which have an all out bigger meaning, and using a tiny bit of that verse, they claim that Islam encourages it.

I agree Muslims aren't the problem, but one thing is. At least right now in the US you can go do a local book store and get a quran and you can look it up online easily.

Then you have Iran which is a islamic state. Last time I checked Iran allows the marriage of children at the age of 9 with the approval of a judge. Also last time I checked the Quran actually teaches to 'Lie' to thoses who don't believe in Islam. It also dictates there be at least 3 male witnesses to rape for any action to be taken agasint a rapist, which obviously will logically never happen so rape freely in Islam.

To be honest though I don't really care who here gets offended for the things I say agasint Islam because I know history and I excelled in History at school I was personally always interested in the facts of History so I know the truths from the lies. I can say without a doubt Islam has been a abomination to mankind since its existence. I know muhammad very well who he was from when I learned about history and what he represented and the only reason he created a religion called Islam was to continue his little War Cult after death.

So, no I am not a islamaphobic if you want to play that card go join Hillary and the ignorant idiots who play sexist and race card everytime they get offended when someone says something they don't like.

I am going to speak the truth wether you like it or not. The Crusades had a chance to end Islam back during the crusades and it should have ended there and we wouldn't be dealing with ISIS and the crap we are dealing with now. If we had a president in the white house that was willing we could have a 2nd Crusade to end it for good with the technology we have now.

The only reason the Crusades happen was when Islam was attacking the Christian nations and were slaughtering 1,000s and raping people. So the pope of that time along with the Christians and a few others went on to take them out and they should have rightfully so ended it right then and there, but sadly it didn't end.

The US first war off our own soil was agasint Islamic Muslims. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War

History has proven multible of times what Islam is and I will continue to be agasint it. There is no justification for what Islam is. I just saw a video not to long ago of islamic muslims at a college here in the US threatening to kill american's.

May I add onto there that only 37 (Hundred more if you add on the paris attack) people died from Islamic Terrorism, out of all the terrorist acts and murders since 2001.

Less then 0.0065 of the over 2 billion muslims in the world support extremist causes.

People have recognized that bible texts are more violent then muslim texts.

The circumstances change as time goes for the laws, for example, back then it required stricter punishments, and whenever a punishment should have been given, it shouldn't have been given to an innocent man.

Muslims scholars believe that justice changes over time, and there are different ways of delivering it.

Most people look at Iran, Saudi, and Iraq as examples for Islamic states, when it really shouldn't. Look at countries like Morocco, ones which have adapted with Western cultures yet still have islam in them.

The first war out of US Soil was the Quasi-War, and even if you will reply with the argument that the Quasi war was not in land, then I will reply with one thing, Morocco, an islamic nation, was the first to recognize the USA, and the first Diplomatic Partner of the US.

Honestly, I am surprised you even bothered responding. Nothing will personally ever convince me Islam is a religion. Many things in history have proven this and will again in the future.

Islam has always been an anti-human, anti-freedom governmental war cult that still plagues this earth. Right now the only superpower nation that is smart enough to take action against it right now is China who was willing to ban it from their nation. I applaud China for making this move and I hope the next President of the US will do the same.

As for the Bible is worse than the Quran. I have read the Bible and I can say the Quran is far worse. The Bible nowhere supports beheadings, the marriage of children, lying, etc like the Quran does. Your Quran supports everything that is considered wrong by the standards of American Citizens and the rest of the world who have enough common sense enough to know the difference between right and wrong.

Yes, I am willing to call you out as a liar. Islam will always be an enemy of humanity yesterday, today and tomorrow. It has proven it many years ago and it will again in the future. Until World Leaders get tired enough to take it off the face of the planet which it should be so.

I am just trying to explain against the misinformation you have been provided.

I really do not have a response to your answer since it is entirely, if not most of what you said, false. Let me tell you one quick thing, if a non-insane white, very religious shooter, like the danish shooter who wrote a Christian manifesto, caused a mass shooting, most people would link those acts to acts of insanity rather then violence. Or if someone (Another white person ) shot three muslim kids in the head with the excuse of "Because they took my parking space", they will be immediately believed instead of calling those hate crimes, yet when a arab, not even muslims, shoots and kills one person, or correction, injures one person due to attacking their ethnicity, they will be called radical jihadists.

That was just to show media Bias.

Anyways, you may think that islam is a cult all you like, I have no objections against it, I have tried to educate you against it.

In my opinion it is best not to keep a radical stance, since it can really hurt you. And the fact that one small little thing (even if it is big) done by an individual is not enough to hinder a religion, since it is the individual's problem, not the religion's.

Also, about the US should be eradicating Islam, well that is against one of the most important amendments in the US. In fact, there were more bills passed (I think statewise) since some Muslims committed acts of heroism for America, Muhammad has even been honored in the supreme court as one of the most just leaders. ((I am going to take a completely random guess and say you want Trump to be president, please forgive me if I am wrong (In that case you might just lie to make me wrong (See the mind tricks)))

Let me just ask you a one thing, there are two billion plus Muslims in the world, according to you we are all plotting to destroy western democracy right?

 

[Deleted member 5665]

WOW!

The amount of Islamaphobia in this topic.

Play, I am a muslim, I have read translations of the Quran, and NONE OF THEM PUSH FOR VIOLENCE. Most which have violence recommended is similar to how the US encourages violence if someone is attacking you, or if a country is attacking your country. In self-defense. Even some NON-Biased NON-Zionest media outlets have said (there is this one article by a swiss christian who studied islam) that the code of war for Muslims is this:

Never kill if there is another option (Something terrorist groups dont do)
Never Kill unarmed, women, children, or seniors (Something terrorist groups also ignore)
Never enslave the surrendered (You get the point by now I guess)
Always respect your enemy
Never destroy holy buildings, or historic texts
And so on.

Have you ever heard the story of Salah Al Din?
Richard the Lionheart lost his horse mid battle, Saladin had two Arabian horses delivered to Richard by his soldiers DURING the battle.

Also, I am not saying Islam is "The World's Most Peaceful Religion", since there are some texts which encourage violence. But Christianity and Judaism are far from it too, and so are Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, and such. Christianity encourages taking up the sword against people who are not Christians, and we saw this up until the 1700s, all religions except Christianity were banned in Christian states. Meanwhile, Mughal Empire was known to be one of the most religious-tolerant states. Ottomans were religious tolerant, with the exception of people having to pay taxes, and it was only a small tax.

Someone else mentioned, Radical Islam is a disease that needs to be cleansed. Why not Radical Christians? So Muslims are the only problem, how about the Zionists Huh? Here is the thing, Up until the crusades, Christianity blamed all the word's problems on the Jews, because they were (as stated in some versions of the bible) "People of Witchcraft", when all the Jews were either killed or expelled from the "Christendom" (During the dark ages of Medieval history, while the Muslims were stuck saving texts, researching, and spreading their religion). They had nothing to blame the problems on, the pope found an opportunity when the Turks (Again each place combines their culture with their religion, and Turks were warmongerers) started endangering the Byzantines. Thats when the crusades started, and lets not forget the sacking of Constantinople and many other Christian cities on the way there, or during the many crusades, not by Muslims (Who were protecting the Jews), but by the Invaders. Anyways, Muslims were hard enemies to defeat, so therefore, the church started saying that Muslims were ruthless violent barbarians, and everyone believed them.

And thats where we get the modern perception of Islam. Where Christians tarnished another Religions reputation, and continue to do it, and yet try to state that "They are not as violent as muslims.

Ok so I was kind of in a mad rant, but my point is, MUSLIMS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM. Extremists cherry-pick (Hmm the similarities, The media does it too), on verses from the quran which have an all out bigger meaning, and using a tiny bit of that verse, they claim that Islam encourages it.

I agree Muslims aren't the problem, but one thing is. At least right now in the US you can go do a local book store and get a quran and you can look it up online easily.

Then you have Iran which is a islamic state. Last time I checked Iran allows the marriage of children at the age of 9 with the approval of a judge. Also last time I checked the Quran actually teaches to 'Lie' to thoses who don't believe in Islam. It also dictates there be at least 3 male witnesses to rape for any action to be taken agasint a rapist, which obviously will logically never happen so rape freely in Islam.

To be honest though I don't really care who here gets offended for the things I say agasint Islam because I know history and I excelled in History at school I was personally always interested in the facts of History so I know the truths from the lies. I can say without a doubt Islam has been a abomination to mankind since its existence. I know muhammad very well who he was from when I learned about history and what he represented and the only reason he created a religion called Islam was to continue his little War Cult after death.

So, no I am not a islamaphobic if you want to play that card go join Hillary and the ignorant idiots who play sexist and race card everytime they get offended when someone says something they don't like.

I am going to speak the truth wether you like it or not. The Crusades had a chance to end Islam back during the crusades and it should have ended there and we wouldn't be dealing with ISIS and the crap we are dealing with now. If we had a president in the white house that was willing we could have a 2nd Crusade to end it for good with the technology we have now.

The only reason the Crusades happen was when Islam was attacking the Christian nations and were slaughtering 1,000s and raping people. So the pope of that time along with the Christians and a few others went on to take them out and they should have rightfully so ended it right then and there, but sadly it didn't end.

The US first war off our own soil was agasint Islamic Muslims. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War

History has proven multible of times what Islam is and I will continue to be agasint it. There is no justification for what Islam is. I just saw a video not to long ago of islamic muslims at a college here in the US threatening to kill american's.

May I add onto there that only 37 (Hundred more if you add on the paris attack) people died from Islamic Terrorism, out of all the terrorist acts and murders since 2001.

Less then 0.0065 of the over 2 billion muslims in the world support extremist causes.

People have recognized that bible texts are more violent then muslim texts.

The circumstances change as time goes for the laws, for example, back then it required stricter punishments, and whenever a punishment should have been given, it shouldn't have been given to an innocent man.

Muslims scholars believe that justice changes over time, and there are different ways of delivering it.

Most people look at Iran, Saudi, and Iraq as examples for Islamic states, when it really shouldn't. Look at countries like Morocco, ones which have adapted with Western cultures yet still have islam in them.

The first war out of US Soil was the Quasi-War, and even if you will reply with the argument that the Quasi war was not in land, then I will reply with one thing, Morocco, an islamic nation, was the first to recognize the USA, and the first Diplomatic Partner of the US.

Honestly, I am surprised you even bothered responding. Nothing will personally ever convince me Islam is a religion. Many things in history have proven this and will again in the future.

Islam has always been an anti-human, anti-freedom governmental war cult that still plagues this earth. Right now the only superpower nation that is smart enough to take action against it right now is China who was willing to ban it from their nation. I applaud China for making this move and I hope the next President of the US will do the same.

As for the Bible is worse than the Quran. I have read the Bible and I can say the Quran is far worse. The Bible nowhere supports beheadings, the marriage of children, lying, etc like the Quran does. Your Quran supports everything that is considered wrong by the standards of American Citizens and the rest of the world who have enough common sense enough to know the difference between right and wrong.

Yes, I am willing to call you out as a liar. Islam will always be an enemy of humanity yesterday, today and tomorrow. It has proven it many years ago and it will again in the future. Until World Leaders get tired enough to take it off the face of the planet which it should be so.

I am just trying to explain against the misinformation you have been provided.

I really do not have a response to your answer since it is entirely, if not most of what you said, false. Let me tell you one quick thing, if a non-insane white, very religious shooter, like the danish shooter who wrote a Christian manifesto, caused a mass shooting, most people would link those acts to acts of insanity rather then violence. Or if someone (Another white person ) shot three muslim kids in the head with the excuse of "Because they took my parking space", they will be immediately believed instead of calling those hate crimes, yet when a arab, not even muslims, shoots and kills one person, or correction, injures one person due to attacking their ethnicity, they will be called radical jihadists.

That was just to show media Bias.

Anyways, you may think that islam is a cult all you like, I have no objections against it, I have tried to educate you against it.

In my opinion it is best not to keep a radical stance, since it can really hurt you. And the fact that one small little thing (even if it is big) done by an individual is not enough to hinder a religion, since it is the individual's problem, not the religion's.

Also, about the US should be eradicating Islam, well that is against one of the most important amendments in the US. In fact, there were more bills passed (I think statewise) since some Muslims committed acts of heroism for America, Muhammad has even been honored in the supreme court as one of the most just leaders. ((I am going to take a completely random guess and say you want Trump to be president, please forgive me if I am wrong (In that case you might just lie to make me wrong (See the mind tricks)))

Let me just ask you a one thing, there are two billion plus Muslims in the world, according to you we are all plotting to destroy western democracy right?

Interesting you're taking a few of my words out of context for your own purposes and gain to promote your own stupidity. As for Muslims, I never said they were the problem now did I? I said Islam is the problem.

When it comes to misinformation it is you sir that is sorely misinformed. Islam has always been an enemy of humanity since the dawn of its own creation. Crusades, US first off-soil war, Roman Empire, etc. Many things in simple history books prove exactly what Islam is a radicalize so-called religion (which it isn't a religion) that seeks to destroy anyone who does not believe in it.

As I mentioned before many Islamic believers who have come to the US due to the immigration thanks to Obama. Have threatened the lives of the American citizen (and there is video evidence of such) for not bending to their will or believing in Islam. There have been multiple news reports about Islamic killing American citizens all across the US. Yet the Government still refuses to do anything to acknowledge the issue with all the immigrants they allow into the US that are Muslim. Not saying Muslims are the issue in general, but the ones that believe in Islam are. Islam should be banned in the US and anyone that believes in it should be deported to Iran so they can have their traditions and their beliefs in their own country, not ours that is historically proven to be a Christian-founded nation. Islam has no place in American or modern day society due to the barbaric and immoral belief that Islam has that the Quran teaches.

The Quran accepts everything that is considered wrong in modern society. Such as Rape, lying, the marriage of younger children to older men or women, the death of those tho do not believe in Islam and many other things which are considered wrong.

So, no. There is nothing you can say that will convince anyone on this forum what you speak is true. We all know what Islam is and what it represents and you're fighting a losing battle.

 

[TheWizard]

WOW!

The amount of Islamaphobia in this topic.

Play, I am a muslim, I have read translations of the Quran, and NONE OF THEM PUSH FOR VIOLENCE. Most which have violence recommended is similar to how the US encourages violence if someone is attacking you, or if a country is attacking your country. In self-defense. Even some NON-Biased NON-Zionest media outlets have said (there is this one article by a swiss christian who studied islam) that the code of war for Muslims is this:

Never kill if there is another option (Something terrorist groups dont do)
Never Kill unarmed, women, children, or seniors (Something terrorist groups also ignore)
Never enslave the surrendered (You get the point by now I guess)
Always respect your enemy
Never destroy holy buildings, or historic texts
And so on.

Have you ever heard the story of Salah Al Din?
Richard the Lionheart lost his horse mid battle, Saladin had two Arabian horses delivered to Richard by his soldiers DURING the battle.

Also, I am not saying Islam is "The World's Most Peaceful Religion", since there are some texts which encourage violence. But Christianity and Judaism are far from it too, and so are Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, and such. Christianity encourages taking up the sword against people who are not Christians, and we saw this up until the 1700s, all religions except Christianity were banned in Christian states. Meanwhile, Mughal Empire was known to be one of the most religious-tolerant states. Ottomans were religious tolerant, with the exception of people having to pay taxes, and it was only a small tax.

Someone else mentioned, Radical Islam is a disease that needs to be cleansed. Why not Radical Christians? So Muslims are the only problem, how about the Zionists Huh? Here is the thing, Up until the crusades, Christianity blamed all the word's problems on the Jews, because they were (as stated in some versions of the bible) "People of Witchcraft", when all the Jews were either killed or expelled from the "Christendom" (During the dark ages of Medieval history, while the Muslims were stuck saving texts, researching, and spreading their religion). They had nothing to blame the problems on, the pope found an opportunity when the Turks (Again each place combines their culture with their religion, and Turks were warmongerers) started endangering the Byzantines. Thats when the crusades started, and lets not forget the sacking of Constantinople and many other Christian cities on the way there, or during the many crusades, not by Muslims (Who were protecting the Jews), but by the Invaders. Anyways, Muslims were hard enemies to defeat, so therefore, the church started saying that Muslims were ruthless violent barbarians, and everyone believed them.

And thats where we get the modern perception of Islam. Where Christians tarnished another Religions reputation, and continue to do it, and yet try to state that "They are not as violent as muslims.

Ok so I was kind of in a mad rant, but my point is, MUSLIMS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM. Extremists cherry-pick (Hmm the similarities, The media does it too), on verses from the quran which have an all out bigger meaning, and using a tiny bit of that verse, they claim that Islam encourages it.

I agree Muslims aren't the problem, but one thing is. At least right now in the US you can go do a local book store and get a quran and you can look it up online easily.

Then you have Iran which is a islamic state. Last time I checked Iran allows the marriage of children at the age of 9 with the approval of a judge. Also last time I checked the Quran actually teaches to 'Lie' to thoses who don't believe in Islam. It also dictates there be at least 3 male witnesses to rape for any action to be taken agasint a rapist, which obviously will logically never happen so rape freely in Islam.

To be honest though I don't really care who here gets offended for the things I say agasint Islam because I know history and I excelled in History at school I was personally always interested in the facts of History so I know the truths from the lies. I can say without a doubt Islam has been a abomination to mankind since its existence. I know muhammad very well who he was from when I learned about history and what he represented and the only reason he created a religion called Islam was to continue his little War Cult after death.

So, no I am not a islamaphobic if you want to play that card go join Hillary and the ignorant idiots who play sexist and race card everytime they get offended when someone says something they don't like.

I am going to speak the truth wether you like it or not. The Crusades had a chance to end Islam back during the crusades and it should have ended there and we wouldn't be dealing with ISIS and the crap we are dealing with now. If we had a president in the white house that was willing we could have a 2nd Crusade to end it for good with the technology we have now.

The only reason the Crusades happen was when Islam was attacking the Christian nations and were slaughtering 1,000s and raping people. So the pope of that time along with the Christians and a few others went on to take them out and they should have rightfully so ended it right then and there, but sadly it didn't end.

The US first war off our own soil was agasint Islamic Muslims. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War

History has proven multible of times what Islam is and I will continue to be agasint it. There is no justification for what Islam is. I just saw a video not to long ago of islamic muslims at a college here in the US threatening to kill american's.

May I add onto there that only 37 (Hundred more if you add on the paris attack) people died from Islamic Terrorism, out of all the terrorist acts and murders since 2001.

Less then 0.0065 of the over 2 billion muslims in the world support extremist causes.

People have recognized that bible texts are more violent then muslim texts.

The circumstances change as time goes for the laws, for example, back then it required stricter punishments, and whenever a punishment should have been given, it shouldn't have been given to an innocent man.

Muslims scholars believe that justice changes over time, and there are different ways of delivering it.

Most people look at Iran, Saudi, and Iraq as examples for Islamic states, when it really shouldn't. Look at countries like Morocco, ones which have adapted with Western cultures yet still have islam in them.

The first war out of US Soil was the Quasi-War, and even if you will reply with the argument that the Quasi war was not in land, then I will reply with one thing, Morocco, an islamic nation, was the first to recognize the USA, and the first Diplomatic Partner of the US.

Honestly, I am surprised you even bothered responding. Nothing will personally ever convince me Islam is a religion. Many things in history have proven this and will again in the future.

Islam has always been an anti-human, anti-freedom governmental war cult that still plagues this earth. Right now the only superpower nation that is smart enough to take action against it right now is China who was willing to ban it from their nation. I applaud China for making this move and I hope the next President of the US will do the same.

As for the Bible is worse than the Quran. I have read the Bible and I can say the Quran is far worse. The Bible nowhere supports beheadings, the marriage of children, lying, etc like the Quran does. Your Quran supports everything that is considered wrong by the standards of American Citizens and the rest of the world who have enough common sense enough to know the difference between right and wrong.

Yes, I am willing to call you out as a liar. Islam will always be an enemy of humanity yesterday, today and tomorrow. It has proven it many years ago and it will again in the future. Until World Leaders get tired enough to take it off the face of the planet which it should be so.

I am just trying to explain against the misinformation you have been provided.

I really do not have a response to your answer since it is entirely, if not most of what you said, false. Let me tell you one quick thing, if a non-insane white, very religious shooter, like the danish shooter who wrote a Christian manifesto, caused a mass shooting, most people would link those acts to acts of insanity rather then violence. Or if someone (Another white person ) shot three muslim kids in the head with the excuse of "Because they took my parking space", they will be immediately believed instead of calling those hate crimes, yet when a arab, not even muslims, shoots and kills one person, or correction, injures one person due to attacking their ethnicity, they will be called radical jihadists.

That was just to show media Bias.

Anyways, you may think that islam is a cult all you like, I have no objections against it, I have tried to educate you against it.

In my opinion it is best not to keep a radical stance, since it can really hurt you. And the fact that one small little thing (even if it is big) done by an individual is not enough to hinder a religion, since it is the individual's problem, not the religion's.

Also, about the US should be eradicating Islam, well that is against one of the most important amendments in the US. In fact, there were more bills passed (I think statewise) since some Muslims committed acts of heroism for America, Muhammad has even been honored in the supreme court as one of the most just leaders. ((I am going to take a completely random guess and say you want Trump to be president, please forgive me if I am wrong (In that case you might just lie to make me wrong (See the mind tricks)))

Let me just ask you a one thing, there are two billion plus Muslims in the world, according to you we are all plotting to destroy western democracy right?

Interesting you're taking a few of my words out of context for your own purposes and gain to promote your own stupidity. As for Muslims, I never said they were the problem now did I? I said Islam is the problem.

When it comes to misinformation it is you sir that is sorely misinformed. Islam has always been an enemy of humanity since the dawn of its own creation. Crusades, US first off-soil war, Roman Empire, etc. Many things in simple history books prove exactly what Islam is a radicalize so-called religion (which it isn't a religion) that seeks to destroy anyone who does not believe in it.

As I mentioned before many Islamic believers who have come to the US due to the immigration thanks to Obama. Have threatened the lives of the American citizen (and there is video evidence of such) for not bending to their will or believing in Islam. There have been multiple news reports about Islamic killing American citizens all across the US. Yet the Government still refuses to do anything to acknowledge the issue with all the immigrants they allow into the US that are Muslim. Not saying Muslims are the issue in general, but the ones that believe in Islam are. Islam should be banned in the US and anyone that believes in it should be deported to Iran so they can have their traditions and their beliefs in their own country, not ours that is historically proven to be a Christian-founded nation. Islam has no place in American or modern day society due to the barbaric and immoral belief that Islam has that the Quran teaches.

The Quran accepts everything that is considered wrong in modern society. Such as Rape, lying, the marriage of younger children to older men or women, the death of those tho do not believe in Islam and many other things which are considered wrong.

So, no. There is nothing you can say that will convince anyone on this forum what you speak is true. We all know what Islam is and what it represents and you're fighting a losing battle.

Ok, I won't keep disputing this. The First Off-Soil War was the Quasi-War against THE FRENCH, the First Foreign Soil War was the Barbary Wars, against PIRATES. Pirates are at war with everyone, it doesn't take a genius to know that, regardless if thy are christian, musilms, or jews.

BTW Sinon agrees with me, so your fact is already redundant, along with the starter of this thread who was muslim probably is convinced and agrees.

This is about ISIS not Islam, please keep it about ISIS, if Islam were that bad, there would be not as much followers, most of which are not ARAB.

 

[Deleted member 5665]

This is about ISIS not Islam, please keep it about ISIS, if Islam were that bad, there would be not as much followers, most of which are not ARAB.

ISIS is Islam it is a pure representation of what Islam and the Quran stands for. As I said why do you think nations like China and many other nations who have banned Islam did so? They are smart enough to know what Islam is.

Since it has lead to this I will gladly quote the very book that preaches extreme hatred towards those who do not wish or believe in it.

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

I honestly rest my case at this point. The Quran teaches exactly what ISIS is. It seeks to destroy anyone regardless of man, woman or child that does not agree with the beliefs of Islam. Islam is the only religion that has ever directly taught it's believers to openly and aggressively murder and destroy other people.

Buddhism doesn't do this.
Bible doesn't do this.
Judaism doesn't do this.

and many other so peaceful religions do not do so. Islam has been proven as an anti-humanity cult that seeks to destroy everyone.

As for anyone agreeing with you I don't honestly care. If they choose to agree with you that's fine, but there is a difference between the truth and a lie. I can promise you that the only liar here is you.

 

[Cosmic]

ISIS is Islam it is a pure representation of what Islam and the Quran stands for. As I said why do you think nations like China and many other nations who have banned Islam did so? They are smart enough to know what Islam is.

Yep, and the Westboro Baptist Church is the best representation of the Christian faith. They're so good at interpreting the Bible in the most literal way possible. 😛

The Bible literally says to execute gay people. I'm sorry, but that just speaks to the fact that these holy books all contain a bunch of BS that everyone agrees to just ignore.

 

[John]

ISIS is Islam it is a pure representation of what Islam and the Quran stands for. As I said why do you think nations like China and many other nations who have banned Islam did so? They are smart enough to know what Islam is.

Yep, and the Westboro Baptist Church is the best representation of the Christian faith. They're so good at interpreting the Bible in the most literal way possible. 😛

The Bible literally says to execute gay people. I'm sorry, but that just speaks to the fact that these holy books all contain a bunch of BS that everyone agrees to just ignore.

The Westboro Baptist Church doesn't kill anyone. Islam is drowning people in cages, cutting off heads, and stoning homosexuals in the name of Allah. In addition, they're following some form of Christianity that no one but themselves understand. From Wikipedia:

The WBC is not affiliated with any Baptist denomination, although it describes itself as following Primitive Baptist and Calvinist principles. The Baptist World Alliance and the Southern Baptist Convention (the two largest Baptist denominations) have both denounced the WBC over the years. In addition, other mainstream Christian denominations, such as the Methodist Church, Baptist Church, Reformed Church, and Evangelical Church have condemned the actions of the independent Westboro Baptist Church.

The fact of the matter is that there's one religious faith that's performing these terroristic acts; and it's Islam. We don't have issues with all other religious faiths killing people in droves for disagreeing with them. It just isn't happening. While it's a small portion of Muslims participating in these acts, with the Quran's justification, it's hard to say that the Islamic faith itself isn't to blame. If you're truly following Allah's commands, you're to be killing the non-believers. See Quran 4:29:

They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.

This is a commandment to kill non-Muslims. It's impossible to ignore that.

To address the second part of your post, here is what a leading Islamic school is saying about homosexuality:

Homosexuality is one of the most disgusting sins and greatest crimes.... It is a vile perversion that goes against sound nature, and is one of the most corrupting and hideous sins.... The punishment for homosexuality is death. Both the active and passive participants are to be killed whether or not they have previously had sexual intercourse in the context of a legal marriage.... Some of the companions of the Prophet stated that [the perpetrator] is to be burned with fire. It has also been said that he should be stoned, or thrown from a high place.

You can't come out bashing Christianity with this same thing without looking at Islam's scholars positions as well. That's a cheap shot. 😛

 

[Cosmic]

This is a commandment to kill non-Muslims. It's impossible to ignore that.

Then is this possible to ignore? 😛

'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
-Leviticus 20:13

It seems pretty straight-forward to me. You may argue that it has been superseded by the New Testament, but Muslims could also say that those passages have been superseded by later doctrine.

Christianity has had its share of inquisitions, crusades, and terror movements in the past. Do you think it was barbaric when ISIS burned a Jordanian pilot alive? Well, thousands of "heretics" were burned alive by Christians working for the Catholic church in the past. Those deaths were no less tragic. The fact that these were long ago makes no difference, because neither religion has significantly changed its doctrine since..

Inquisitors burned heretics alive under exactly the same holy documents that Christians follow today. Women were raped and cities pillaged by crusaders following the same Bible that Christians follow today. We like to think that the world has become civilized in the past 1,000 years. It hasn't. Not really.

There are still some people in this world who are just as brutal and barbaric as the Crusaders were.They are not brutal and barbaric because of their religion. They are barbarians because that is the natural state of human beings when there is no civilization. That's how people have acted for untold millennia before the ideas of western civilization and the enlightenment were developed. Those ideas were not formulated by Christians, by the way. Originally, they were formulated by Greek and Roman philosophers. Later, by Renaissance thinkers who were known for questioning of religious doctrine in general.

Proselytizing is not a solution to the world's problems. Stopping Islamic Extremism is not a matter of convincing all of the Muslims in the world to become Christians. The violence and hatred that lives within humans does not come from religion, it comes from our nature as human beings, and the only way to suppress it is to learn the value of the lives of fellow humans, not to convert to a different religion which agrees on 90% of things anyway.

I don't really understand why Christians hate Muslims so much, to be honest. Both religions agree on most things, and worship the same god. If there really is a God, I wonder what he'd think to see that people fight wars over how to properly worship him? I think he would be pretty disappointed, to be honest. Instead of focusing on converting believers, y'all are instead focusing on converting people who already believe in God to believe in him the same way you do. You spend all this time crafting these wonderful arguments that atheists can turn against both of you to argue that religion, no matter its form, is a bad thing. And besides, isn't being Christian about not judging other people? If some random Muslim isn't hurting anyone, then he will be judged at the gates of heaven, not on Fox News. 😛

 

[John]

This is a commandment to kill non-Muslims. It's impossible to ignore that.

Then is this possible to ignore? 😛

If you're ignoring parts of a religion, you're not really following it--you're following what you want to follow.

'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
-Leviticus 20:13

It seems pretty straight-forward to me. You may argue that it has been superseded by the New Testament, but Muslims could also say that those passages have been superseded by later doctrine.

What later doctrine?

Christianity has had its share of inquisitions, crusades, and terror movements in the past. Do you think it was barbaric when ISIS burned a Jordanian pilot alive? Well, thousands of "heretics" were burned alive by Christians working for the Catholic church in the past. Those deaths were no less tragic. The fact that these were long ago makes no difference, because neither religion has significantly changed its doctrine since..

Inquisitors burned heretics alive under exactly the same holy documents that Christians follow today. Women were raped and cities pillaged by crusaders following the same Bible that Christians follow today. We like to think that the world has become civilized in the past 1,000 years. It hasn't. Not really.

There are still some people in this world who are just as brutal and barbaric as the Crusaders were.They are not brutal and barbaric because of their religion. They are barbarians because that is the natural state of human beings when there is no civilization. That's how people have acted for untold millennia before the ideas of western civilization and the enlightenment were developed. Those ideas were not formulated by Christians, by the way. Originally, they were formulated by Greek and Roman philosophers. Later, by Renaissance thinkers who were known for questioning of religious doctrine in general.

You're making a flawed argument: it's one that people are violent. I never said that people aren't violent. I said, however, that the Muslim faith encourages violence. Hidden and I have both argued in favor of that, and we've both quite simply made our points clear. You're attempting to bring Christianity into this, which isn't a debate: it's a shouting contest. We're not debating Christianity; we're debating Islam.

Proselytizing is not a solution to the world's problems. Stopping Islamic Extremism is not a matter of convincing all of the Muslims in the world to become Christians. The violence and hatred that lives within humans does not come from religion, it comes from our nature as human beings, and the only way to suppress it is to learn the value of the lives of fellow humans, not to convert to a different religion which agrees on 90% of things anyway.

I'm not sure what any of this has to do with this debate; however, I nor Hidden have said anything about converting people to Christianity. That's not what we're debating: we're debating whether or not Islam is a violent religion.

I don't really understand why Christians hate Muslims so much, to be honest. Both religions agree on most things, and worship the same god. If there really is a God, I wonder what he'd think to see that people fight wars over how to properly worship him? I think he would be pretty disappointed, to be honest. Instead of focusing on converting believers, y'all are instead focusing on converting people who already believe in God to believe in him the same way you do. You spend all this time crafting these wonderful arguments that atheists can turn against both of you to argue that religion, no matter its form, is a bad thing. And besides, isn't being Christian about not judging other people? If some random Muslim isn't hurting anyone, then he will be judged at the gates of heaven, not on Fox News. 😛

The bolded part is something that I find to be completely untrue. The Bible's most important prophet was Jesus; who taught of love, mercy, and kindness. The Quran's most important prophet was Mohammed; who had a 9-year-old girl (named Aisha bint Abu Bakr) as one of his wives. There is a fundamental difference between those two Gods, IMO.

The part in italic is also untrue. I'm not judging people--I'm pointing out facts in a religion.

I also want to say this: stop bringing Christianity into this as another "violent" religion. This debate has nothing to do with Christianity, or my Christian beliefs: it's about Islam.

 

[Cosmic]

If you're ignoring parts of a religion, you're not really following it--you're following what you want to follow.

Then why aren't you following Leviticus? 😛

You're making a flawed argument: it's one that people are violent. I never said that people aren't violent. I said, however, that the Muslim faith encourages violence. Hidden and I have both argued in favor of that, and we've both quite simply made our points clear. You're attempting to bring Christianity into this, which isn't a debate: it's a shouting contest. We're not debating Christianity; we're debating Islam.

The problem, though, is that while Islam does encourage violence, it does not encourage violence any more than Christianity does, as evidenced by the past actions of the Catholic Church under exactly the same Bible as used by Christians today. If you are going to criticize "those people over there," you have to also look at yourself to see whether the same criticism applies to you. Otherwise, you don't have any grounds to criticize at all.

It is clear to anyone that there is more violence in the Middle East than there is in the West, and it is also clear that Christianity is the dominant religion in the West, while Islam is in the east. However, correlation is not causation. The Middle East has a lot of problems, which are more due to geographical, political, and historical reasons than religious. I think it is much most likely that ISIS is due to rampant poverty and the power vacuum created by the Arab Spring. They use religion as one of their main "propaganda points," true, but more often than not, people are motivated by the lust for power, money, and sex than the wish to worship a god.

The bolded part is something that I find to be completely untrue. The Bible's most important prophet was Jesus; who taught of love, mercy, and kindness. The Quran's most important prophet was Mohammed; who had a 9-year-old girl (named Aisha bint Abu Bakr) as one of his wives. There is a fundamental difference between those two Gods, IMO.

Both religions follow the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacoob. Judaism is the original religion. Christianity branches off from that around 0 AD, and Islam branched off at around 1,000 AD. Christianity has also since branched off into Protestantism and Catholicism (around 1500 AD), and Muslim has branched off into Suni and Shia. They all worship the same god though; that's a matter of historical fact.

 

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Then why aren't you following Leviticus? 😛

I can actually provide insight on this subject. The Old Testament of the Bible derives from Judaism which is what the Jewish people follow. Christianity follows the New Testament which is about Jesus Christ.

The New Testament was made specifically for Christianity since it is about gentiles (Non-Jews) since gentiles had no way to enter heaven. Jesus teaches exactly as follows. Not to Judge, To Forgive, To Pray for those who hate you and mistreat you, etc. Nowhere in the New Testament can you find a verse that declares Christianity to attack any form of a non-believer, homosexual, etc because it isn't Christianity place to do anything but preach about Jesus to the rest of the gentile race not to judge.

Islam is all about judging others and condemning those who refuse to believe in it to death. Christianity is about peace through Jesus who gave people a chance to enter Heaven when we had none. That is the difference.

Christianity is about freedom of choice not by force.
Islam is about force and denies any form of freedom of choice.