Apple vs. Android/Other

[Jordan]

Apparently it wasn't clear but I was only directing that comment at the people in this thread especially those who argue then flip out after being disagreed with. I know enough to know not everyone is like that but a lot of the people in this thread that support Android are not doing themselves any favors by throwing around insults and having a temper tantrum when disagreed with. It just makes you look bad and encourages people to ignore what you have to say because of the poor behavior. It just illustrates that you aren't open to the possibility that you are wrong and you can't have a decent debate if you aren't open to the possibility you could be wrong as well as right.

You realize you are more discriptive about iPhonefreak than any andriod user here right?

I said that my previous post was my last, but since you quoted me, it would be rude of me not to reply.

Again Angel has proven several points. +rep.

 

[Venom]

Why argue over a make of phone, you'd think it was some kind of religion. 😱

 

[Jordan]

Why argue over a make of phone, you'd think it was some kind of religion. 😱

That is what I had said in my very first post 😛

 

[iPhonefreak]

I said that my previous post was my last, but since you quoted me, it would be rude of me not to reply.

What happened to number 1? You jumped right into number 2.

2) Well it is true, the OS is buggy and cheap!

Say it with me, ALL software has bugs. ALL of it. I can say this because whether its iOS 4-5 on my iPhone, Android Donut 1.6 on my husband's G1 - Jellybean 4.1.2+ on my S2, Galaxy Tab 7+ and Note 2, BlackBerry OS 5-6.1 on my 9630 and 9700, Windows Mobile 5-6.1 on my HTC Hermes and Symbian S60 on my LG Xenon.. you name it, I've used them all, trust me, they ALL have more than their fair share of bugs. Why do you think we have these miraculous things called updates? Here's a hint, it isn't just for a fifth row of icons.

Last time I checked, we pay for the devices that run the O/S, not the O/S itself, so in that regard, both iOS and Android are cheap since they don't cost anything. We only pay for Windows O/S's for the PC. That being said, your argument is bunk.

3) Poor arguments? this thread has been far from poor arguments, by either side.

I wasn't talking about this thread, just the arguments commonly used by iOS users against Android in this debate. Do you really think that this debate is exclusive to FP only? Regarding the arguments, I've already addressed them in another post, so I won't bother with reiterating them since I really wasn't trying to convince or debate anyone and just wanted to leave my thoughts on this topic and move on.

I have not ignored or buried my head in the sand.

Who said you did? I certainly didn't. You seem to be taking this very personal. I guess it is true what they say, a hit dog will bark. If it doesn't apply to you, then why are you so defensive?

Please realize that the Earth does not revolve around you. I only mentioned you once, and that was to say that I use the device I prefer the most, much like you do. That's it. That was the first and only time I specifically referred to and mentioned you at all.

When I said evangelical iUsers, I meant exactly that. Not you specifically, but as a whole.. so please, get over yourself.

"Us iDevice users do not steep as low as android users, as really thats what it is. We are the upper hand.

The pillow talk you have with Siri, should really stay between you and Siri. A true gentleman doesn't kiss and tell. 😉

4)Android does not have 8 cores. Android is a software, not hardware.

I never said that Android was hardware or had 8 cores.. let's rewind the tape and see what I said shall we?

Case in point, one person mentioned that some Android devices have 8 cores now..

Oh snap! I mean uh, guess I should say Ouch. You really showed me hunh? Android is a software, not hardware.. Well, consider me educated. </sarcasm>

5) There is absolutely nothing on an S4 that can utilize all 8 cores. Nothing.

I never said that the S4 could utilize all 8 cores, hell, I didn't even mention the S4 in my post, that said, the extra cores kick in when it is needed.. when being the operative term of course. Just because there may not be anything to fully utilize them NOW, doesn't mean that there won't be in the future.

That's the great thing about Android. Flexibility. OEM's can put out powerful devices now, in anticipation for the type of apps and features that will eventually use it. Until then, users are free to multi-task the hell out of their devices. For example, I can play Playstation, and N64 games via emulator on my devices and then switch between them and Asphalt 7 while streaming from iHeartRadio and running tTorrent to download a few episodes of Burn Notice without any lag. I also use multi-window mode for each of these apps as well. So if I wanted to, I could run Skype while doing any of these including browsing the web, using GPS and watching movies or tv shows on Netflix. This is not just an example, this is only what I did on Sunday night.

I actually like having all of that power to do what I ever I want with my device and not having to worry about lag, freezing or my device crashing and still have more power to spare.

I only said that if you don't need it, then don't use a device that has it, but who are you to dictate what someone else needs? Just use what you like and stay in your lane, this doesn't just apply to you, but everyone in general. That's all I've been saying from the get-go.

6)attitude lies?! You gotta be kidding me...Most people I have ever gotten into an argument with are android users and they started it, like here.

I said, from MY personal experience, not yours or anyone else's. What part of that don't you understand? Judging from your argumentative response to me, not to mention a few in this thread, I highly doubt your claim. I mean, isn't this your post?

iOS is the best though period.

Indeed. And I will fight anyone that says its not. 😛

viewtopic.php?p=1087247#p1087247

That looks like an invitation to a fight if you ask me. :roll:

I did not start this.

Really? Because it is your post that is the first post in this topic, so yeah, you did start this.

Instead of evangelical iUsers, you can put iPhonefreak. I know what you meant.

And here you are yet again trying to start an argument with me. You took a post that was non-specific, was not EVEN directed at you in the first place, and a post that basically stated that people should just be happy with what they use, instead of judging someone else, and one was not even referring to you and yet, you made it all about you. Understand this, if I were referring to you, then I would have addressed you specifically.. much like, I have throughout this post. So please, stop insinuating things that were never posted to begin with and save your paranoid thoughts for your shrink. They have to endure 12 years of school and accrue insurmountable debt in student loans for that privilege anyway.

Even though I really wasn't addressing you, and you seem to have gotten your feathers ruffled over what was a truly innocuous post, now that I think about it, you are the exact embodiment of the arrogance and narcissism that is commonly displayed by evangelical iUsers. Congratulations. You've proven my points. Thank you. 😎

While I agree all software has bugs, Android has a lot more bugs then iOS. We do pay for the OS's, the price of the phone is the "bundled" price for the whole thing. I know Android is free for grabs, iOS is not and Apple must put effort into developing it.

I know these conversations are not exclusive to FP.

If we gotta have 8 cores on an android device to get it to run smoothly, there is a huge problem. Now, I don't think it will ever utilize all 8 cores at once, ever. Like I said, Windows computers do not even have 8 cores. I can play an intense racing game, listen to Pandora, and download things all at the same time without any lag on my iPhone 5. And, I can hold a FaceTime call, have GPS run in the background (and give me notifications of my turn by turn driving directions), and watch a movie or stream a movie at the same time.

So if someone says Apple sucks, they are starting the argument.

And I did not start this thread, this thread and posts came from another thread that the moderators split off.

I am not trying to start an argument with you, I am just simply defending myself from you.

 

[Brad]

Alright, I say Android due to the fact that its faster than IOS, has a lot more apps, plus people downloading them, but ios7 looks to be coming back 😉

 

[iPhonefreak]

Ay Ay Ay! I disagree with Itsbrads post....all I am saying.

 

[Black Angel]

While I agree all software has bugs, Android has a lot more bugs then iOS.

I've read reports that said otherwise.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomiogeron/ ... data-dive/

And while no software is immune to crashes, it should be noted that iOS had a full year and 2 months ahead of Android to get themselves together, so this means 1 of 2 things.

1. iOS is running out of steam.
2. Android is making incredible progress, considering that it is a year younger than iOS.

Considering that Apple has been stealing features from Android for its O/S, I'd be more inclined to say that it was both.

I know you like iOS, and think that it is the best, and while it is fine to have an opinion, you should understand that it isn't fact. Just check out this video series from someone who is actually an Apple user himself. He has decided to tackle common arguments used by people like you against Android.

[youtube]NMiY1kSTHZw[/youtube]

Part 2:

[youtube]Ayx4XsBaJBI[/youtube]

Part 3: http://youtu.be/fsGQ_xts_Gw
Part 4: http://youtu.be/jlPKVWv1WxU
Part 5: http://youtu.be/q5A4k1bDV0s

Keep in mind that after the first video, he is comparing a Samsung Galaxy S running Froyo 2.2 that was released in 2010, to the new iPad running iOS 5 and it is still better than iOS even though Froyo is now obsolete.

You should read this before you call him a FanDroid..

http://thedroideffect.com/why-you-think ... ike-apple/

We do pay for the OS's, the price of the phone is the "bundled" price for the whole thing.

Wrong again. iOS is based on UNIX, and Mac OS, which has parts of FreeBSD in it and Linux is based on UNIX, and like Linux, it is a free software. It is literally UNIX with some make up and a boob job, which, I am sure Apple pays for, hence the fact that it is proprietary. We pay for the device itself that runs the software, but we do not pay for the software on it. Otherwise, you would have to pay for each upgrade like people have to do with Windows PC's. If you are using Windows 2000, unless you pirated it, you'd have to pay for XP.

To upgrade, all you have to do is plug your device into your PC and upgrade it via iTunes. It doesn't ask you for your credit card info, before you can download the next version of iOS, therefore don't have to pay to upgrade. That said, when you buy any device, whether it is an iDevice, or an Android device, the software is free.

If we gotta have 8 cores on an android device to get it to run smoothly, there is a huge problem.

First off, you've got to change your mindset. No one said that anyone has to have anything. It is a matter of personal choice. It always has been, and it always will be. If you don't need your device to have all of that power, and some people don't, then don't get one. Just get the device you like and stay in your lane. There is no reason to go around condemning anyone else for their choices, especially if no one is condemning you for yours.

That is the major difference that I've seen between iOS and Android users. Which I have aptly pointed out in my previous posts.

Like I said, Windows computers do not even have 8 cores. I can play an intense racing game, listen to Pandora, and download things all at the same time without any lag on my iPhone 5. And, I can hold a FaceTime call, have GPS run in the background (and give me notifications of my turn by turn driving directions), and watch a movie or stream a movie at the same time.

Wrong again. Windows PCs do have 8 cores. My husband, who works in IT as an engineer, uses a PC at work with an i7 processor, which have 8 cores.

For that matter, I am typing this from my laptop which also has an i7 processor and also has 8 cores.

So if someone says Apple sucks, they are starting the argument.

Wrong again. If someone says that Apple sucks, they are expressing an opinion and one that they are entitled to have. You have argued unsuccessfully that iOS devices were more powerful and that only the poor buy Android devices. That is your opinion, not fact, but when someone says that iPhones are not the most powerful and they can back up their claims with fact, much like someone else pointed out that iOS 7 is an obvious rip of Android, then their statements are thus, substantiated and are considered fact.

And I did not start this thread, this thread and posts came from another thread that the moderators split off..

Fair enough, but you did state in your own words that you'd fight anyone who disagreed with your opinion. That is not only starting an argument, that is bullying. So not only did you start this, you also attempted to bully others for having a different opinion than yours. That is just plain wrong.

I am not trying to start an argument with you, I am just simply defending myself from you.

How are you defending yourself when I wasn't attacking you at all? I quoted Bluezone777. I was not even talking to you. I was talking to him. Unless you and he are the same person, which I sincerely doubt, considering the age difference and the fact that he is from Florida and you are from Illinois. The first and only time I referred to you at all in that post, was when I said that I use the device and O/S I prefer, much like anyone else, you included. So, please tell me, how is that an attack worthy of defense?

I think that you read way too much into my post and felt that you were being attacked and that is because you applied my words to you and you reacted accordingly. Probably because you know that somewhere deep down, you are guilty of this behavior and you just didn't like feeling as though you were being called out on it. Otherwise, if it didn't apply to you, then why were you so defensive?

If you don't like feeling this way, then simply change your attitude and behavior toward others on this subject, because until you do, you are guilty.

I've really said way more than I wanted to.. both to you and on this debate, so I won't be replying from this point onward.

BA, the Core i-7 only has 4 cores with 8 threads. Not 8 cores. Slight difference.

VZ, I get what you are saying, I mentioned that to him, but he says that, his pc at work and my laptop have 8 cores, since he upgraded them himself.

I am not sure if it is intel, (he says that it is an i7, but it could be a Xeon like you said) but I know he says that it has 8 cores. He could be mistaken, or myself by calling it an i7 if it is an e7 or something else, but I'm not going to argue with him, as he does this for a living.. 😛

Either way, it is why my laptop will never leave the house lol..

And you are spot on about the S4 having 4 cores.. Only the U.S. variants have 4 cores while the international version has the Exynos 5 Octa core processor.

 

[Justin]

Personally myself, it is hard to compare. Both competitors are both high tech companies - Google and Apple. No denying that. This is a photo finish deal. One is not better than the other exactly. It is user preference really? To me as a basic user (most of the market) I find both phones perform exactly the same. One may allow certain features over another but makes up for it in another category you know what im saying? I've owned my 4S for a good long time, since it came out really and I loved it. But im bored of Apple's interface. Ill try out 7 (since its free ofcourse!) But will most likely be looking for a complete change of scenery 🙂

 

[VirusZero]

Out of curiosity... Iphonefreak, have you ever actually used an Android phone for any amount of time? I haven't read through all 9 pages of the topic so I don't know if it's been mentioned or not. (I don't mean like you played with an Android phone for 10 minutes at a friend's house. Or that you asked a friend what it was like. I mean that YOU used one for like a month or better on a consistent basis.) Because if you haven't actually used one then whatever basis you're using to claim Android is glitchier is already off to a shaky start.

One thing to consider about devices though is that an individual device might be better or worse than another of even the same make/model. (So one iphone 4 might be glitchy as all heck while another works great. And the same can happen for any android device too. ) Which can lead to colouring of perceptions even though in general that once series of device might actually be good (you just got the one badly made one).


In terms of the Galaxy S4. The prominent version doesn't have 8 cores, it only has 4 cores. (There is an 8 core version... but it isn't nearly as widespread. The octa-core cpu looks like it's headed more for the Note 3 than the S4.)
And of course Android doesn't need all 3 (or 7 for the octa core version) other cores to function. It could function on a single core easily. Those others just add more processing power for intensive apps like games that may come out down the road.

Though I sort of could see one day, far in the future, where having 8 cores might be needed to run the OS. But by the time that comes our CPUs will be like 256 cores. So the fact it uses 8 (or even 32) will be negligible because we'd have over 200 still untapped and waiting.

Also, Windows-based PCs do have 8 cores. AMD has an 8 core line.
And if you want to get really powerful, AMD has a 16 core line now too.
BA, the Core i-7 only has 4 cores with 8 threads. Not 8 cores. Slight difference. (Intel's Xeon series has 8+ cores depending on make... But the i-7 doesn't.)


Also, it's funny how you say iOS7 looks to be coming back given the fact it's pulling a lot of it's new ideas right from Android.

 

[Sam]

Also, it's funny how you say iOS7 looks to be coming back given the fact it's pulling a lot of it's new ideas right from Android.

That was a great video! 🙂

 

[Luke]

Also, it's funny how you say iOS7 looks to be coming back given the fact it's pulling a lot of it's new ideas right from Android.

That was a great video, thanks for linking to it.

By the way iPhonefreak, Android is about to hit 1 billion activated devices and is getting 1.5 million every day. Android is doing really well.

 

[Justin]

In all fairness..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKyJjh37v6Q

 

[iPhonefreak]

Out of curiosity... Iphonefreak, have you ever actually used an Android phone for any amount of time? I haven't read through all 9 pages of the topic so I don't know if it's been mentioned or not. (I don't mean like you played with an Android phone for 10 minutes at a friend's house. Or that you asked a friend what it was like. I mean that YOU used one for like a month or better on a consistent basis.) Because if you haven't actually used one then whatever basis you're using to claim Android is glitchier is already off to a shaky start.

One thing to consider about devices though is that an individual device might be better or worse than another of even the same make/model. (So one iphone 4 might be glitchy as all heck while another works great. And the same can happen for any android device too. ) Which can lead to colouring of perceptions even though in general that once series of device might actually be good (you just got the one badly made one).


In terms of the Galaxy S4. The prominent version doesn't have 8 cores, it only has 4 cores. (There is an 8 core version... but it isn't nearly as widespread. The octa-core cpu looks like it's headed more for the Note 3 than the S4.)
And of course Android doesn't need all 3 (or 7 for the octa core version) other cores to function. It could function on a single core easily. Those others just add more processing power for intensive apps like games that may come out down the road.

Though I sort of could see one day, far in the future, where having 8 cores might be needed to run the OS. But by the time that comes our CPUs will be like 256 cores. So the fact it uses 8 (or even 32) will be negligible because we'd have over 200 still untapped and waiting.

Also, Windows-based PCs do have 8 cores. AMD has an 8 core line.
And if you want to get really powerful, AMD has a 16 core line now too.
BA, the Core i-7 only has 4 cores with 8 threads. Not 8 cores. Slight difference. (Intel's Xeon series has 8+ cores depending on make... But the i-7 doesn't.)


Also, it's funny how you say iOS7 looks to be coming back given the fact it's pulling a lot of it's new ideas right from Android.

Ill reply to the rest later.

No I've have never used an android for a long time. I have no need to waste my time With it.

I'm well aware Window PC's have 8 core and even 12 and more. But my point was a good windows computer can run excellent on dual core.

-- Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:34 am --

Also, it's funny how you say iOS7 looks to be coming back given the fact it's pulling a lot of it's new ideas right from Android.

That was a great video, thanks for linking to it.

By the way iPhonefreak, Android is about to hit 1 billion activated devices and is getting 1.5 million every day. Android is doing really well.

Congrats for them. They are competing against 15 vs hundreds of devices.

 

[R44]

Is this thread still going? I've been MIA for a week and it's still going?

I'm well aware Window PC's have 8 core and even 12 and more. But my point was a good windows computer can run excellent on dual core.

Ahh no. It would need to be a server distro to do it.

Congrats for them. They are competing against 15 vs hundreds of devices.

...

 

[VirusZero]

You haven't used it in a long time... So why then are you so set against it? You haven't even used it in so long that your former opinion probably isn't even relevant anymore. (It'd be like someone using iOS1 and declaring all iOS are crap despite there being 6 more iterations and changes.)

I know what it is... You're secretly jealous of Android based phones aren't you? They have all these slick looking new phones and you really want them but you're conflicted because you want to remain loyal to apple. So you're repressing your interest in other phones and it's manifesting as anti-android anger.

As for your exact wording? Which as a reminder was:

Windows computers do not even have 8 cores

You stated Windows PCs didn't have 8 core processors. Not that they could run well on dual core. If you had intended to state the latter you would have stated that first/up front and not twisted things after it was proved there are indeed 8 core processors. Nice try though.

 

[mav3n]

If we gotta have 8 cores on an android device to get it to run smoothly, there is a huge problem.

This is the ultimate show of ignorance. Don't say such a thing until you really know all of the details.

Without going into much detail about both, at no time, at least in the octa core, are you actually using all 8 cores. Either you are using 4 A15 cores which are clocked at 1.6GHz, or you are using the 4 A7 cores, which are rated a lot lower, at 1.2GHz. Which is used for CPU hungry apps, which would use the A15 cores, the back down to the A7s.

Now, here is my words to you IPF.

iPhoneFreak, I applaud you for being so tenacious. From someone that not only works in the wireless field(I am mobility certified), but also uses both an Android device and my own personal iPad, I have to say your points that you are coming up with about both Apple and Android are just plain appalling. With saying you haven't used Android in quite some time, where are you coming up with these statements to counteract what other people are saying? What it sounds like to me is you are taking what other people are saying about Android, not just on FP, but in general, and transposing them into your own words to make Android sound inferior without having any direct connection with Android and your OWN thoughts. Now, I am not saying you don't know anything about Android, because some parts of me say that you do in fact know somethings about it. However, you are constantly throwing ignorant statements out there and you are in fact making yourself look, well childish and uneducated on the subject matter at hand.

Something that you seem to do a lot in this thread is point out things about Android, like the bugs, apps, things of that nature, but you have NO sources to backup your statements. You see, when you do this, you are making yourself less credible, which people here in this thread are picking up on and they are just tearing you up because of it. Maybe if you were to rebuttal with some REAL facts, we could have a civilized debate here. However, we have you replying back with made up points to make Apple look better, and we end up having a game of cat and mouse.

So do all of us a favor, quit making yourself look like a complete fool and actually carry on a debate with backed up statements and quit being so closed minded. Yes, I prefer my iPad over my phone for certain things, yet I would never own a MacBook. However, I see the pros and cons of both and I appreciate what both companies have and what they are doing in their own little way. However, you are being so naive, and just locking your thoughts on Apple and not seeing things from the other persons POV, which renders this debate useless until you actually open up to real life and realize that there are other software and not just iOS.

I am not making any personal threats to you IPF, but you having nothing to back up your rebuttals other than your petty thoughts, or opinions. Find real facts, and let's carry on.

#rant

 

[iPhonefreak]

If we gotta have 8 cores on an android device to get it to run smoothly, there is a huge problem.

This is the ultimate show of ignorance. Don't say such a thing until you really know all of the details.

Without going into much detail about both, at no time, at least in the octa core, are you actually using all 8 cores. Either you are using 4 A15 cores which are clocked at 1.6GHz, or you are using the 4 A7 cores, which are rated a lot lower, at 1.2GHz. Which is used for CPU hungry apps, which would use the A15 cores, the back down to the A7s.

Now, here is my words to you IPF.

iPhoneFreak, I applaud you for being so tenacious. From someone that not only works in the wireless field(I am mobility certified), but also uses both an Android device and my own personal iPad, I have to say your points that you are coming up with about both Apple and Android are just plain appalling. With saying you haven't used Android in quite some time, where are you coming up with these statements to counteract what other people are saying? What it sounds like to me is you are taking what other people are saying about Android, not just on FP, but in general, and transposing them into your own words to make Android sound inferior without having any direct connection with Android and your OWN thoughts. Now, I am not saying you don't know anything about Android, because some parts of me say that you do in fact know somethings about it. However, you are constantly throwing ignorant statements out there and you are in fact making yourself look, well childish and uneducated on the subject matter at hand.

Something that you seem to do a lot in this thread is point out things about Android, like the bugs, apps, things of that nature, but you have NO sources to backup your statements. You see, when you do this, you are making yourself less credible, which people here in this thread are picking up on and they are just tearing you up because of it. Maybe if you were to rebuttal with some REAL facts, we could have a civilized debate here. However, we have you replying back with made up points to make Apple look better, and we end up having a game of cat and mouse.

So do all of us a favor, quit making yourself look like a complete fool and actually carry on a debate with backed up statements and quit being so closed minded. Yes, I prefer my iPad over my phone for certain things, yet I would never own a MacBook. However, I see the pros and cons of both and I appreciate what both companies have and what they are doing in their own little way. However, you are being so naive, and just locking your thoughts on Apple and not seeing things from the other persons POV, which renders this debate useless until you actually open up to real life and realize that there are other software and not just iOS.

I am not making any personal threats to you IPF, but you having nothing to back up your rebuttals other than your petty thoughts, or opinions. Find real facts, and let's carry on.

#rant

http://readwrite.com/2013/01/30/the-dat ... YKBrUNaYvG
http://www.gomonews.com/android-apps-ar ... ys-pradeo/

I can backup everything I have said in this thread. If it wasn't for the internet, I would not know any of this. If anyone wants anything backed up, let me know. I am not replying with made up stuff.

I am coming up with this stuff from articles online. I do not think I am making myself look childish and uneducated, as I can back up my statements. I will do as I please, whether if you think I am making myself look like a fool, and I can do whatever I want on regards to being open/closed minded. Perhaps you should read some more on the internet.

-- Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:49 am --

You haven't used it in a long time... So why then are you so set against it? You haven't even used it in so long that your former opinion probably isn't even relevant anymore. (It'd be like someone using iOS1 and declaring all iOS are crap despite there being 6 more iterations and changes.)

I know what it is... You're secretly jealous of Android based phones aren't you? They have all these slick looking new phones and you really want them but you're conflicted because you want to remain loyal to apple. So you're repressing your interest in other phones and it's manifesting as anti-android anger.

As for your exact wording? Which as a reminder was:

Windows computers do not even have 8 cores

You stated Windows PCs didn't have 8 core processors. Not that they could run well on dual core. If you had intended to state the latter you would have stated that first/up front and not twisted things after it was proved there are indeed 8 core processors. Nice try though.

I used it a week or 2 ago at best buy and it was the S4.

Why would I be jealous of Android? Slick looking phones, ok, but then Apple must have phones created by the gods themselves.

It is not standard for Window computers to have 8 core. I know damn well Windows computers has 8 core processors, and even more.<br /><br />-- Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:13 am --<br /><br />

While I agree all software has bugs, Android has a lot more bugs then iOS.

I've read reports that said otherwise.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomiogeron/ ... data-dive/

And while no software is immune to crashes, it should be noted that iOS had a full year and 2 months ahead of Android to get themselves together, so this means 1 of 2 things.

1. iOS is running out of steam.
2. Android is making incredible progress, considering that it is a year younger than iOS.

Considering that Apple has been stealing features from Android for its O/S, I'd be more inclined to say that it was both.

I know you like iOS, and think that it is the best, and while it is fine to have an opinion, you should understand that it isn't fact. Just check out this video series from someone who is actually an Apple user himself. He has decided to tackle common arguments used by people like you against Android.

[youtube]NMiY1kSTHZw[/youtube]

Part 2:

[youtube]Ayx4XsBaJBI[/youtube]

Part 3: http://youtu.be/fsGQ_xts_Gw
Part 4: http://youtu.be/jlPKVWv1WxU
Part 5: http://youtu.be/q5A4k1bDV0s

Keep in mind that after the first video, he is comparing a Samsung Galaxy S running Froyo 2.2 that was released in 2010, to the new iPad running iOS 5 and it is still better than iOS even though Froyo is now obsolete.

You should read this before you call him a FanDroid..

http://thedroideffect.com/why-you-think ... ike-apple/

We do pay for the OS's, the price of the phone is the "bundled" price for the whole thing.

Wrong again. iOS is based on UNIX, and Mac OS, which has parts of FreeBSD in it and Linux is based on UNIX, and like Linux, it is a free software. It is literally UNIX with some make up and a boob job, which, I am sure Apple pays for, hence the fact that it is proprietary. We pay for the device itself that runs the software, but we do not pay for the software on it. Otherwise, you would have to pay for each upgrade like people have to do with Windows PC's. If you are using Windows 2000, unless you pirated it, you'd have to pay for XP.

To upgrade, all you have to do is plug your device into your PC and upgrade it via iTunes. It doesn't ask you for your credit card info, before you can download the next version of iOS, therefore don't have to pay to upgrade. That said, when you buy any device, whether it is an iDevice, or an Android device, the software is free.

If we gotta have 8 cores on an android device to get it to run smoothly, there is a huge problem.

First off, you've got to change your mindset. No one said that anyone has to have anything. It is a matter of personal choice. It always has been, and it always will be. If you don't need your device to have all of that power, and some people don't, then don't get one. Just get the device you like and stay in your lane. There is no reason to go around condemning anyone else for their choices, especially if no one is condemning you for yours.

That is the major difference that I've seen between iOS and Android users. Which I have aptly pointed out in my previous posts.

Like I said, Windows computers do not even have 8 cores. I can play an intense racing game, listen to Pandora, and download things all at the same time without any lag on my iPhone 5. And, I can hold a FaceTime call, have GPS run in the background (and give me notifications of my turn by turn driving directions), and watch a movie or stream a movie at the same time.

Wrong again. Windows PCs do have 8 cores. My husband, who works in IT as an engineer, uses a PC at work with an i7 processor, which have 8 cores.

For that matter, I am typing this from my laptop which also has an i7 processor and also has 8 cores.

So if someone says Apple sucks, they are starting the argument.

Wrong again. If someone says that Apple sucks, they are expressing an opinion and one that they are entitled to have. You have argued unsuccessfully that iOS devices were more powerful and that only the poor buy Android devices. That is your opinion, not fact, but when someone says that iPhones are not the most powerful and they can back up their claims with fact, much like someone else pointed out that iOS 7 is an obvious rip of Android, then their statements are thus, substantiated and are considered fact.

And I did not start this thread, this thread and posts came from another thread that the moderators split off..

Fair enough, but you did state in your own words that you'd fight anyone who disagreed with your opinion. That is not only starting an argument, that is bullying. So not only did you start this, you also attempted to bully others for having a different opinion than yours. That is just plain wrong.

I am not trying to start an argument with you, I am just simply defending myself from you.

How are you defending yourself when I wasn't attacking you at all? I quoted Bluezone777. I was not even talking to you. I was talking to him. Unless you and he are the same person, which I sincerely doubt, considering the age difference and the fact that he is from Florida and you are from Illinois. The first and only time I referred to you at all in that post, was when I said that I use the device and O/S I prefer, much like anyone else, you included. So, please tell me, how is that an attack worthy of defense?

I think that you read way too much into my post and felt that you were being attacked and that is because you applied my words to you and you reacted accordingly. Probably because you know that somewhere deep down, you are guilty of this behavior and you just didn't like feeling as though you were being called out on it. Otherwise, if it didn't apply to you, then why were you so defensive?

If you don't like feeling this way, then simply change your attitude and behavior toward others on this subject, because until you do, you are guilty.

I've really said way more than I wanted to.. both to you and on this debate, so I won't be replying from this point onward.

BA, the Core i-7 only has 4 cores with 8 threads. Not 8 cores. Slight difference.

VZ, I get what you are saying, I mentioned that to him, but he says that, his pc at work and my laptop have 8 cores, since he upgraded them himself.

I am not sure if it is intel, (he says that it is an i7, but it could be a Xeon like you said) but I know he says that it has 8 cores. He could be mistaken, or myself by calling it an i7 if it is an e7 or something else, but I'm not going to argue with him, as he does this for a living.. 😛

Either way, it is why my laptop will never leave the house lol..

And you are spot on about the S4 having 4 cores.. Only the U.S. variants have 4 cores while the international version has the Exynos 5 Octa core processor.

Sometimes apps crash due to bad coding on the devlopers part.

We pay for the software and hardware of the device. No ifs, ands, or butts about it. Apple has to pay (like you said) for the UNIX with the makeup. But, once we buy the device it is all free. Oh, and BTW- You can upgrade via Over the Air, not iTunes.

I do not have to change my mindset. Nice try! What power, are you exactly talking about? I've seen no power.

Yes, I do know Windows Computers have 8 cores. But are they standard and if you just have a quad core, your computer will be slow? No.

What I've seen with you is, if I say something, its opinion, but if someone else says something. "If someone states iOS 7 is a rip off Android, then it is considered a fact." The iPhone runs just as fast as an S4.

So our men and women FIGHTING overseas is just plain wrong and bullying? That's what your implying with your statement. Oh, and because your milking that post I made, a "😛" is an implication of someone is joking, or messing around.

 

[jdab]

This really needs closing, this is no longer/never has been a debate.

 

[Bluezone777]

This really needs closing, this is no longer/never has been a debate.

On the contrary, this is a debate. What isn't a debate is everyone agreeing with everyone else. I don't see any of that here so it looks like a debate to me even a rather popular one that isn't about the usual topics people tend to debate about. Just because it appears that neither side is changing their mind on anything doesn't mean it stopped being a debate or never was one.

 

[Justin]

This really needs closing, this is no longer/never has been a debate.

Not necessary. This is a debate, anyone can chime in at anytime. There is no definite yes or no. So please keep your posts on topic 🙂