Watch Me Sink
Madly Diligent
Yet you still continue to backseat moderate, and insult the administration. :lol:FrightSite said:
Vegetarians vs Meat Eaters
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Here's my way of thinking;
Humans are animals. We are part of the animal kingdom. The rules clearly state (and have from the start) "survival of the fittest". If i'm more fit than what I eat, then it just means i'm doing my correct animistic job to make the world turn.
I recently learned in my psychology class the difference between "needs" (biological factors needed to continue survival) and "wants" (objects or ideas that make living more enjoyable). We also learned that there is NOT a clear line between the two, and different people see things differently and can effectively argue for their side, there can be NO WINNER.
In general activists will always been seen as wild, non-logical people, so don't let people's comments here change anyone's mind. I'll admit I can get very activistic views on a variety of topics, and that it can block me from seeing the logical reasoning behind opponent's thoughts. Bottom-line is, people have always been concerned with keeping our home planet stable, however I personally don't see getting rid of meat as something that will be a long term positive effect on nature or the human race in general.
Humans are animals. We are part of the animal kingdom. The rules clearly state (and have from the start) "survival of the fittest". If i'm more fit than what I eat, then it just means i'm doing my correct animistic job to make the world turn.
I recently learned in my psychology class the difference between "needs" (biological factors needed to continue survival) and "wants" (objects or ideas that make living more enjoyable). We also learned that there is NOT a clear line between the two, and different people see things differently and can effectively argue for their side, there can be NO WINNER.
In general activists will always been seen as wild, non-logical people, so don't let people's comments here change anyone's mind. I'll admit I can get very activistic views on a variety of topics, and that it can block me from seeing the logical reasoning behind opponent's thoughts. Bottom-line is, people have always been concerned with keeping our home planet stable, however I personally don't see getting rid of meat as something that will be a long term positive effect on nature or the human race in general.
el canadiano
Paragon
Well having said that, do you know how meat is produced these days with the factory farm and all that? Now, I'm not a vegetarian myself (I do vaguely support the cause, but I can't because of allergies and whatnot), but I am concerned now that I've watched Food, Inc., which talks about the legal side of food, the unsustainability of factory farming, and there were some more food-related topics. A factory farm is inhumaine.
Think about having to live in a crowded area, where you walk around on your own manure, since you don't have room to pee. All you're fed is steroids to make you big and fat and plump, and corn, since it's so cheap due to the American government subsidizing production. I also forgot to mention that the steroids make your boobs so huge that you can barely support yourself. After two weeks after you're born, you are taken to cages where you get slaughtered, not by humans, but by a huge-ass conveyor belt, which sometimes can't always be cleaned at all. Also, the workers at those slaughterhouses are often illegal immigrants. That's a chickens' life, whether you like it or not. Obviously, some chickens are humanely raised, like halal or organic meat.
Don't get me wrong, meat has its share of important, but once in a while, get the veggies in.
Think about having to live in a crowded area, where you walk around on your own manure, since you don't have room to pee. All you're fed is steroids to make you big and fat and plump, and corn, since it's so cheap due to the American government subsidizing production. I also forgot to mention that the steroids make your boobs so huge that you can barely support yourself. After two weeks after you're born, you are taken to cages where you get slaughtered, not by humans, but by a huge-ass conveyor belt, which sometimes can't always be cleaned at all. Also, the workers at those slaughterhouses are often illegal immigrants. That's a chickens' life, whether you like it or not. Obviously, some chickens are humanely raised, like halal or organic meat.
Don't get me wrong, meat has its share of important, but once in a while, get the veggies in.
Honestly spoken, I don't watch those shows for that reason really. If I knew what I eat, i'd have to grow my own food. Bliss is beautiful, long as it tastes good and doesn't make me sick, I couldn't care less if it was made of snails or worms 🙂
FrightSite
Familiar Face
Kirisute Gomen said:
When the administration is corrupt, it needs to be spoken off...sorry you're too blind to see the truth.
Lee Lawson
Seasoned Veteran
I don't see a problem with eating meat. It's perfectly normal and healthy.
FrightSite
Familiar Face
Leo Ghost said:
You confuse your 'survival of the fittest' with paying someone to use TECHNOLOGY to kill an animal. You wouldn't survive very well against a cow or what not without technology.
You also confuse the FACT that we do not NEED meat with fallacy. It's nothing to do with what people think. There's some things in this world that are undeniable truths. And one of those things is that we (the majority of the human population) do not need to consume animal products in order to survive.
Given that animal agriculture is one of the top causes of pollution on this planet, of course it's going to have a positive effect if we stop it. It means no more animal sludge in travines, no more gasses that come from animal agriculture, and it also means less cancer risk in the human population. Places where little animal products are consumed have lower rates of many diseases and ailments associated with consumption of animal products.
FrightSite
Familiar Face
Lawson+ said:
It would be wise to read a thread before making a blanket statement you cannot back up.
http://www.healthandgoodness.com/articl ... -meat.html
It's common knowledge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKYPSPUQ ... r_embedded
An example of one of many people who have become healthy by cutting out meat and other stuff. Their cholesterol levels are a lot better, lost weight, etc.
http://www.emagazine.com/view/?142
http://www.heimat-fuer-tiere.de/english ... sick.shtml (it has it's sources at the bottom so don't claim it's biased)
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/20 ... column.asp
Etc, etc etc.
Also, normal only because you're raised to believe so. The majority of the world used to think it was 'normal' to persecute gays, see women as second class citizens and enslave coloured people... :great:
Normality doesn't = right.
CyberFreak
Legendary Typer
When members do not respect other members opinions and are aggressive towards other members then we act. If you are aggressive and not accepting other people may think differently to you, of course you are going to be called an idiot or a jackass. You bring it on yourself. You act like an idiot and you will be called one. If you respect other people, you won't be insulted as they will respect you back.
Now why don't you tone it down a bit and maybe just accept that your opinion is just that... An opinion. People think different things and that is the point of the forum. No ones opinion is more right then anyone else. Improve your attitude and people will be nicer to you and you will get to keep posting in this section. Insulting us for your own actions is pointless and getting very tedious now. This is your final warning now. You have been given many chances now. RESPECT other people and their opinions!!!!
Now why don't you tone it down a bit and maybe just accept that your opinion is just that... An opinion. People think different things and that is the point of the forum. No ones opinion is more right then anyone else. Improve your attitude and people will be nicer to you and you will get to keep posting in this section. Insulting us for your own actions is pointless and getting very tedious now. This is your final warning now. You have been given many chances now. RESPECT other people and their opinions!!!!
FrightSite
Familiar Face
Ok then, accept the opinion of human murderers....*rolls eyes*
After all it's their opinion that humans should be killed, be it for food or not.
Doesn't work that way. And I'm not the one who told people to shutup. I just corrected people's fallacies, but as usual meat eaters get all defensive because they don't like the fact that someone is telling them how it is. And as usual the meat eater moderators defend their precious meat eating buddies. It's strange really, people get called murderers for abortion but the mods say nothing. But once it's something they themselves do, they don't like it.
Lol, final warning. You've just proven how corrupt the moderation is. CMM didn't get told off, nor did yamiyo, or the others who insulted me...you know what's even funnier? I insulted nobody. Just insulted their opinions. Yet I'm made out to be the bad guy. Funny that.
XD @ gave cheek. LOL, the negative comments are hilarious. Some people really can't hack the truth, can they? God forbid they might be WRONG!...
After all it's their opinion that humans should be killed, be it for food or not.
Doesn't work that way. And I'm not the one who told people to shutup. I just corrected people's fallacies, but as usual meat eaters get all defensive because they don't like the fact that someone is telling them how it is. And as usual the meat eater moderators defend their precious meat eating buddies. It's strange really, people get called murderers for abortion but the mods say nothing. But once it's something they themselves do, they don't like it.
Lol, final warning. You've just proven how corrupt the moderation is. CMM didn't get told off, nor did yamiyo, or the others who insulted me...you know what's even funnier? I insulted nobody. Just insulted their opinions. Yet I'm made out to be the bad guy. Funny that.
XD @ gave cheek. LOL, the negative comments are hilarious. Some people really can't hack the truth, can they? God forbid they might be WRONG!...
CyberFreak
Legendary Typer
As i said you brought it all on yourself by acting in the manner you have been. Why do you get people give you abuse and while 99% of the other members get no abuse whatsoever? Have a look round. Do people look like they like you and respect you? They don't like you or respect you and your "My opinion is right and everyone else is wrong" attitude is annoying them and provoking them.
Your attitude is absolutely disgusting in my opinion.
Your attitude is absolutely disgusting in my opinion.
FrightSite
Familiar Face
Diddums.
Do I look like I give a rats ass if I get respected?
Of course I'm right. I'm alive. I'm living proof that eating meat and stuff does not = survival. So why do you think I'm wrong when people here have claimed that you need animal products to survive when they don't?
And your inept moderation ability is despicable. You claim people shouldn't break the rules, yet you do not enforce them. People can dislike my opinion all they want but there's no need to insult (but you did nothing about that of course). And the funny thing is, mods go on about being on topic but you're the one whose dragged it off topic. Mods never do follow what they preach it seems.
If anything I'm the only one here who hasn't insulted anyone or resorted to one line statements without facts to back it up.
The other members don't get abuse because they're all in the same boat, the meat eaters boat. I'm the only vegan here so it's natural for me to get abuse because people don't like being told to change their lifestyle even if it's better for them and others.
Do I look like I give a rats ass if I get respected?
Of course I'm right. I'm alive. I'm living proof that eating meat and stuff does not = survival. So why do you think I'm wrong when people here have claimed that you need animal products to survive when they don't?
And your inept moderation ability is despicable. You claim people shouldn't break the rules, yet you do not enforce them. People can dislike my opinion all they want but there's no need to insult (but you did nothing about that of course). And the funny thing is, mods go on about being on topic but you're the one whose dragged it off topic. Mods never do follow what they preach it seems.
If anything I'm the only one here who hasn't insulted anyone or resorted to one line statements without facts to back it up.
The other members don't get abuse because they're all in the same boat, the meat eaters boat. I'm the only vegan here so it's natural for me to get abuse because people don't like being told to change their lifestyle even if it's better for them and others.
FrightSite said:
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People have a choice whether they eat meat or not, I couldn't give two shits what studies like that say.
People say smoking is bad for you etc which I agree with though my Nan has smoked for 50 years and my Great Aunts did the same (ok they have stopped now, though they still smoked for 50+ years) all of them are alive bar one, and they are all in their 70's/80's. A friend of my Nan's on the other hand never smoked and died before 70. 🙁. It proves just because scientists say things may cause health problems doesn't mean they will sustain life.
Also meat is fine in moderation, excess red meat supposedly increases the chances of cancer but as I stated above, just because scientists say something increases the risk doesn't mean it will necessarily happen.
Oh and I agree with your point about the conditions animals live in etc... but that's not my responsibility or problem. If the food tastes nice, I'm happy.
Lee Lawson
Seasoned Veteran
FrightSite you going to need to accept the fact that other people have a different opinion from yours. Your sometimes going to need to accept also that there will be no right answer, so just accept that fact.
Ok, I've read the whole 5 previous pages and here's my two penneth!
I've never been a big meat eater so when I met my husband, who has been a vegetarian from the age of 5, it was not such a big deal....For the first two years of my marriage I didn't touch meat at all, since then I have gone back to certain meals containing meat.
Here's a brief outline of the situation....my hubby decided himself at the age of 5 to not eat meat, the 7 other members of his family all did, he sees it as barbaric chewing through muscles and sinews and is against killing defenceless animals. My hubby does not particularly like vegetables, hates lentils and pulses and won't eat soya products or tofu. His diet consists of some vegetables (potato, cauliflower, carrots, peas, turnip, onions) cheese, pasta, rice, salad and bread. He is a real vegetarian and not the type who eats chicken or fish, there is another name for those people, Pescatarian. At the age of 37 he had a double heart attack, and thank god he survived it!.
He never preaches to me or anyone else on what we should or should not eat, he is happy to sit among people while they eat their meaty meal, occasionally he will stir fry me some chicken (although I have to chop it) The only thing he asks is that no-one tries to feed him meat!
I appear to have arrived a little too late to prove a point to FrightSite directly, given the chance, as a vegetarian he would disagree with many of your points, not so much on your beliefs, you are entitled to them and are correct, but on your hound dog and aggressive attitude towards others who dare to think differently.......
I am proud of my husbands beliefs, it's the one thing throughout his life he's 100% stuck to, and shouting across the room to me right now he's saying "it's idiots like him that give us vegetarians a bad name" So NO it's not just us "Meat eaters"!
I've never been a big meat eater so when I met my husband, who has been a vegetarian from the age of 5, it was not such a big deal....For the first two years of my marriage I didn't touch meat at all, since then I have gone back to certain meals containing meat.
Here's a brief outline of the situation....my hubby decided himself at the age of 5 to not eat meat, the 7 other members of his family all did, he sees it as barbaric chewing through muscles and sinews and is against killing defenceless animals. My hubby does not particularly like vegetables, hates lentils and pulses and won't eat soya products or tofu. His diet consists of some vegetables (potato, cauliflower, carrots, peas, turnip, onions) cheese, pasta, rice, salad and bread. He is a real vegetarian and not the type who eats chicken or fish, there is another name for those people, Pescatarian. At the age of 37 he had a double heart attack, and thank god he survived it!.
He never preaches to me or anyone else on what we should or should not eat, he is happy to sit among people while they eat their meaty meal, occasionally he will stir fry me some chicken (although I have to chop it) The only thing he asks is that no-one tries to feed him meat!
I appear to have arrived a little too late to prove a point to FrightSite directly, given the chance, as a vegetarian he would disagree with many of your points, not so much on your beliefs, you are entitled to them and are correct, but on your hound dog and aggressive attitude towards others who dare to think differently.......
I am proud of my husbands beliefs, it's the one thing throughout his life he's 100% stuck to, and shouting across the room to me right now he's saying "it's idiots like him that give us vegetarians a bad name" So NO it's not just us "Meat eaters"!
I've missed some stuff I see. 😛
I apologize for the late response.
What you've said there is interesting... do you have any proof to back up such a massive claim? Cause it's kinda hard for me to imagine that "every single one of them" doesn't add any steroids, or antibodies, or anything of that sort.
First off, the majority of small farmers (maybe not "every single one"), but the ones that supply the main line of produce for most countries do indeed use steroids.
There are some standards that they must meet before they can sell their food to the people of a country you know, and steroids allow them to meet those standards.
Besides, you have only mentioned red meat... what about Pork? Or Chicken?
dentist said:
I apologize for the late response.
What you've said there is interesting... do you have any proof to back up such a massive claim? Cause it's kinda hard for me to imagine that "every single one of them" doesn't add any steroids, or antibodies, or anything of that sort.
First off, the majority of small farmers (maybe not "every single one"), but the ones that supply the main line of produce for most countries do indeed use steroids.
There are some standards that they must meet before they can sell their food to the people of a country you know, and steroids allow them to meet those standards.
Besides, you have only mentioned red meat... what about Pork? Or Chicken?
Joshua Farrell
FP's Housekeeper
Oaerkae said:
I probably then live in a town where the majority doesnt fit. 🙂 Otherwise I would agree with you.
Oh, and the massive claim you are asking, isn't massive, just the fact that I know most of those that raise beef cattle in my town.
dentist said:
I can understand that. As I said, I don't think all small farmers use steroids and such, but the majority do.
The reason I said "massive", is because there are an awful lot of small farmers, if you claim that "all" small farmers -as you did, are natural, and don't use preservatives and such, that is a pretty massive claim.
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