Opinion: The Qur'an Burner

[Gimgak]

Christianity has taken a role of a more laid back religion, the vatican themselves know its the best way; their time in power is over. The Muslim religion is simply at the same level as when Christianity was in power and as such has such extremist laws. I can safely say that in time the Muslim religion will take a step back in these countries just like Christianity has in Europe.

And about what Mr. Jones is doing; It's ignorant, its the same as racists who were apposed to black children going to school with their kids, or drinking from the same fountain. Are you gonna say those people weren't/aren't stupid?

You show complete ignorance by defining Christianity as the Vatican. The Pope is part of the Catholic denomination, where I am a Protestant. You can't just say Catholic = Christianity. Your analogy also shows ignorance; he is voicing a strong opinion towards Islam, and even known Christian philosophers would disagree with Islam. It isn't being stupid, or comparable with racism. Also, it's one person voicing his opinion, where racism has been institutionalized in the past, where large groups of people were racist, not just one person.

Sure, burning a bunch of books isn't stupid or ignorant. Pretty sure god hates fags and white nationalists also just vioce their opinions strongly. Doesn't matter if 1 person or not, one person can still be racist, and one can also be ignorant.

 

[David]

Sure, burning a bunch of books isn't stupid or ignorant. Pretty sure god hates fags and white nationalists also just vioce their opinions strongly. Doesn't matter if 1 person or not, one person can still be racist, and one can also be ignorant.

So much for a debate when the rebuttal isn't sound or even elementary :sarcasm:

No actually, your ignorance is showing again, this time about the Christian God. God loves everyone, and therefore does not hate.

And yes, burning books isn't ignorant in contrast. Coal is burnt far more than books, and the effects on the environment isn't going to stop coal producers. Are you saying the electricity you survive on is the result of human ignorance? Feel lucky you have electricity, where many third world countries cannot pass electricity to small towns.

Burning books is the least of ignorance around the world.

Doesn't matter if 1 person or not, one person can still be racist, and one can also be ignorant.

Empty statement so it would be pointless to debate that.

Racism and ignorance are not interchangeable, and therefore cannot be used as your justification. Racism can be used in a non-negative manner, eg. Black people are good at basketball. Yes, it's racist and stereotyping, but have I insulted the black race? Where was the negativity?

1 person as opposed to a group of people are not interchangeable. People don't say Truman killed the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, they say the Americans as a group(concurrently, the bomb), even though it was Truman's orders and his ignorance.

Again, I don't support the pastor's actions, but in no way is the final judgment of his actions are unintelligent or ignorant. It is just a perception of the event, manipulated by the media.

I'm sure if prior to this event, if you were his friend, and then he told you about what he was going to do, you wouldn't say he is stupid or whatnot. You'd understand why he is doing it, you'd understand on what grounds he is doing it, and you'd understand the effects of Islam on the Christian society it has. If you don't understand the pastor, then that just shows your own ignorance and little intelligence. As bystanders, we can only infer, but never make a justified judgment.

 

[Gimgak]

You're right, I don't understand this pastor. I also don't understand the nazi's who burned any books that were against them. Maybe its just me who's crazy, not them.

 

[David]

You're right, I don't understand this pastor. I also don't understand the nazi's who burned any books that were against them. Maybe its just me who's crazy, not them.

I honestly find it pointless to have a sound debate when the rebuttals are diminishing, one after the other. Have a good day :roll:

 

[Watch Me Sink]

He didn't call it off, he just postponed it. It's really pitiful how much support this guy has (not support from people who say he has the right to burn them, but from people who agree with his ideology).

I, as a Christian, know that the Islam way is wrong, so that now makes me what, an idiot?

You know? Can you also tell me how old I'll be when I die, and tomorrow's lotto numbers?

I wouldn't call Christianity a very laid back religion. Christianity is the reason that there aren't civil rights for homosexuals in the USA and other developed countries. You could argue that not all homophobia is related to religion, though.

Without Christianity, there would be no reason for people to move to the (then) "New World." America wouldn't exist, or at least in the same form.

 

[Gimgak]

dotDavid, I'll just say that blind faith when it comes to anything is wrong.

 

[EasyPete]

Personally all religions should be respected and none of there holy books should be burned.

 

[katy perry is hot]

dotDavid, I'll just say that blind faith when it comes to anything is wrong.

:great:

 

[Deleted member 1609]

I wouldn't call Christianity a very laid back religion. Christianity is the reason that there aren't civil rights for homosexuals in the USA and other developed countries. You could argue that not all homophobia is related to religion, though.

Without Christianity, there would be no reason for people to move to the (then) "New World." America wouldn't exist, or at least in the same form.

... and most Americans would be living in Europe. I fail to see how anybody loses in that situation.

 

[David]

dotDavid, I'll just say that blind faith when it comes to anything is wrong.

I don't get your point. I openly said that I don't agree with the pastor on objective moral grounds, but in no way will I support Islam, religiously. At least with faith, I can work for something, have answers for and have objective morales. I assume you're an atheist, and I doubt you can answer any of the questions that I can answer religiously (eg. before the beginning of the universe; the purpose of the universe; objective moral beliefs; explanations of science "facts").

But then again, it would be pointless having a proper, sensible and mature debate when the rebuttals (if they can even be considered as rebuttals) are diminishing one after the other.

 

[Watch Me Sink]

Europe would probably be overpopulated.

Plus, I'd probably be overweight from all the cannolis and Italian cookies I'd eat. The nearest (decent) Italian bakery is a good 30 miles from my house, and if it was any closer I'd surely have to exercise more.

 

[Cosmic]

Europe would probably be overpopulated.

Plus, I'd probably be overweight from all the cannolis and Italian cookies I'd eat. The nearest (decent) Italian bakery is a good 30 miles from my house, and if it was any closer I'd surely have to exercise more.

German Chocolate > Life.

 

[Watch Me Sink]

Ah, haven't had German chocolate in a while, but have had Spanish and French chocolate.

I support a topic split on European delicacies.

 

[David]

He didn't call it off, he just postponed it. It's really pitiful how much support this guy has (not support from people who say he has the right to burn them, but from people who agree with his ideology).

I, as a Christian, know that the Islam way is wrong, so that now makes me what, an idiot?

You know? Can you also tell me how old I'll be when I die, and tomorrow's lotto numbers?

Yeah, I know, religiously, Islam is wrong (no offense, but same from a Muslim's perspective, vice-versa; no one would disagree, otherwise they'd just be a theist, rather a certain form of theism). However, your two following examples are highly unrelated. I'm not here to question God, or my beliefs. I'm not in an authoritative position to question God in any way; again, any religion would say the same. But they way you phrased that now makes me an idiot...

Also, age is just a number, the known number system was created by humans, and therefore you take a certain understanding of the number system. 1 kilogram was formed from the iridium stone block which was internationally recognized as 1kg. But we don't know what 1 equals, we just assume by convention that equals 1 kilo, so any thing where you're going to "guess" through numbers is flawed in itself by human convention.

As for the lotto number, how do I know there will be a tomorrow, or a tomorrow for you? Philosophically, there isn't really a tomorrow, rather a "later event", but it's all happening simultaneously. Someone 100 years later can say in the past, such and such happened, eg. say you were 2 days ahead of me, and said that I made this post. I am here right now guessing what will happen next, but you, being two days ahead of me would already know what's happened, so have I actually looked into the future? No, but if you step back and look at the bigger picture, everything has happened simultaneously. I don't know what's going to happen tomorrow, that's if tomorrow actually happens, but take this philosophically, not literally. 🙂

 

[Gimgak]

David, I haven't been criticizing the church here, and I have no problem with faith. I've been disagreeing with the fact that you believe what this pastor is doing isn't ignorant. There are many smarter ways to protest, all he will succeed in doing is endangering our troops. Most would probably consider that stupid.

And I'm agnostic 😉

 

[katy perry is hot]

Europe would probably be overpopulated.

Plus, I'd probably be overweight from all the cannolis and Italian cookies I'd eat. The nearest (decent) Italian bakery is a good 30 miles from my house, and if it was any closer I'd surely have to exercise more.

Not really, because in Europe the normal portions are 10x smaller than a normal portion here. When my relatives from Scotland come they are always like "Ya crazy buoy, ya cahnt ate daht oohle stok can ye neow"? referring to like a 6 ounce steak at outback. Same with my friend's English grandparents, they flip out at like a typical American hamburger because it's like 5x larger than what they eat.

And don't even get me started on Italians. American Italian restaurants are complete bullshit... it's just gigantic portions of pasta... senseless and unhealthy, but the American way. Hamburger tortellini, just like in Italy.. not.

 

[David]

David, I haven't been criticizing the church here, and I have no problem with faith. I've been disagreeing with the fact that you believe what this pastor is doing isn't ignorant. There are many smarter ways to protest, all he will succeed in doing is endangering our troops lives. Most would probably consider that stupid.

And I'm agnostic 😉

As I said recently, a few posts up, he isn't really endangering troops; it's the media. The media has chosen to broadcast this worldwide, but if they hadn't, this topic would not have even been made, or if so, people wouldn't be so "passionately" 🙂P) rambling along about him. Remove the media = removes danger. The logic should be as clear as day. He is ignorant on the moral grounds, but I don't think he is ignorant in a sense that he, himself, is endangering troops; it's the forces of the media.

 

[katy perry is hot]

David, I haven't been criticizing the church here, and I have no problem with faith. I've been disagreeing with the fact that you believe what this pastor is doing isn't ignorant. There are many smarter ways to protest, all he will succeed in doing is endangering our troops lives. Most would probably consider that stupid.

And I'm agnostic 😉

As I said recently, a few posts up, he isn't really endangering troops; it's the media. The media has chosen to broadcast this worldwide, but if they hadn't, this topic would not have even been made, or if so, people wouldn't be so "passionately" 🙂P) rambling along about him. Remove the media = removes danger. The logic should be as clear as day. He is ignorant on the moral grounds, but I don't think he is ignorant in a sense that he, himself, is endangering troops; it's the forces of the media.

Yeah but if he weren't doing what he's doing the media wouldn't even come into play here :rofl:

 

[Gimgak]

I agree with that. They've blown it way out of proportion. It's even caused a copycat.

 

[David]

David, I haven't been criticizing the church here, and I have no problem with faith. I've been disagreeing with the fact that you believe what this pastor is doing isn't ignorant. There are many smarter ways to protest, all he will succeed in doing is endangering our troops lives. Most would probably consider that stupid.

And I'm agnostic 😉

As I said recently, a few posts up, he isn't really endangering troops; it's the media. The media has chosen to broadcast this worldwide, but if they hadn't, this topic would not have even been made, or if so, people wouldn't be so "passionately" 🙂P) rambling along about him. Remove the media = removes danger. The logic should be as clear as day. He is ignorant on the moral grounds, but I don't think he is ignorant in a sense that he, himself, is endangering troops; it's the forces of the media.

Yeah but if he weren't doing what he's doing the media wouldn't even come into play here :rofl:

It's still the media's choice to broadcast it 'internationally'.

Also, all you are saying relies on the assumption that troops "may" get hurt as a result of this. You don't have evidence that they will get hurt as a result of this; it's all in theory and assumptions can be blown out of proportion.