weed/marijuana and your views?

[Jonathan]

As above, evidence I've seen strongly suggests weed is less harmful than tobacco

 

[MissTake]

I certainly can link ..........

http://smoking.ygoy.com/effects-of-mari ... al-health/

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/evidence99 ... lth_1.html

http://www.nida.nih.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html

http://www.well.com/user/woa/fspot.htm

There are lots of sites if you wish to Google it 😉

 

[Jonathan]

None of those sites really say cannabis is worse than tobacco. I was discussing this with someone else once and he's done a lot of research into it - he said that most of these people in these studies are on all kinds of other drugs.

Wikipedia: A major 2006 study compared the effects of tobacco and Cannabis smoke on the lungs.[19][20] The outcome of the study showed that even very heavy cannabis smokers "do not appear to be at increased risk of developing lung cancer,"[20] while the same study showed a twenty-fold increase in lung cancer risk for tobacco smokers who smoked two or more packs of tobacco cigarettes a day.[19][20] It is known that Cannabis smoke, like all smoke, contains carcinogens and thus has a probability of triggering lung cancer, but THC, unlike nicotine, is thought to "encourage aging cells to die earlier and therefore be less likely to undergo cancerous transformation."[20] Cannabidiol (CBD), an isomer of THC and another major cannabinoid that also grows on cannabis, has been reported elsewhere to have anti-tumor properties as well. However, in other studies, some cellular abnormalities were documented, indicating that a possible increase in lung cancer risk in very heavy users cannot be completely ruled out.[21]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_s ... ancer_risk

 

[katy perry is hot]

Misstake, all those links show is that Marijuana is not healthy for you. None of them say that smoking cigarettes is not as bad for you or less healthy. I don't think anyone in this topic is arguing that Marijuana is a healthy drug that should be taken every morning with your frosted flakes. I'm arguing that the government has no right to tell me that I can't smoke a natural plant.

 

[MissTake]

Taken from the last link....

Marijuana smoke has been found to contain more cancer-causing agents than is found in tobacco smoke.

taken from link 3.....

Marijuana is usually smoked as a cigarette (joint) or in a pipe. It is also smoked in blunts, which are cigars that have been emptied of tobacco and refilled with marijuana. Since the blunt retains the tobacco leaf used to wrap the cigar, this mode of delivery combines marijuana's active ingredients with nicotine and other harmful chemicals.

As the above states you are combining the use of tobacco with weed, doubling up the potential for harm.

Taken from link 2......

Marijuana has often been touted as one of the safest recreational substances available. This is perhaps true; many reputable scientific studies support the conclusion that cocaine, heroine, alcohol, and even cigarettes are more dangerous to the user health than marijuana. Though there are many more studies to be done on this issue, current data shows that the answer to this question may not always be "yes."

And the very first line of link one.....

Many people see marijuana as a harmless substance and think as a better substitute to other forms of smoking. But, studies show that the potential chemical THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol), present in marijuana adversely affects human brain and mental health.

Tobacco does not?


Irviding, I'd agree neither is healthy...........(at this point I hold my hands up and confess - I am a smoker of tobacco)......but would you want Heroin legalised too as that is a derivative of the poppy plant?

 

[katy perry is hot]

Key word is derived. There are plenty of chemicals and other things added into it to make it heroin. I know it's from acetic compounds and you can mix the plant with acetic vinegar or acetic something else, I just don't remember it off the top of my head.

What I mean is it's not just some natural plant you can grow in your back yard. I can go and start smoking my tomatoes outside, so why can't I smoke my marijuana outside if I choose to grow it? That's what I'm saying.

Like I said, I know it has THC in it. We all have taken health class here. I still don't think that justifies the government telling me I can't smoke a plant.

Also, your links are interesting. However, like link 2 says, many studies back up what we all have been saying. It's not like people who smoke marijuana frequently die. Look at the Netherlands, if pot were really that bad for you, the whole country would be dead.

 

[Cosmic]

Stop all that crap about it being natural. Natural things are no different from non-natural things when it comes to how dangerous there are. Try ingesting oil or acid and you'll know what I mean.

 

[Gimgak]

Well then cosmic I suggest you stop taking in anything natural and train yourself to live off plastic.

 

[Cosmic]

The difference is utterly irrelevant when it comes to consumption. Either can kill you or be perfectly fine.

 

[katy perry is hot]

The difference is utterly irrelevant when it comes to consumption. Either can kill you or be perfectly fine.

i'll make that decision. I don't need you or some guy in washington doing it for me.

 

[Cosmic]

The difference is utterly irrelevant when it comes to consumption. Either can kill you or be perfectly fine.

i'll make that decision. I don't need you or some guy in washington doing it for me.

way to avoid the question. I don';t care what you think, but you are telling me that your usage of a drug is justified because it is what you call natural. you can believe that, but that doesn't give you some golden ticket which makes you automatically right. You are free to have your own opinion without fact in what you do, but in a debate it's pointless to claim that something is "natural", so therefore is utterly healthy. That is pseudo-science.

 

[katy perry is hot]

The difference is utterly irrelevant when it comes to consumption. Either can kill you or be perfectly fine.

i'll make that decision. I don't need you or some guy in washington doing it for me.

way to avoid the question. I don';t care what you think, but you are telling me that your usage of a drug is justified because it is what you call natural. you can believe that, but that doesn't give you some golden ticket which makes you automatically right. You are free to have your own opinion without fact in what you do, but in a debate it's pointless to claim that something is "natural", so therefore is utterly healthy. That is pseudo-science.

When did I say that? When did I say all natural things are healthy????? Please quote me on that..

 

[NBK*Twitch]

I certainly can link ..........

http://smoking.ygoy.com/effects-of-mari ... al-health/

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/evidence99 ... lth_1.html

http://www.nida.nih.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html

http://www.well.com/user/woa/fspot.htm

There are lots of sites if you wish to Google it 😉

You might wanna look at my argument I had on your post way back? OH and in no way can weed harm your ability to learn.. Without weed I could not study at all .

Might I add almost all of those sites are bais? Why not look at some true honest un bais links 🙂.

-- 12 Sep 2010, 15:14 --

The difference is utterly irrelevant when it comes to consumption. Either can kill you or be perfectly fine.

Incorrect pot itself has never been linked to a death. Oh and @miss again weed does not have any tabbaco in it at all. It would be man made if it did... The tabbaco in joints is because people use a cigarette paper for the joint,instead of buying unused rolling paper.

 

[Gimgak]

Yeah, no one will argue that a joint or a blunt is a healthy way to smoke. Bongs are the way to go, and if you're rich then vaporizers.

 

[NBK*Twitch]

Yeah, no one will argue that a joint or a blunt is a healthy way to smoke. Bongs are the way to go, and if you're rich then vaporizers.

Don't forget bowls and bullets... :great:

 

[Gimgak]

One more question to those who support keeping marijuana illegal; did you support government programs like straight inc. that murdered, kidnapped, and physically abused teens suspected of drug use? After all, the foundation for a drug free america are basically the same people who caused so many suicides in their clinics.

 

[MissTake]

Gimak, I'm from the UK so don't know about that program or it's effects? 😕

Most people I know smoke it as a joint made with hand rolling papers and tobacco.......

This is the point at which I drop out of the conversation, as already stated I have seen first hand what smoking it can do and until you or someone you know encounters the down side then I really don't think my opinions count for much? 🙁

 

[Jonathan]

Andi, when you're smoking weed you're a lot more in control than when you're drinking alcohol.

 

[katy perry is hot]

Gimak, I'm from the UK so don't know about that program or it's effects? 😕

Most people I know smoke it as a joint made with hand rolling papers and tobacco.......

This is the point at which I drop out of the conversation, as already stated I have seen first hand what smoking it can do and until you or someone you know encounters the down side then I really don't think my opinions count for much? 🙁

So what though? It can do those things to you, but it's that person's decision. Not the government's.

 

[Zenrer]

Really it should be legal to those over 18, but in saying that its really the responsibility of the user. If they do go overboard and kill themselves, so what, its their problem, they made the choice to harm themselves.